Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

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The throne of David was never in the heavens. It is and was always an earthly throne
But David prophesied what God promised him which is that the Messiah would come from his line and would be raised up to sit on his throne. The Messiah is obviously Jesus. Is Jesus just an earthly King? No. He is a heavenly King who reigns at the right hand of the Father. So, why would you think that Jesus, a heavenly King, would literally sit on an earthly throne which would be beneath Him in more ways than one? Peter made it very clear that Jesus was RAISED UP to David's throne by way of being RAISED UP from the dead.

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
 

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So if you have a mind with understanding, you will acknowledge the scripture says, Christ judges the world at His return.
That judgment is also called the 'great white throne judgment of GOD.'

They are one and the same, there are not 2 judgments of this world, one by Christ, and one by God, there is only one Judgment Day.

Acts says here in this way, Christ will judge all the world!
When He comes again, He will judge the quick and the dead, the living and the dead, both are judged by Christ on the Last Day, the Day He returns. NOT 1000 years later!
If you believe something otherwise than what Jesus and God says in the WORD, they you believing in a fable.

Acts 17:30-32​

New King James Version​

30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.

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2 Timothy 4

1 I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom:
Right. The day He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained is the day Jesus returns with His angels with all people being gathered before Him with all being set to either His right or left hand. Jesus portrayed that judgment in Matthew 25:31-46.
 

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Just leave what you don't understand for those who do. :laughing:

Left your Carnal Understanding long ago and Chose to be Filled with Spiritual Understanding instead.

Rom 8:
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Col 1:
[9] For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
 

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So sorry that you flunked kindergarten English. :laughing:

The Carnal Minded man attempts to garner support and satisfaction with false claims.

The individual with Spiritual Understanding understands the Carnal Minded mans intent of deceit.
 

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Breaking News! Jesus the Messiah has already come and roundly defeated His enemies and assumed the throne of David as Israel's true king.
David's throne was never some mystical metaphoric symbol for the heavenlies. It had physical structure with biblical defined boundaries.

2 Sa 3:10 To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beer-sheba.

Paul joins Peter in relating the fulfilment of the Messianic enthronement to Christ’s current kingly reign in heaven. This truth is confirmed in Acts 13:22-23. Paul speaking to the religious Jews in Antioch says, concerning the promise of the Messiah and His rise to the throne of David, which was made unto their forefathers, he (God) raised (aorist active indicative) up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. Of this man’s (David’s) seed hath God according to his promise raised (aorist active indicative) unto Israel a saviour, Jesus.”

This Davidic reference was used by Paul to demonstrate (to his Israeli audience) that the much-anticipated eternal Davidic reign (prophesied for centuries in the Old Testament) had arrived in the form of Jesus Christ and His glorious resurrection. Christ was indeed Israel’s anticipated “king” and “saviour.” Premillennialists are selective in their interpretation of passages like this. The reason being: they have to be! Passages like this negate their doctrine. Whilst they except Christ as Israel’s current “saviour,” they do not except Him was Israel’s current ruling “king.” However, this text exposes their objection. This passage proves that Christ is presented as already perfectly fulfilling the Davidic expectancy.
We will not see the literal fulfillment until the 7th trumpet in Rev 11, where the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of Jesus.

Rv 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Paul adds in Acts 13:26-30, “Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent. For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him. And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. But God raised him from the dead.”
No mention of David's throne...you are reading that into the text. The throne of David is not the resurrection nor is it in heaven. David was never resurrected yet he sat on a physical throne.
It is clear from this whole chapter that these misguided Jews still foolishly yearned for a coming Messiah who would one day reign upon a physical temporal earthly throne in Jerusalem, when He had in fact already come and rose to the heavenly Davidic throne. These earthly-minded Jews totally missed the hour of their visitation because of their false theology. They totally misunderstood who their Messiah was and what form His reign would look like. The sobering part of this text is, their misinterpretation of Scripture, and their false expectation, caused them to miss their Messiah. The fact is, He came to Israel and most Jews never even recognised Him for who He was. They had such a wrong perception of their own king.
No, it is not "clear" that the Jews were misguided by looking for a physical kingdom. Even the apostles did and if they were in error waiting for it we would have seen it here:

Ac 1:6-7 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

This clearly indicates there WILL be a physical restoration of the literal kingdom of Israel.
Paul then enlarges and explains, “And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers (speaking about the kingly Messianic reign that would usher from the seed of David), God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And as concerning that [Psalm 2] he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise [His glorious rise to the throne], I will give you the sure mercies of David [quoting Isaiah 55:3] (vv 32-34).

This is talking about the resurrection. Christ receiving "the sure mercies of David" was Christ rising up from the grave, ascending to heaven, taking the Davidic kingship, being enthroned on David's throne, installing Him in His rightful place of preeminence over Israel.
The Davidic kingship was never a spiritual kingdom. It was a physical one whose boundaries are well documented. Your interpretation is a fused amalgam of over spiritualization.
So, the promised Messiah has already come and taken the throne of David, although, evidently, not in the person or in the manner that the unbelieving Jews had carnally imagined. Paul here applies the Old Testament promises in Psalm 2 and Isaiah 55 to Christ’s death, burial and resurrection to the throne; and explains how such a prophecy has already been gloriously fulfilled. This is irrefutable evidence that these Old Testament prophecies relate to the intra-Advent period.

Colossians 1:18 describes Christ’s triumphant resurrection, saying, he (Christ) is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn [Gr. prootótokos] from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”

This passage, which is clearly referring to Christ’s physical resurrection, describes Christ’s status after triumphing over death and the grave as the prootótokos or put another way first begotten from the dead.
But is has nothing to do with the actual literal fulfillment of the physical kingdom of Israel. All of the prophecies of the first coming of Christ were literally fulfilled. He was born of an actual virgin...not some mystical symbol for Israel. He was born in literal Bethlehem...not some metaphoric symbol for His birthplace. He actually suffered and died on the cross...not some spiritual symbol for it...and finally, He was actually resurrected from the dead. Just as all of the prophecies of the first coming were literally fulfilled...so will all the prophecies of His second coming. There is no need to spiritualize them with an obsolete eschatological paradigm. Such a view was rendered null and void in May of 1948 when literal Israel once again became a nation.
 

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speaking of that book of remembrance , notice its those who actually feared the LORD .
AND what is the fear of the LORD
to depart from evil . NOT TRY AND JUSTIFY EVIL IN HIS NAME .
THERE Is no fear of GOD in this generation at all . Many embrace certain sins
and namely the ones they love . I see zero proof of the SPIRIT OF GOD at work in many who even lip the name of JESUS .
Because they are in love with another jesus whose love has allowed them their sin . AND THAT AINT JESUS
AND IT AINT OF GOD . Time for a wakeup call and fast too .
Amen....
2 Co 5:10-11
0 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men...
 
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All fulfilled. Peter and God's last words about the throne. Acts 2:29-35. Christ's throne in the heavens. Not David's destroyed vanished throne.

Deal with it. :laughing:
. Those prophecies have not been fulfilled and David's destroyed throne will be reestablished by Christ and He will sit upon it. Christ's throne is in the heavens but when He returns He will sit on David's throne and rule over the kingdoms of the earth.
You ignored the question.

Where was Christ's throne at the time of His Resurrection?
The one at the right hand of the Father:

Rv 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

*Mic Drop*
 

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. Those prophecies have not been fulfilled and David's destroyed throne will be reestablished by Christ and He will sit upon it. Christ's throne is in the heavens but when He returns He will sit on David's throne and rule over the kingdoms of the earth.

The one at the right hand of the Father:

Rv 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

*Mic Drop*
You are advocating for people to follow Christian fables about the return of Christ as are so many other posters in this thread.
I already showed what happens when Christ returns on the Day of the Lord.
And it is not the continuation of this current world as it is now for another 1000 years of time of an earthly kingdom of God of flesh and blood and marriages, babies born, and eventually rebellion again.
When Christ comes back is the resurrection of all the dead, and the Day of Judgment of Almighty God where Christ will judge the world in Righteousness, and we shall all be changed.

This first earth and first heaven burn up, we get new earth and new heavens, all evil things are gone forever. There is none left to rebel against God. Death which is the last enemy is destroyed.

But you have all that continuing on for another 1000 years in your ungodly evil doctrine
 

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You are advocating for people to follow Christian fables about the return of Christ as are so many other posters in this thread.
You are advocating a denial of the reality of what happens when Christ returns
I already showed what happens when Christ returns on the Day of the Lord.
All you did was present your own Christian fable

And it is not the continuation of this current world as it is now for another 1000 years of time of an earthly kingdom of God of flesh and blood and marriages, babies born, and eventually rebellion again.
That right...it's an establishment of Christ's reign from Jerusalem from the throne of David.
When Christ comes back is the resurrection of all the dead, and the Day of Judgment of Almighty God where Christ will judge the world in Righteousness, and we shall all be changed.
I agree
This first earth and first heaven burn up, we get new earth and new heavens, all evil things are gone forever. There is none left to rebel against God. Death which is the last enemy is destroyed.
This happens after the millennial reign
But you have all that continuing on for another 1000 years in your ungodly evil doctrine
You have no clue about what evil is. That's probably why you follow an obsolete model spoon fed to you by the reformed church.
 

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So many people do not believe what God has said about the return of Christ.
They follow cleverly designed fables.

The do not believe in the resurrection and the Day of judgement is the Last Day when Christ returns to judge the living and the dead, and don't believe He returns in flaming fire to destroy all His enemies, and that His return is the end of this world. They believe unbelieving survivors live on the earth after the return of Christ.

They have fallen for Jewish myths about the kingdom of God.
They are not hearing from God but from the enemies of God.
They also love the world and their flesh and want both to continue on and on saying this earth has to continue on and experience what it would have been like without the fall in Eden.


2 Peter 3 WARNS us about such people, to not be like them.
Herein is described the return of Christ.

1 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of [a]us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward [c]us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

The Day of the Lord
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Be Steadfast
14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
 
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Another weird belief of some of these 1000-year earthly reign of Christ people is at the return of Christ unbelieving Jews have to be evangelized and taught to believe in Christ, somehow all unbelieving Jews will be evangelized and believe after Christ returns, that unbelieving Jews will be spared from being destroyed at the return of Christ. They refer to the verse where is said and All Israel shall be saved as if Israel is made of unbelieving Jews. Which Jews Jesus told were of their father the devil.

They make up a lot of false doctrine.

2 Thessalonians 1

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
 

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Isa. 66
[1] Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

Acts.7
[49] Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

You went and quoted the scripture, which says Heaven is the Throne of God and earth His footstool, yes …

you still say Earth is going to beGod's throne in Jerusalem, OF THIS EARTH.

Correct.

Secret things…are covered things…that which Belong to God.

Secret KNOWLEDGE Belongs to God…
UNTIL the KNOWLEDGE is “uncovered”,
Then the KNOWLEDGE “also belongs to manKind.”

Knowledge comes Before Understanding.

Mindful Understanding OF a mans knowledge, comes From man.

Spiritual Understanding OF Gods KNOWLEDGE, comes to a man…Directly, Expressly, SECRETLY FROM the Lord God TO the man.

A man “receiving / having” Knowledge…is Information “Uncovered”… to that specific man.

A man “receiving / having” Understanding of the Knowledge…is “Uncovered”…to that specific man.

Scripture IS Full of Gods Approved Knowledge.
Scripture provides “glimpses” of Understanding of the Knowledge.
“IF” this occurs…
“Then” that SHALL occur.

Deut. 29
[29] The secret (covered) things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed (uncovered) belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

(Common knowledge for centuries. Kings of THIS Earth, (who die or abdicate their king position) … such position routinely is transferred to the eldest son…)

Why? Security for control? Vanity?

Scriptural model / Example?

Scriptural example (reveals, uncovered) Knowledge…
* God established promised Boundaries of Land ON this Earth For Abraham and “his” descendants “inheritance .”
* God established a Never ending Throne in JERUSALEM for a king to rule from, and for an “inheritance” for THAT kings “lawful offspring”.
* God Appointed DAVID (offspring of Abraham) to position of king.
* God Declared / Revealed…(uncovered)…his ONLY begotten Son… called His Name JESUS.
* Scripture reveals …( uncovered the knowledge)… JESUS is the Declared ONLY begotten Son of God AND Lawful offspring of…Abraham, Issac, Jacob, king David….
THUS JESUS IS fully Qualified..
To CLAIM His Inheritance…
OF Abraham’s Promised Land…
OF king Davids everlasting Throne in JERUSALEM.


Has? Jesus already claimed His Inheritance?
No
Has ? Jesus ruled Abraham’s promised Land?
No.
Has? Jesus claimed His Throne in JERUSALEM?
No.
Has ? Jesus ruled Over ANY Land?
No.
Has? Jesus ruled Over Any People OF THIS world?
No.

Does? Jesus Rule Over Any People IN THIS World?
Yes.

Who? What? People?
“covered… secret… people”
“People ONLY assuredly Known To the Individual AND the Lord God”.

1Cor 2:
[11] For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

What? Establishes / Makes such THAT man be so?
“his covering” expressly given him, From the Lord God.

Romans 4:
[7] Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

What? Who? Forgives And Covers a mans SIN?
Jesus…Gods word.
Christ…Gods Power.
What is Gods word? Spirit, Truth, Way, Life.
What is Gods Power? Spirit, Light

you still say Earth is going to beGod's throne in Jerusalem, OF THIS EARTH.

Correct.

The knowledge has been revealed (uncovered).

Isa 9:
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Matt 25:
[31] When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:


The understanding Remains Covered… for the Majority OF this World.
The Understanding HAS been Revealed (uncovered) … for a Few IN this World.

Who are ”they… IN this World”?
[/U] They “IN” Christ.
[/U]

No worries… that which IS presently “COVERED”…. “ shall be Revealed/ uncovered ”

Luke 12:
[2] For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.

Then shall men who Could not Believe BY Hearing only… Believe By Seeing

Somehow you have been blinded.
The Jerusalem where God will dwell is the one that comes down from Heaven onto the NEW EARTH, there is nothing in the New Testament that says otherwise. And that New Testament is the one in force today.

No. I was enlightened to Gods Truth over man’s Truth…. And exercised my FREEWILL to believe Gods Truth…

What God Purposed for All angels to Do…Many angels Failed to Serve God.
What God Purposed for All men to Do…
Many men Failed to Serve God.
Oh no what to do…?

Not a secret… God Serves Himself to accomplish His Will.

What Was a mystery…Was secret…Was revealed…WAS uncovered…

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Eph.3:
[11] According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Who is Jesus?
Gods Word.
Where did Gods Word come From?
Gods Mouth. (Isa. 55:11)
What is Christ?
Gods Power. (1 Cor 1:24)
Where did Gods Power come From?
God.


Patience… God is Not “Finished” Revealing, uncovering.

AFTER God has “Finished”…
THEN, Shall the barrier Between Heaven and Earth be opened…And Heaven and Earth Become “ONE World, ONE Kingdom, With ONE KING, and ONE Holy People.”

Then Shall it be be Called “Done”…

Glory to God,
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There is no excuse for continuing to believe in fables about the Lord's return when God has clearly stated what will happen in the New Testament writings about the Day of Christ.

You going to believe what God has written? Or are you going to believe what people say.

People know nothing. God knows everything. And God told us what will happen.

Follow people, you will go down with the ship.

Same as the blind leading the blind, both fall into the pit.
 
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Another weird belief of some of these 1000-year earthly reign of Christ people is at the

False.
If you are going to attempt to Speak of an others Belief…
At most have the Facts straight.

return of Christ unbelieving Jews have to be evangelized and taught to believe in Christ, somehow all unbelieving Jews will be evangelized and believe after Christ returns…

Scripture clearly reveals…

Two witnesses…(in JERUSALEM) and 144,000 sealed Tribesmen of Israel…and A Lamb on Mt ZION, Evangelize to ISRAEL…
Why lie and say Jesus had already returned?

that unbelieving Jews will be spared from being destroyed at the return of Christ.

False.
No unbelievers are “spared”.

Non believers are given Knowledge…
IF, WHEN, WHY an individual BELIEVES…
Establishes IF, WHEN, WHY any individual IS “spared”…(Damnation).

Men on / of this Earth, become “spared” by, through, of…. The Lamb of God.

When…IS BEFORE Jesus “Returns”….not After.

They refer to the verse where is said and All Israel shall be saved as if Israel is made of unbelieving Jews. Which Jews Jesus told were of their father the devil.

Obviously you overlooked the Knowledge revealed…
WHEN, HOW, WHY…Tribes of ISRAEL were scattered, lost their kingdoms, lost their way, WERE BLINDED by God, and Gods PLAN to Return them to their land, Send Sealed men Of their OWN kinsmen, / Tribes to teach them Gods Truths, Two witnesses of their own Kinsmen to Testify of Gods Truths…
that they be Armed with the Truth… and Freely choose to Testify of their Belief in Gods Truth and be “spared” damnination…
Just as millions of “Gentiles have done For Centuries”… Before Jesus’ Return!



They make up a lot of false doctrine.


2 Thessalonians 1

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

QUOTING scripture is your evidence to support your claim…?

They make up a lot of false doctrine

Perhaps you should actually quote another… rather than speak FOR them, as your post begins, and makes claims, that I for example have never said, and are Not true.

And I find it curious, that the thought of God providing a Way for ISRAEL to be made Saved…appears to edge on your disapproval.
 
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There is no excuse for continuing to believe in fables about the Lord's return when God has clearly stated what will happen in the New Testament writings about the Day of Christ.

You going to believe what God has written? Or are you going to believe what people say.

People know nothing. God knows everything. And God told us what will happen.

Follow people, you will go down with the ship.

I chose a long time ago to trust, believe Christ the Lord Jesus…. and precisely why I do not believe you or your non factual commentary of other men.
 
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many sure seem to praise and follow men who lead in this interfaith . THAT IS OF ANTI CHRIST .
So let none here who name the name of Christ flock anywhere near those who do the work of interfaith .
Cause as you well said , WE darn sure dont wanna be praising anti christ ...........do we . We better watch out , be alert
and on gaurd .

Caution extends to beware of “gaslighters”, who ATTEMPT to stuff “their words” in an others mouth.
 
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I chose a long time ago to trust, believe Christ the Lord Jesus…. and precisely why I do not believe you or your non factual commentary of other men.
You and others are hanging onto the world
Like this guy here pushing fables


There is a sudden destruction coming, and it won't leave the world anything but a burnt out cinder if that
 
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Sudden destruction and wrath for the world of men on the Day where Jesus comes as a thief in the night
There will be no healing of the unbelieving, no evangelism, just wrath and anguish for the world

1 Thess 5

1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2 Peter 3

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.


1 Thess 5
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
 
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Caution extends to beware of “gaslighters”, who ATTEMPT to stuff “their words” in an others mouth.
Many often do that as well my friend . I say let us simply speak the Words of TRUTH to one another .
Always correct any and all sin and error when or if it is seen amongst the church .
And what i say to one i must say to all , beware of this interfaith interreligious snare and trap .
For i have seen what its key leaders do speak and it is truly of anti christ .
I seen them with my own eyes and i heard their words taken . They preach and do preach anti christ
to these false religions as well as to christendom . THEY do so in the name of what they so beleive
will usher in peace upon mankind , the middle east and the world .
I think this church age has forgotten that it is by peace that the dark one destroys .
Satan can make ANYTHING seem as though its for a good cause .
And GOD did say to not be unequally yoked for a reason . But satan will make it seem
as though its a necessity for us to be lined up with false religoins for a cause he claims WILL bring world peace .
HE is a tricky one and a seducer taken . HE knows HOW to lie and he knows how to seduce
and will make it seem as though its for the good of man .
JUST LIKE HE DID at the tree . NAY ye will not die , YE shall simply become as gods .
HE is a liar . There is no TRUTH in HIM or his men who do his work . Beware and be on gaurd .
 
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