Jesus And The Apostles Observed The Sabbath Day

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Tuesday 12-26-23 3rd. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Tevet 12 5784, 6th. Winter Day

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Jesus and the Apostles Observed the Sabbath Day

Did you know that the two scriptures most often used to support worshiping on Sunday are frequently misinterpreted? Discover the biblical evidence that proves Jesus, His apostles, and both Jewish and non-Jewish believers originally kept the seventh-day Sabbath. Also learn when, where, and why...
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The Bible is clear, "first day of the week" is not Saturday.

Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus’ resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.

Acts 20:7 – this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the “first day of the week.” Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.

1 Cor. 16:2 – Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches “on the first day of the week,” which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday. (but Saturday is OK too)

Col. 2:16-17 – Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says “let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath.”

2 Thess. 2:15 – we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Heb. 4:8-9 – regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of “another day,” which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord’s resurrection, which was on Sunday.

Heb. 7:12 – when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.

Rev 1:10 – John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord’s day, the new day of rest in Christ.

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 – whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.
Now for a bit of historical evidence:

On the Lord’s own day, assemble in common to break bread and offer thanks, but first confess your sins so that your sacrifice may be pure.”
Didache, 14 (A.D. 90).

“If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death–whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master.”
Ignatius, To the Magnesians, 9:1 (A.D. 110).

I fulfil my Sunday obligation by participating at the 5 P.M. Mass on Saturday, so on that basis alone, this whole Saturday/Sunday controversy is pointless hair splitting_____ _____.
 
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The Bible is clear, "first day of the week" is not Saturday.

Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus’ resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.

Acts 20:7 – this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the “first day of the week.” Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.

1 Cor. 16:2 – Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches “on the first day of the week,” which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday. (but Saturday is OK too)

Col. 2:16-17 – Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says “let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath.”

2 Thess. 2:15 – we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Heb. 4:8-9 – regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of “another day,” which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord’s resurrection, which was on Sunday.

Heb. 7:12 – when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.

Rev 1:10 – John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord’s day, the new day of rest in Christ.

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 – whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.
Now for a bit of historical evidence:

On the Lord’s own day, assemble in common to break bread and offer thanks, but first confess your sins so that your sacrifice may be pure.”
Didache, 14 (A.D. 90).

“If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death–whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master.”
Ignatius, To the Magnesians, 9:1 (A.D. 110).

I fulfil my Sunday obligation by participating at the 5 P.M. Mass on Saturday, so on that basis alone, this whole Saturday/Sunday controversy is pointless hair splitting.
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The Bible is clear, "first day of the week" is not Saturday.

Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus’ resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.

Acts 20:7 – this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the “first day of the week.” Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.

1 Cor. 16:2 – Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches “on the first day of the week,” which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday. (but Saturday is OK too)

Col. 2:16-17 – Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says “let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath.”

2 Thess. 2:15 – we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Heb. 4:8-9 – regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of “another day,” which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord’s resurrection, which was on Sunday.

Heb. 7:12 – when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.

Rev 1:10 – John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord’s day, the new day of rest in Christ.

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 – whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.
Now for a bit of historical evidence:

On the Lord’s own day, assemble in common to break bread and offer thanks, but first confess your sins so that your sacrifice may be pure.”
Didache, 14 (A.D. 90).

“If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death–whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master.”
Ignatius, To the Magnesians, 9:1 (A.D. 110).

I fulfil my Sunday obligation by participating at the 5 P.M. Mass on Saturday, so on that basis alone, this whole Saturday/Sunday controversy is pointless hair splitting_____ _____.
Clear that way to you.
 

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Did you know that the two scriptures most often used to support worshiping on Sunday are frequently misinterpreted?

Pretty hard to misinterpret the finding of the Council of Jerusalem and the Apostles meeting on Sunday, hombre:

We see in Acts chapter 2 that the first church service was on Sunday (the day of Pentecost they were all with one accord in one place and received the outpouring of the Holy Ghost). And, the first public evangelism meeting was also held on Sunday out in the street after the Holy Ghost was poured out in the upper room (Acts 2:14-36)

Acts 20:7
The first day of the week, the Apostles came together to break bread

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him

The Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15 we see how the Holy Spirit led the Apostles to conclude that gentile converts to Christianity were not obligated to keep most of the rules prescribed to the Jews by the Mosaic Law, such as Jewish dietary laws and the rules concerning circumcision of males. The Apostles were led by the Lord to retain the prohibitions on eating blood, meat containing blood, and meat of animals that were strangled, and on fornication and idolatry.

There was no leading by the Holy Spirit at The Council of Jerusalem to include Saturday sabbath as being a requirement for New Testament Christians to observe. Had this been the will of God that we keep Saturday sabbath under the New Covenant, the Lord would have led the Apostles to include this as a required... but, He did not do so.

Keeping Saturday sabbath is not a requirement for born again Christians and the claim that one must keep Saturday sabbath in order to be in right standing with God is not entering in to the REST that the Lord Jesus Christ has provided to His people under the New Covenant. Righteousness does not come thru any part of the old testament the law including keeping Saturday sabbath.



Clear that way to you.

Clear to those that can read and comprehend what they are reading!

Those that belong to that Saturday sabbath religion are no longer capable of doing this concerning this topic.

They have chosen to place the teachings of their religion above God's Word. It's a free country so enjoy!
 

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Pretty hard to misinterpret the finding of the Council of Jerusalem and the Apostles meeting on Sunday, hombre:

We see in Acts chapter 2 that the first church service was on Sunday (the day of Pentecost they were all with one accord in one place and received the outpouring of the Holy Ghost). And, the first public evangelism meeting was also held on Sunday out in the street after the Holy Ghost was poured out in the upper room (Acts 2:14-36)

Acts 20:7
The first day of the week, the Apostles came together to break bread

1 Corinthians 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him

The Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15 we see how the Holy Spirit led the Apostles to conclude that gentile converts to Christianity were not obligated to keep most of the rules prescribed to the Jews by the Mosaic Law, such as Jewish dietary laws and the rules concerning circumcision of males. The Apostles were led by the Lord to retain the prohibitions on eating blood, meat containing blood, and meat of animals that were strangled, and on fornication and idolatry.

There was no leading by the Holy Spirit at The Council of Jerusalem to include Saturday sabbath as being a requirement for New Testament Christians to observe. Had this been the will of God that we keep Saturday sabbath under the New Covenant, the Lord would have led the Apostles to include this as a required... but, He did not do so.

Keeping Saturday sabbath is not a requirement for born again Christians and the claim that one must keep Saturday sabbath in order to be in right standing with God is not entering in to the REST that the Lord Jesus Christ has provided to His people under the New Covenant. Righteousness does not come thru any part of the old testament the law including keeping Saturday sabbath.





Clear to those that can read and comprehend what they are reading!

Those that belong to that Saturday sabbath religion are no longer capable of doing this concerning this topic.

They have chosen to place the teachings of their religion above God's Word. It's a free country so enjoy!
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I don't think so.


I wouldn't expect anybody from your religion to actually put what the New Testament teaches above what your religious leaders require that you adhere to.

So people will make up their own minds about these scripture references being true or not... that your religion denies:

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


Your debunking has been debunked by the Word of the Lord!

This is where the sabbatarians went wrong.... they don't believe what the Lord says in Hebrews 10:9 and they don't believe what the Lord says in Hebrews 7:12

As a result, you folks think nobody goes to Heaven unless they earn the right to do so by their own work and efforts keeping Saturday sabbath.

So, when the future gets here we're going to see if Hebrews 10:9 and Hebrews 7:12 are true or if these are lies someone slipped in to God's Word and Jesus just didn't notice or something. We'll see...
 

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I wouldn't expect anybody from your religion to actually put what the New Testament teaches above what your religious leaders require that you adhere to.

So people will make up their own minds about these scripture references being true or not... that your religion denies:

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


Your debunking has been debunked by the Word of the Lord!

This is where the sabbatarians went wrong.... they don't believe what the Lord says in Hebrews 10:9 and they don't believe what the Lord says in Hebrews 7:12

As a result, you folks think nobody goes to Heaven unless they earn the right to do so by their own work and efforts keeping Saturday sabbath.

So, when the future gets here we're going to see if Hebrews 10:9 and Hebrews 7:12 are true or if these are lies someone slipped in to God's Word and Jesus just didn't notice or something. We'll see...

Ad hominem much?

What about the multitudes of Christian Sabbath-keepers that don't belong to "my religion?"

What you're glaringly dancing around here is that the New Covenant is a very specific concept tied to a promise that you're substituting with the standard ambiguous abracadabra that's supposed to take place in the heart of the New (Everlasting) Covenant believer.

The most succinct description of the New Covenant implementation is found in the very book that you're using to cover it up.

And it is a direct quote from the Old Testament, applicable to ISRAEL, ergo it IS NOT a New Testament invention.

In fact, it is found in various forms throughout the Old Testament, which explains why Christ was so astonished that Nicodemus, a "teacher in ISRAEL," didn't get it.

It really seems that you're more interested in seeing how many obnoxious rounds you can get off at "my religion" than in discussing what the Bible actually says about the New Covenant.

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Ad hominem much?

Reject Hebrews 10:9 and Hebrews 7:12 much? laughing.gif

It's always odd how when one gets caught not honoring something the Lord says in His Word and someone points that out... they play the "you're attacking me" card.

It's not an attack at all, it's simply the truth and it explains why the sabbatarian religion believes what it believes.

So now, we know what's going on with the sabbatarian religion.

Just like other religions, people should have opportunity to be aware of what's going on.
 

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And it is a direct quote from the Old Testament, applicable to ISRAEL, ergo it IS NOT a New Testament invention.

That's the whole point... the Body of Christ is NOT Israel. clueless-doh.gif

So people will make up their own minds about these scripture references being true or not... that your religion denies:

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.


Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


Your debunking has been debunked by the Word of the Lord!

Unsubscribing now so you fellas can blah blah on and on further if you so desire.
 

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Reject Hebrews 10:9 and Hebrews 7:12 much?
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That's very clever. And, as always, very amusing to you.

Reject every other verse in Hebrews much?

It's always odd how when one gets caught not honoring something the Lord says in His Word and someone points that out... they play the "you're attacking me" card.

Nice custom job/baloney defense for Adventist-trashing. Nobody said "you're attacking me."

The point was that you're just making up for a lack of sound exegesis by targeting a Sabbatarian group.

It's not an attack at all, it's simply the truth and it explains why the sabbatarian religion believes what it believes.

So now, we know what's going on with the sabbatarian religion.

There is no "the sabbatarian religion."

Just like other religions, people should have opportunity to be aware of what's going on.

I think they're getting it.

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That's the whole point... the Body of Christ is NOT Israel.

Romans 11
17And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and [d]fatness of the olive tree, 18do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

19You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, [e]goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?


Romans 2
28For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose [g]praise is not from men but from God.

Have you ever actually studied the Bible? I'm here to help.

So people will make up their own minds about these scripture references being true or not... that your religion denies:

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

There's no question but that they are true. You just seem to be wildly confused about how the word "law" is used in the Bible.

Unsubscribing now so you fellas can blah blah on and on further if you so desire.

It won't help. You've put a ton of stuff out to be challenged.

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The Bible is clear, "first day of the week" is not Saturday.

Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal
Shalom, Illuminator.
Of course, the two days are different. Anyone who called "Sunday" a "sabbath" is purposely confusing the issue.

However, as I've said, the believers in the Messiah RESTED on the Shabbat ("sabbath") and they TRAVELED (often BY FOOT) to meet together on Yowm R'iyshown (the Head Day of the week), the First Day of the week. No one was permitted by God's Law to travel farther than a "sabbath-day's journey," which according to Scripture was from Jerusalem out to the Mount of Olives. (See Acts 1:12). This explains ALL the verses quoted below.
Jesus’ resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.

Acts 20:7 – this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the “first day of the week.” Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.

1 Cor. 16:2 – Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches “on the first day of the week,” which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday. (but Saturday is OK too)

Col. 2:16-17 – Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says “let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath.”

2 Thess. 2:15 – we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Heb. 4:8-9 – regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of “another day,” which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord’s resurrection, which was on Sunday.

Heb. 7:12 – when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.

Rev 1:10 – John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord’s day, the new day of rest in Christ.

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 – whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.
Now for a bit of historical evidence:

On the Lord’s own day, assemble in common to break bread and offer thanks, but first confess your sins so that your sacrifice may be pure.”
Didache, 14 (A.D. 90).

“If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death–whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master.”
Ignatius, To the Magnesians, 9:1 (A.D. 110).

I fulfil my Sunday obligation by participating at the 5 P.M. Mass on Saturday, so on that basis alone, this whole Saturday/Sunday controversy is pointless hair splitting_____ _____.
All this is nonsense. Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") changed NOTHING! Paul changed NOTHING! Listen carefully to Paul's words in Romans 14:

Romans 14:4-14 (KJV)

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 ONE MAN ESTEEMETH ONE DAY ABOVE ANOTHER: ANOTHER ESTEEMETH EVERY DAY [ALIKE]. LET EVERY MAN BE FULLY PERSUADED IN HIS OWN MIND. 6 HE THAT REGARDETH THE DAY, REGARDETH [IT] UNTO THE LORD; AND HE THAT REGARDETH NOT THE DAY, TO THE LORD HE DOTH NOT REGARD [IT]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ (the Messiah) both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10 But WHY DOST THOU JUDGE THY BROTHER? OR WHY DOST THOU SET AT NOUGHT THY BROTHER? FOR WE SHALL ALL STAND BEFORE THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST (OF THE MESSIAH). 11 For it is written,

"'[As] I live,' saith the LORD, 'every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.'"

12 So then EVERY ONE OF US SHALL GIVE ACCOUNT OF HIMSELF TO GOD. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way. 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [THERE IS] NOTHING UNCLEAN OF ITSELF: BUT TO HIM THAT ESTEEMETH ANY THING TO BE UNCLEAN, TO HIM [IT IS] UNCLEAN.
 

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believers in the Messiah RESTED on the Shabbat ("sabbath")

Which of course there is not any commands or instructions given in the New Testament to do so... they were free to work at their jobs on Saturday as Christians are today and still be in right standing with the Lord!

The SDA religion must think they are earning extra browning points with God by what they think is a good workexit_stage_right.gif



All this is nonsense. Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") changed NOTHING! Paul changed NOTHING!

You must be... befuddled as to why there are NO corrections written to Christians telling them not observing Saturday sabbath is wrong or a sin.

We see all kinds of corrections and warnings in the New Testament concerning what Christians are required to do and should be doing... so the befuddled just can't figure out WHY there's NO warnings or instructions at all concerning observing Saturday sabbath
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