Jesus and Commands

[bbyrd009]

Does it all really matter? He seeks those who will worship Him in spirit and truth. There is no law against this.

i dunno,
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God.

On the venerable Day of the sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.

looks like two competing laws to me, and one simply cannot practice both imo.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

well you can read the law yourself lol, i didn't make it up :)

I know the Old Covenant law, as well as you. But, Sunday was the sign of the old covenant, and done away with with a New Covenant and a NEW SIGN.

Exodus 34:28 - the Covenant - The Ten Commandments
Exodus 31:13 - the Sign - the Sabbath, placed inside the Ten Commandments.

 

[bbyrd009]

Did Constantine pick Sunday out of the air because of sun worshiping? Baloney.

ok then
have a good one

 

[1stCenturyLady]

ooks like two competing laws to me, and one simply cannot practice both imo.

Yes, you are right. So if you keep the Sabbath, you've fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4

So which is it? Worshiping the Sabbath you've made an idol? Or worshiping Jesus in Spirit and in truth?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

ok then
have a good one

Hope you come out of the fog soon. "But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart."

 

[bbyrd009]

What is your source?

um, the horse's mouth here, pretty much

"Close on the heels of the Edict of Constantine followed the Catholic Church Council of Laodicea (circa 364 AD):

Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday (Sabbath), but shall work on that Day: but the Lord’s Day, they shall especially honour; and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ."

 

[bbyrd009]

Hope you come out of the fog soon. "But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart."

ok ty. You do realize Moses wrote the Sabbath Commandment right lol

 

[1stCenturyLady]

well, they were contemporaries, Dio was Connie's boss

Two emperors do not coincide and reign together as contemporaries, silly. Are you just making stuff up?

Diocletian (284 AD to 304 AD)

Constantine (306 AD to 312 AD

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday (Sabbath), but shall work on that Day: but the Lord’s Day, they shall especially honour; and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ."

Pretty much as Paul said to the Galatians against Judaizers.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

ok ty. You do realize Moses wrote the Sabbath Commandment right lol

Exactly. And when Moses is read, the people are partially blinded. That is why you can't understand what we're saying - you're in a fog.

 

[bbyrd009]

ah, so it's "we" now, ok, got it

Two emperors do not coincide and reign together as contemporaries, silly. Are you just making stuff up?

Diocletian (284 AD to 304 AD)

Constantine (306 AD to 312 AD

ha, literal much? 304-306 is pretty contemporary i guess
i didn't state it ezackly correct, but that's bc it's more complicated than that
but hey 20 minutes ago you didn't even know what Constantine's Edict was
so bam you tell me lol
the sub-emperor Constantine operated under the edicts and inherited the world left to him by the emperor Diocletian, if you like
and i guess Diocletian maybe killed more too, yes

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The fog in here is like pea soup - I'm taking a break from it all.

 

[bbyrd009]

best of luck ok.

Yes, you are right. So if you keep the Sabbath, you've fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4

So which is it? Worshiping the Sabbath you've made an idol? Or worshiping Jesus in Spirit and in truth?

ah, keeping the law is against grace now, ok
sounds familiar enough i guess
i notice that applies to me keeping Sabbath, presumably
but not those who keep Sunday, right

 

[bbyrd009]

Pretty much as Paul said to the Galatians against Judaizers.

12For he regularly ate with the Gentiles before certain men came from James. However, when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, because he feared those from the circumcision party.

i doubt it personally,
and besides i never said that observing the Sabbath would justify anyone anyway
break all the laws that you want i guess, ok with me

 

[stunnedbygrace]

best of luck ok. when that fog follows you around don't be too surprised though ok

ah, keeping the law is against grace now, ok
sounds familiar enough i guess

Have you seen bitter feuds in church? I have. One lady got up and announced how furious she was at another woman because her sick friend wasn't sent flowers. The other woman jumped up and harshly defended the decision. It got real ugly. Were either of them keeping the Sabbath rest because they went to church on sunday, or were they murdering each other?

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, Flabbergast. It's the most accurate word here.

I see a new topic coming up... good luck with that.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

12For he regularly ate with the Gentiles before certain men came from James. However, when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, because he feared those from the circumcision party.

i doubt it personally,
and besides i never said that observing the Sabbath would justify anyone anyway
break all the laws that you want i guess, ok with me

if the inside of the cup is clean, the outside just will be as well.

 

[bbyrd009]

Have you seen bitter feuds in church? I have. One lady got up and announced how furious she was at another woman because her sick friend wasn't sent flowers. The other woman jumped up and harshly defended the decision. It got real ugly. Were either of them keeping the Sabbath rest because they went to church on sunday, or were they murdering each other?

well hopefully i have not made any assertions of truth here lol
imo they both reaped what they sowed prolly

 

[BobRyan]

Did Constantine pick Sunday out of the air because of sun worshiping? Baloney.

Justin Martyr describes Christian worship (c.150 AD)
And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. .

1. I prefer the actual Bible.
2. Acts 20 -- details matter.

29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. 31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for a period of three years I did not cease to admonish each one with tears.

No wonder some folks prefer to set the Bible aside and stick with a few names that came along long after Paul -- and who promoted false doctrines

 

[BobRyan]

Sunday has always been observed in Christianity.

Your "quote of you" noted.

I prefer the Bible.

To each his own.