ChristisGod
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Your passage that you failed to quote actually supports a plural God/Lord. 1 Corinthians 8:6.
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God is Spirit, not flesh. Ergo, God is not Jesus.
Opinion is not. Fact is Scripture says many times God alone is the Father alone. Fact is Scripture never days God the Son.
Wrangler
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Alluded to? That is supposed to supersede 1C, many times Adonai alone is God + 10,000 singular pronouns referring to God?! What does a singular pronoun refer to, not allude to but refer to?
"The entire Bible is written by monotheist Jews who reject the trinity to this day."
Uh huh. Sure. Luke - who wrote a gospel and the book of Acts, was definitely not a monotheist JEW - in fact Luke wrote a good-sized chunk of the New Testament.
I doubt if author of Job was a Jew also.
I am tired of seeing the garbage in Wrangler's signature - guess put him back on Ignore.
Uh huh. Sure. Luke - who wrote a gospel and the book of Acts, was definitely not a monotheist JEW - in fact Luke wrote a good-sized chunk of the New Testament.
I doubt if author of Job was a Jew also.
I am tired of seeing the garbage in Wrangler's signature - guess put him back on Ignore.
GracePeace
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1. Is it your argument that this prophecy fails then? Is that how prophecy works--it fails? The Jews don't move God to jealousy by getting another god for themselves, and God doesn't respond by moving them to jealousy by getting another people for Himself? Paul isn't referring to this when he says "I hope to move my people to jealousy by magnifying my ministry to you Gentiles"?
2. Since you want a more explicit fulfillment, Paul is more explicit in Romans 9:23-26 and Jesus is explicit in Matthew 21:43. Again, it's the same God getting another people for Himself--and one relationship He has to His People is that of "Husband".
Wrangler
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I’m not sure what prophecy you are referencing. However, the foundation of proper Biblical understanding is that the entire Bible is written by monotheist Jews, which Jesus was one, who reject the trinity to this day.
Of course, there are many prophecies in the Bible but none are about God incarnate.
GracePeace
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The prophecy and its fulfillment have already been cited many times--Deuteronomy 32:21, which comes true in Hosea 1:9, 10, and in Matthew 21:43, and in Romans 9:23-26 and in Romans 11:13.
GracePeace
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1a. Trinitarians are monotheists.
1b. "Monotheistic Jews" : in the Scriptures you reference, God explains that His MO is that He reveals Himself in a process, little by little--eg, "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD I did not make myself known to them."--so, God reveals Himself more and more as time goes on.
1c. "Two Powers in Heaven" : Trinitarianism is Monotheism, but it's just Monotheism in a way that was not explicitly revealed at the time--there were even ancient pre-Christian Jews who were "Binitarians" because of their groping to try to understand what was written in Scripture.
2. "Hear, Oh Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One Lord." : the word "one" there is not "yachid" (strictly, "one"--disallowing for the addition of any elements), it is "echad" which allow for the addition of elements ("complex unity")--in Genesis, for instance, the night and the day together formed the first day, and later on "the two shall become one (echad) flesh". So we're talking about a "complex unity".
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ChristisGod
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Nowhere does scripture state God cannot become man in fact just the opposite as it was prophesied God would do just that in the OT in several places . So once again you stand corrected .
hope this helps !!!
Wrangler
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Oy vey. You are lost. Jews are trinitarian now?
It’s like you have no epistemological foundation - beyond twisting everything to support an inherently contradictory idea.
GracePeace
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GracePeace
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I didn't say that. Why do you "twist everything to support" your view? If you're wrong, you're wrong--just accept it--but why would you misrepresent others' arguments to try to make it easier for your view to withstand scrutiny? You're not fooling me--and hopefully you're not able to deceive the other participants--you're only harming yourself. Humble yourself. Address the challenges to your views honestly, or else admit your error.
Wrangler
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It sure does say God cannot become man in 2 ways:
- God does not change = He does not become anything.
- God is spirit, not flesh.
Wrangler
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No time.
Because you speak in negation and paraphrase. What word, in your estimation, means not or anti-trinitarian? HINT: Jews reject the trinity and refer to their belief in the nature of God as monotheism.
GracePeace
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Everyone (@Christophany @kcnalp @ByGraceThroughFaith @Enoch111 @Pearl @tigger 2 @GISMYS_7), @Wrangler has conceded that he has no answer to this objection--that God was Husband to His People in the Old Covenant Jeremiah 31:32, and so Jesus is the Husband to God's People in the New Covenant Ephesians 5:31-33--it's his Achilles Heel, so keep bringing it up. LOL!
ChristisGod
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Wrong as God remained fully God and His Divine nature remained immutable .
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