youd be surprised
And yet you do it anyway, you could just remove your brain than you would no longer sin, because you wont think, no thoughts noto sin. Simple.
Jesus and Commands
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Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
What does that have to do with God keeping the law or the law being above God?
Stranger
I just got an email regarding this discussion and it seems to me that the issue is with the translation of the Greek words with the Greek root G:2537 which is associated with a number of reference to Covenant, Commandant, testament etc.
If we look at the meaning of G:2537 its meaning is associated with making something fresh again, or like new again.
If this is the meaning we should consider for Greek words with the Greek root G:2537 embedded within them, then When Jesus spoke about the Law, he was making it like new again for his audience.
Sine he was making the Law like new again, He did not annul any of the Law with respect to God's covenant with all of Mankind.
Shalom
If we look at the meaning of G:2537 its meaning is associated with making something fresh again, or like new again.
If this is the meaning we should consider for Greek words with the Greek root G:2537 embedded within them, then When Jesus spoke about the Law, he was making it like new again for his audience.
Sine he was making the Law like new again, He did not annul any of the Law with respect to God's covenant with all of Mankind.
Shalom
dataylor
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Indeed. That seems to be the common approach today: listen to every spiritual voice you can find, except that of our Lord and Savior.
How do I answer a question I don't understand?
How does God keep the law?
HE MADE THE LAW.
The law did not make Him.
He keeps the law in the sense that God is a just God and He makes no mistakes regarding morality. In this sense He keeps the law.
But He came BEFORE the law...
He IS the law.
Do you keep to being human?
Of course you're right.
I often ask what "believe" means in the greek, but I never get a reply because it doesn't suit some posters who believe they only have to believe with thier mind or heart, but not with their will. Believing in Jesus also means to will to do as He commanded.
Also, I don't know Hebrew or Koine Greek. I wish I did. But, in the end, it doesn't really matter. The bible seems to me to be very clear in what it teaches.
It's just that some do not like what it teaches.
I agree with all you've said.
What I'm not sure about is this:
Do we ASK our children to follow our rules
or do we DEMAND that they follow our rules?
dataylor
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The Ten Commandments were the "covenant" God made with Israel. God does not call Christians to obey the commandments of the Old Covenant. Instead, God asks Christians to obey His Royal Law of love, which is infinitely higher than any set of commandments etched in stone.
Jesus did state some new laws.
Every time He declared "You have heard it said.... But I say to you"
this is a change in the understanding of the O.T. law.
This is what it means that Jesus came to fulfill -- to make more perfect.
Otherwise He repeated many verses from the O.T.
I understand the beatitudes to be a teaching on how Jesus would want us to behave. Because if we behave that way we will be blessed (happy). And IF we behave that way, there will be a reward.
We are rewarded for following God, and when we don't we always end up paying. (reward vs curse).
So I would say that the beatitudes are a law:
Know that you need God.
Understand that we live in a fallen world.
Be gentle.
Be righteous in your dealings with others.
Be merciful to all. Practice your love.
Be pure in heart so you can hear God.
Make peace, not war.
Do not deny God.
JESUS at the CROSS ................Changed a lot !!!!!!!!
????????????? Why did JESUS suffer so much ??????????????? TO help us Gentiles!!!!!!!!
????????????? Why did JESUS suffer so much ??????????????? TO help us Gentiles!!!!!!!!
Then you're going to have to stop saying things like this in post no. 69 which was to me:
And you are perfect because you did what?? We are perfected by Him and what He has done, it is not our doing, and it is why so many wont be ready for the wedding, as they wont have the garment he has given us to put on in preparation.
I never said I was perfect. You shouldn't put words in my mouth.
You claim many won't be ready for the wedding because they don't have the proper garment on. You don't know who has the proper garment and who doesn't so you shouldn't speak and act as if you do.
Only God knows who will be attending the wedding.
Does a new covenant nullify an old one?
Is so, which one?
(clue:none)
Also, you explained above the difference between the old and new covenant. LOVE. LAWS BEING WRITTEN ON THE HEART.
Does that sound to you like the o.c. and the laws of God have been nullified, or does it sound to you like a NEW WAY to keep them?
My point is this. As you say, God made the law. It didn't make Him. The law is not over God. He does not keep the law. He simply acts as God. The law is a very small reflection of God with do's and don'ts given to man.
When you or I are born-again, we receive the very Spirit of God. Do we not? Just as God is not under law, neither are we under law. We operate by the Spirit. The natural leading of the Spirit will always lead us to the ways of holiness and righteousness in Him. It will never lead us in a direction of sinning against God.
So, when I say I am not required to keep the law, I am not saying I am now going to sin as much as I can because I am not under law. I am saying my mode of walk with God is no longer by law/obedience. It is now a walk by the Spirit/obedience. Which reveals all sorts of sins in me that the law doesn't even address at times.
I have listened to pastors for years who place such a heavy burden on the church in keeping the commandments. And though they have several reasons for doing this I'm sure, I think one of them is that they are afraid to trust their people in walking in the Spirit. They are afraid that their people are going to wind up sinning as much as they can which in turn makes them look bad. Is not this what Paul meant in (Gal. 6:13) "...that they may glory in your flesh."
Stranger
Well said.
Why would God, who created the law for our benefit, decide to abolish it???
He only changed the METHOD by which it could be kept.
Seems easy enough to understand.
Written on stone it could not be kept.
Written on the heart it could be kept.
Ezekiel 36:26
Jeremiah 31:33
dataylor
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The Ten Commands were the actual Old Covenant (that's scriptural) -- a covenant made between God and unconverted, carnal human beings. God lives by His Royal Law of love, which cannot be defined with words -- and He asks Christians to do the same. However many Christians say, "But the Ten Commandments are so much easier!"
Eph. 2:
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That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
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For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
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Not of works, lest any man should boast.
I agree with you so much that I find it difficult to know where we disagree.
I agree with all you've said.
I'd say that sometimes I feel like I'm sinning for doing something that is not even listed anywhere. What is sin to one person may not be to another person. I might feel it's a sin to bother someone about something and so refrain from doing so, when someone else would have no problem with the exact same situation.
So, yes we walk by the spirit. I don't stop and check a list every time I have to decide something.
I think my problem is when you say we are not under the law.
I agree that we are not UNDER THE LAW. We are not following a list of laws but are following the love we feel for God, ourselves and others.
Maybe my fear is that new Christians could understand this to mean that the law has been abolished -- which I fear is what YOU are saying.
The law is still present. It is still useful and to be followed.
If murder was a sin before the cross, it's still a sin today. If coveting was a sin before the cross, it's still a sin today to covet what others might have. What has changed is that God has given us the power to not covet or to covet less through having the spirit of God, as you said, or some understand this as having the Holy Spirit helping us along. Same thing.
Could we say that we are not operating under the law but that does not mean that the law has been abolished? The laws of God have not been abolished - we still keep them. But we're operating under a different system.
Could you use the "reply" button so we know who should reply to you?
I think this was to me...
I agree! Folllowing the 10 commandments IS easier.
We, as Christians are required to go even further. Just as Jesus commanded in Mathew 5. If I hate my brother, I've already killed him.
OK. But this does not abolish the 10 commandments ---
This reminds me of the story of Ruth. In those days some of the wheat was left on the floor so that the poor people could come by and pick it up and not go hungry.
So, was it easier to leave 10% of the wheat for them,
or was it easier to leave what the heart said to?
It was easer to leave 10%...just as you said above.
God actually demands more from us than the decalogue.
But, what we give, we are to give with the heart.
Legalists and law-keepers are still following God with a heart of stone and not a heart of flesh. But if this is the best they can do, I do not condemn them; they're doing their best and as have been taught.
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