Jesus' Crucifixion and Death, and Burial, were on consecutive days

[GerhardEbersoehn]

It turns out Abib and Nisan are the same month. Wasn't aware of that, but what's really important is what took place during that time of year.

You're right, What happened THOSE "THREE DAYS THICK, TOTAL, HELLISH DARKNESS for Jesus Christ in his "SUFFERING" = "PASCHA" / "PASSOVER-OF-YAHWEH" the
14th Abib He was KILLED Mark 14:12 to 15:41 Matthew 26:17 to 27:56 Luke 22:7 to 23:49 John 13:1 to 19:30, the

15th Abib NIGHT PITCH BLACK NIGHT PASSOVER OF YAHWEH DARKNESS DESPITE IT WAS FULL MOON He was "PREPARED FOR TO BE BURIED" Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50 John 19:31, and

15th Abib PITCH BLACK PASSOVER OF YAHWEH DARKNESS DESPITE IT WAS DAYLIGHT Joseph FINISHED to bury Him and "closed the grave .. and went home" Luke 23:54-56a John 19:42, and

16th Abib "BUT WHILE BEING THE THIRD DAY .. in the fullness of the WEEKLY Sabbath Day in the very mid-afternoon in-/declining DAYLIGHT BRIGHTLY SHINING as it began to dawn towards - against - before the First Day of the week" Matthew 27:62 to 28:1-4,
"GOD RAISED CHRIST from" PITCH BLACK DEATH into the Light of "the Kingdom of His Dear SON".

Behold, the revelation of the Scripture which declares: “God the Father .. put all things under Him that God may be all in all” 1Corinthians 15:23b-28 – “God raised Him from the dead LORD AND CHRIST” and “God put all things under his feet (rested Him at his own right hand) and gave Him to the CHURCH AS HEAD THE ALL IN ALL FULFILLING FULLNESS OF GOD.” Ephesians 1:22.

<<...what's really important>> 1Corinthians 15:3,4. Further news - Good News - for you, Paul's most important sermon of his entire apostleship FOR THE SABBATH DAY before the First Day of the week in chapter 2:1 further.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The Resurection is the fulfilment of the feast of firstfruits; and so I do not wish to go back to the types and shadows of the law system, with its Sabbath-keeping, when in fact the fulness of revelation in Christ is now gloriously manifested.

"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept." (1 Corinthians 15.20)

If Jesus' Resurrection <<is the fulfilment of the feast of firstfruits and (you) do not wish to go back to the types and shadows of the law system>> why then do you <<go back to the types and shadows of the law system>> WHILE REFUSING its <fulfilment> in and by and through JESUS CHRIST who, with HIS Sabbath-keeping when in fact <<the fullness of revelation>> in HIM through and with and in and by his Resurrection from the dead <<is now gloriously manifested>> indeed "IN SABBATH'S-TIME" "according to the Scriptures", but ironically go back to the types and shadows of the law system with regard to the New Testament Lord's Day of Triumph when "the LORD the Seventh Day resting revived and reviving rested" Exodus 31:17 and "JESUS GAVE them the People of God REST" Hebrews 4:8 ...?

"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept" 1 Corinthians 15:20 THE ONLY AND ABSOLUTE REASON FOR BEING of the "Sabbath remaining for the People OF, GOD", is, "If Jesus gave them Rest" Hebrews 4:8,9 !

 

[rstrats]

Davy,
re: "I left nothing out, because Wednesday was the preparation day, at evening before sunset was to be the time of the passover sacrifice per Lev.23 (that is when Jesus died on the cross)."

Was the Messiah in the tomb at any time on Wednesday?



re: "...your interpretation of Luke 24:21 making Sunday a third day in the tomb, is a false assumption."

Where did I do that?



re: "It's obvious that the woman speaking in Luke 24:21..."

How do you know Cleopas was a woman?



re: "... meant it had been 3 days since those events she described took place."

Correct; "third day since" means the same as "3 days since".



re: "And indeed by Sunday, it had been 3 days, Saturday, Friday, and Thursday..."

Actually, 5 calendar days would have been involved. The last "thing" mentioned was the crucifixion. So Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday - 5 calendar days.

 

[rstrats]

Davy,
re: "Sunday, the 1st day of the week. At dawn was when Mary came to visit the tomb and found Jesus had risen."

And Luke 24:21 says it was "the 3rd day since these things happened". Now the last "thing" mentioned in verse 20 was the crucifixion. So if Sunday was the 3rd day since, then Saturday would be the 2nd day since and Friday would be the 1st day since, which makes Thursday the day that the last thing happened.

 

[bbyrd009]

You're right, What happened THOSE "THREE DAYS THICK, TOTAL, HELLISH DARKNESS for Jesus Christ in his "SUFFERING" = "PASCHA" / "PASSOVER-OF-YAHWEH" the
14th Abib He was KILLED Mark 14:12 to 15:41 Matthew 26:17 to 27:56 Luke 22:7 to 23:49 John 13:1 to 19:30, the

15th Abib NIGHT PITCH BLACK NIGHT PASSOVER OF YAHWEH DARKNESS DESPITE IT WAS FULL MOON He was "PREPARED FOR TO BE BURIED" Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50 John 19:31, and

15th Abib PITCH BLACK PASSOVER OF YAHWEH DARKNESS DESPITE IT WAS DAYLIGHT Joseph FINISHED to bury Him and "closed the grave .. and went home" Luke 23:54-56a John 19:42, and

16th Abib "BUT WHILE BEING THE THIRD DAY .. in the fullness of the WEEKLY Sabbath Day in the very mid-afternoon in-/declining DAYLIGHT BRIGHTLY SHINING as it began to dawn towards - against - before the First Day of the week" Matthew 27:62 to 28:1-4,
"GOD RAISED CHRIST from" PITCH BLACK DEATH into the Light of "the Kingdom of His Dear SON".

Behold, the revelation of the Scripture which declares: “God the Father .. put all things under Him that God may be all in all” 1Corinthians 15:23b-28 – “God raised Him from the dead LORD AND CHRIST” and “God put all things under his feet (rested Him at his own right hand) and gave Him to the CHURCH AS HEAD THE ALL IN ALL FULFILLING FULLNESS OF GOD.” Ephesians 1:22.

<<...what's really important>> 1Corinthians 15:3,4. Further news - Good News - for you, Paul's most important sermon of his entire apostleship FOR THE SABBATH DAY before the First Day of the week in chapter 2:1 further.

ah, you found colors, cool ;)
ever wonder why red is so popular for that?

 

[Phoneman777]

You're right, What happened THOSE "THREE DAYS THICK, TOTAL, HELLISH DARKNESS for Jesus Christ in his "SUFFERING" = "PASCHA" / "PASSOVER-OF-YAHWEH" the
14th Abib He was KILLED Mark 14:12 to 15:41 Matthew 26:17 to 27:56 Luke 22:7 to 23:49 John 13:1 to 19:30, the

15th Abib NIGHT PITCH BLACK NIGHT PASSOVER OF YAHWEH DARKNESS DESPITE IT WAS FULL MOON He was "PREPARED FOR TO BE BURIED" Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50 John 19:31, and

15th Abib PITCH BLACK PASSOVER OF YAHWEH DARKNESS DESPITE IT WAS DAYLIGHT Joseph FINISHED to bury Him and "closed the grave .. and went home" Luke 23:54-56a John 19:42, and

16th Abib "BUT WHILE BEING THE THIRD DAY .. in the fullness of the WEEKLY Sabbath Day in the very mid-afternoon in-/declining DAYLIGHT BRIGHTLY SHINING as it began to dawn towards - against - before the First Day of the week" Matthew 27:62 to 28:1-4,
"GOD RAISED CHRIST from" PITCH BLACK DEATH into the Light of "the Kingdom of His Dear SON".

Behold, the revelation of the Scripture which declares: “God the Father .. put all things under Him that God may be all in all” 1Corinthians 15:23b-28 – “God raised Him from the dead LORD AND CHRIST” and “God put all things under his feet (rested Him at his own right hand) and gave Him to the CHURCH AS HEAD THE ALL IN ALL FULFILLING FULLNESS OF GOD.” Ephesians 1:22.

<<...what's really important>> 1Corinthians 15:3,4. Further news - Good News - for you, Paul's most important sermon of his entire apostleship FOR THE SABBATH DAY before the First Day of the week in chapter 2:1 further.

Not a single mention of the First Day of the Week in the New Testament establishes Sunday sacredness. Of the eight, only three are almost always pointed to as "proof", but the fact is that Paul's meeting was on a Saturday night, post-Sabbath get together, not a church service as evidenced by the fact he left at the break of day Sunday morning, the disciples were gathered "for fear of the Jews", not to worship, and the money was to be laid aside "by him in store" which means "at your house", not in some Sunday morning church collection plate. Honest scholars know all this, but dishonest preachers continue to promote these three verses as "proof" of Sunday sacredness, which has not one shred of Biblical proof, as the Papacy proudly boasts and with which mocks Protestants for centuries. Check out "Rome's Challenge" where they pimp slap Sunday keeping Protestants:

www.romeschallenge.com

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I left nothing out, because Wednesday was the preparation day, at evening before sunset was to be the time of the passover sacrifice per Lev.23 (that is when Jesus died on the cross).

Per John 19, they then rushed to bury Jesus' body because at sunset would begin the "high day" sabbath, and no work was to be done on that passover high day that would begin at sunset (sunset to sunset was the reckoning of a day, not midnight to midnight).

<<I left nothing out, because Wednesday was the preparation day>> ...<because...>. Because of what? Nothing! You just take it out of thin air it was Wednesday!

<<...at evening before sunset>> Yes, three hours before sunset; but it still does not make it 3 p.m. on a Wednesday! Nor does the fact it <<was to be the time of the passover sacrifice per Lev.23 (that is when Jesus died on the cross)>> make it a Wednesday.

<<Per John 19, they then rushed to bury Jesus' body...>> Where in John 19 or in any Gospel did anyone, on "That Day .. the Preparation .. which is the Fore-Sabbath", <rush>? Nowhere! At no time on "That-Day-great-day-of-sabbath-of" the passover of Yahweh, huried, or <rushed> anyone, understand! It's and eye-catching blunder, no! it's the LIE of ignorant, barbaric smelly-filthy dark-age cave and cloister dwelling cultist priests.

Now for the LIE of LIES of all 'modern' post 1900 AD WC cultists: <<Wednesday...because at sunset would begin the "high day" sabbath .. Thursday, and no work was to be done>> --

Scriptureless witlessness!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Not a single mention of the First Day of the Week in the New Testament establishes Sunday sacredness. Of the eight, only three are almost always pointed to as "proof", but the fact is that Paul's meeting was on a Saturday night, post-Sabbath get together, not a church service as evidenced by the fact he left at the break of day Sunday morning, the disciples were gathered "for fear of the Jews", not to worship, and the money was to be laid aside "by him in store" which means "at your house", not in some Sunday morning church collection plate. Honest scholars know all this, but dishonest preachers continue to promote these three verses as "proof" of Sunday sacredness, which has not one shred of Biblical proof, as the Papacy proudly boasts and with which mocks Protestants for centuries. Check out "Rome's Challenge" where they pimp slap Sunday keeping Protestants:

www.romeschallenge.com

What you are setting off with whenever a proper answer from you is due, is not the subject of discourse now. Period!

Man o man, who is talking and keeps on talking about Sunday sacredness but you the Sabbatarian(s)! You who do not - who cannot, DISCERN that I am talking about: the sacredness, blessedness and completeness "GOD .. in these last days .. BY THE SON .. thus, concerning the Seventh Day SPAKE: And God the day The Seventh Day from ALL, HIS, WORKS, RESTED".

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You're just making more affirmations you wish were true, without providing one lick of Bible evidence.

But I can show evidence from God's Word of these things...

Lev 23:5-7
5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
KJV

Ex 12:5-11
5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD's passover.
KJV


John 19:30-31
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
KJV

It was the "preparation", the day before... the sabbath. Prior to the evening on the 14th Nisan, they were to select a lamb for sacrifice and prepare it, and then sacrifice it at the evening on 14th of Nisan. At evening on the 14th of Nisan was when Jesus gave up the ghost, fulfilling the exact time required of the passover sacrifice. At sunset would begin Thursday, the 15th of Nisan, a high day, when Jesus' body in the tomb would begin His prophecy of the 3 days and 3 nights. Therefore, right after He died on the cross, they rushed to bury His body because the first day of the feast was getting ready to begin at sunset.

<<Evidence from God's Word ... Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein>> OF WHAT <things>? Of what things contrary 'my view'? I see one thing wherein Scripture contradicts your subtle WC FRAUD. Ever and anon you people say and write: <<no work>> where Scripture has written: "no SERVILE work". ON THIS FALSITY YOU ERECT THE WHOLE STRUCTURE OF YOUR DECEITFULNESS!

Re: Exodus 12:6b,8 -- "kill it in the evening .. eat the flesh in that night with ulb" <KJV>
Yes, KJV "evening" of course is OLD English for "late after noon day" Hebrew "between [behn]-the [ha]-late [ereb]-quarters [arba]-of-days [yim]". No problem, it was 3 PM, not night after sunset.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost", "the ninth hour" Mark 15:33b Matthew 27:45 Luke 23:44 and John 19:30 THEREFORE = Exodus 12:6 -- "kill it MID-AFTERNOON"-- NOT though John 19:31, "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away", because John 19:31 = Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50 "WHEN EVENING HAD COME" but here the Greek 'opsia' - "evening" after sunset-- NOT the Hebrew 'behn-ha-arba-yim' or 'ereb' - "late-in-the-day" "mid-afternoon".
John 19:31 THEREFORE = Exodus 12:8 -- "EAT the flesh in that night with ulb"

It is not faithful exegesis to separate John from the other Gospels, that's the first principle in dealing with his Word in the fear of God.

So, yes, "It was the Preparation which is the Before-Sabbath" Mark 15:42 John 19:31, which "HAD-BEGUN-AND-WAS", 'ehn' Aorist and Imperfect of 'eimi' - 'to be'.

Re: <<Prior to the evening on the 14th Nisan, they were to select a lamb for sacrifice>>
No, "on the tenth day of the First Month" they were to select a lamb for sacrifice.

AFTER THE EXODUS, on the 14th Nisan, they were to sacrifice the lamb mid-afternoon on the 14th of Nisan, John 19:14 Mark 14:12 further, Matthew 26:17 further, Luke 22:7 further "on the first day they always had to KILL the passover".

Now here you yourself interpret the archaic "evening" from the Hebrew 'eber' and or 'behn-ha-arba-yim' CORRECTLY, <<At evening on the 14th of Nisan was when Jesus gave up the ghost>> which was "the ninth (Hebrew) hour" of the day, our 3 p.m. <<fulfilling the exact time required of the passover sacrifice>>.

Sunset of the fourteenth then, would begin Thursday night, the night of the Sixth Day of the week and the 15th of Nisan, a high day, when Joseph according to the passover Scriptures turned up to undertake the Burial of the body of Jesus, and "That Day the Preparation the weekly Sabbath nearing, mid-afternoon" Luke 23:54, had Jesus' body closed in the tomb to fulfil Jesus' <<prophecy of the 3 days and 3 nights>>.

Therefore it is your precluded SURMISING that, <<right after He died on the cross, they rushed to bury His body because the first day of the feast was getting ready to begin at sunset.>>

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Sorry, but you're simply wrong, and Jesus haven risen after 3 days and 3 nights, like He said He would in Matthew 12:40, reveals He rose on Sunday which began at sunset right after Saturday. So all one need do is count 3 days and 3 nights backwards from Sunday sunset (per Hebrew reckoning), and it comes to Thursday at sunset when His time in the tomb began.

Jesus did not rise <<after 3 days and 3 nights>>, but, "on the third day".
Jesus also did not say <<in Matthew 12:40>> nor does <<Matthew 12:40 reveal He would rise on Sunday which began at sunset right after Saturday>>.

So all only you will ever be able to do, <<is count 3 days and 3 nights backwards from Sunday sunset (per Hebrew reckoning), and it comes to Thursday at sunset when His time in the tomb began>> whatever it means.

 

[Davy]

Yes, the Feast of Unleaven Bread fell on the weekly Sabbath, making it a "high" Sabbath.

Actually no, there were TWO sabbaths that week.

Per Lev.23, the first day of the feast was to be a sabbath. Jesus was crucified on the "preparation day" (14th Nisan, Wednesday) which was the day before the feast. He was crucified at evening per the passover requirement in Lev.23 & Ex.12.

Wednesday had to be the preparation day when Jesus was crucified, because a simple count from when He rose Sunday before dawn backwards reveals it, using His prophesied 3 days and 3 nights of Matthew 12:40.

And as I have already shown many times about the calendar, it is the Hebrew reckoning for a day that MUST be used, which was from sunset to sunset, a 24 hr. period.

A day always represented a 12 hr. period, and a night always represented a 12 hr. period. Thus sunset to sunset is always a 24 hr. period.

In the morning, from 6 a.m. to 7 a.m. is the 1st hour of the day. At sunset, the hour count begins anew, from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. is the 1st hour of the night.

Those 12 hour periods are what Scripture uses to describe the time of day. Any other time reckoning will not be correct.

John 11:9
9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
KJV

Even our Lord Jesus recognized there are only 12 hours in the day, meaning daytime. Nighttime makes up another 12 hour period.


Matt 27:46
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?
KJV

It was around the 9th hour of the daytime when our Lord Jesus cried that passage from Psalms 22. Very soon after that He died on the cross. The 9th hour per Hebrew reckoning meant 3 p.m. our time.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Sunday, 1st day of the week, between sunset and dawn, He arose.
Saturday dawn to sunset, 1 day
Saturday sunset to dawn, 1 night
Friday dawn to sunset, 2 days
Friday sunset to dawn, 2 nights
Thursday dawn to sunset, 3 days
Thursday sunset to dawn, 3 nights

<<Sunday, 1st day of the week, between sunset and dawn, He arose.>>
Sucked from your little left toe.

<<Saturday dawn to sunset, 1 day>>
So what?

<<Saturday sunset to dawn, 1 night>>
So what?

<<Friday dawn to sunset, 2 days>>
Beyond my comprehension how Friday dawn to sunset is 2 days.

Etcetera <<Friday sunset to dawn, 2 nights ..Thursday dawn to sunset, 3 days .. Thursday sunset to dawn, 3 nights>>.

I have never beheld messier arithmetic or linguistics or hermeneutics.

 

[Davy]

<<I left nothing out, because Wednesday was the preparation day>> ...<because...>. Because of what? Nothing! You just take it out of thin air it was Wednesday!

<<...at evening before sunset>> Yes, three hours before sunset; but it still does not make it 3 p.m. on a Wednesday! Nor does the fact it <<was to be the time of the passover sacrifice per Lev.23 (that is when Jesus died on the cross)>> make it a Wednesday.

<<Per John 19, they then rushed to bury Jesus' body...>> Where in John 19 or in any Gospel did anyone, on "That Day .. the Preparation .. which is the Fore-Sabbath", <rush>? Nowhere! At no time on "That-Day-great-day-of-sabbath-of" the passover of Yahweh, huried, or <rushed> anyone, understand! It's and eye-catching blunder, no! it's the LIE of ignorant, barbaric smelly-filthy dark-age cave and cloister dwelling cultist priests.

Now for the LIE of LIES of all 'modern' post 1900 AD WC cultists: <<Wednesday...because at sunset would begin the "high day" sabbath .. Thursday, and no work was to be done>> --

Scriptureless witlessness!

You are bearing false witness.

You refuse to 'honestly' count backwards from the time when Jesus arose before dawn Sunday, using His prophecy of Matt.12:40 that He would be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. And the Hebrew reckoning for a day and a night MUST be used to get the answer.

You half-heartedly attempted the count in your post #92, but changed your method, not using the Hebrew reckoning, and I dare say you did that on purpose, just because you don't want to admit the proper method I have shown that follows Scripture.

So here is the Hebrew reckoning once again:

Wednesday, Nisan 14, the "preparation day", Jesus crucified, and died about the "ninth hour" (3 p.m.). They rushed to bury His body because the first day of the feast (Nisan 15) was coming at sunset. The 15th Nisan was the first day of the passover feast and it was the "high day" sabbath mentioned in John 19.

Count backwards from Sunday before dawn:
Sunday before dawn - Jesus rose.
Saturday day - 1st day
Saturday night - 1st night
Friday day - 2nd day
Friday night - 2nd night
Thursday day - 3rd day
Thursday night - 3rd night, Thursday began at sunset.
Wednesday evening - Jesus died on the cross around the 9th hour (3 p.m.) prior to sunset.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Thanks for the info, LC!

You're welcome! :)

 

[Davy]

<<Evidence from God's Word ... Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein>> OF WHAT <things>? Of what things contrary 'my view'? I see one thing wherein Scripture contradicts your subtle WC FRAUD. Ever and anon you people say and write: <<no work>> where Scripture has written: "no SERVILE work". ON THIS FALSITY YOU ERECT THE WHOLE STRUCTURE OF YOUR DECEITFULNESS!

So now, like a faithful Pharisee, you are straining at gnats!

Yes, the Scripture said no 'servile work', which means only things involving the feast were allowed, like serving the table, etc. It's still a high sabbath, with that exception, and it still does not change anything I have said. Nice attempt at trying to create a cause swatting at gnats though.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

So the Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1-4, Mark 16:9, Luke 24:1-3, and John 20:1 are all false according to your... reckoning. Let's see what they say...

Matt 28:1
28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. KJV
That shows the timing when Mary Magdalene came to visit Jesus' tomb, around dawn on Sunday, the first day of the week.

Re: <<Matt 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. KJV That shows the timing when Mary Magdalene came to visit Jesus' tomb, around dawn on Sunday, the first day of the week.>>

On the contrary, Matthew 28: 1 shows it was not <<the timing when Mary Magdalene came to visit Jesus' tomb>> because Matthew 28:1 shows it was "Mary Magdalene AND the other Mary". And many more indications showing you confuse Matthew 28:i and John 20:1 which different Scriptures tell of different events and different personae and different <timing>, and isn't it funny, totally different words and grammar and structure and subject and object and context ad infinitum so you're spinning through your neck!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. KJV

That also shows it was right after the weekly sabbath, which ended the evening before. So from the evening before till near dawn, the women had been preparing the spices, and came to the tomb around dawn, on the 1st day of the week, Sunday. The evening before at sunset began Sunday. If you don't use the Hebrew calendar reckoning for sunset to sunset, you'll get all mixed up.

<<That also shows it...>> What <it> are you referring to?

And How can <<it (have been) right after the weekly sabbath, which ended the evening before>>?

<<So from the evening before till near dawn, the women had been preparing the spices>> for at least 24 hours? WHILE MARK 16:1 DOES NOT EVEN CONTAIN A WORD OR IDEA about <preparing>! Or, that the women <<came to the tomb around dawn, on the 1st day of the week, Sunday.>> because that is what is what is written in Mark 16 verses 2 and 3, not in verse 1.

Re: <<The evening before at sunset began Sunday.>> Of which <evening before at sunset> are you talking? Don't you talk about Mark 16:1, "after the Sabbath had gone through" itself?

You don't use the Hebrew calendar! Where have you used it? Does <<reckoning for sunset to sunset>> mean you used the Hebrew calendar? No for sure, you will not <get all mixed up>, you already are all mixed up.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

So the Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1-4, Mark 16:9, Luke 24:1-3, and John 20:1 are all false according to your... reckoning. Let's see what they say...

Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven devils. KJV

That also proves that Jesus arose sometime Sunday night and near dawn. Sunday began sunset and ended the 3 days and 3 nights period. So everything jives with what He said about being in the earth for 3 days and 3 nights.

Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven devils. KJV

Endorsed! But your claim this <<also proves that Jesus arose sometime Sunday night and near dawn>> is sharp-shooting with pork cackling. "Jesus was risen, early the First Day of the week He appeared to Mary" -- He was risen; He did not rise then. What's your problem?

<<Sunday began sunset and ended the 3 days and 3 nights period. So everything jives with what He said about being in the earth for 3 days and 3 nights.>> NOTHING <jives with what Jesus said> since He never said He was <<in the earth for 3 days and 3 nights>> Someone must be lying, and it is not Jesus!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Luke 24:1-2
24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
KJV

That also agrees with the above Scripture examples, that the women brought spices early Sunday morning on the 1st day of the week, and found Jesus' tomb open.

Again, you must be thinking I and us are fools to just swallow what you concocted for breakfast, lunch and supper. Neither in Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1-4 or 9 is there any mention of women who <<brought spices early Sunday>> Luke 24:1 "just after-midnight morning" is the ONLY one mentioning of <<women brought spices early Sunday>>.

<<John 20:1
20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark,unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. KJV
John gives a little bit more info on the timing. Mary came to the tomb while it was still dark, so dawn was just arriving, on the 1st day of the week, Sunday, and the tomb was found already open, meaning Jesus arose sometime after sunset Sunday to that time near dawn.>>

EVERYTHING TO THE CONTRARY! You cannot decide what you're talking about, whether the <timing>, or the spices or the preparing or the buying or the women or whatever. But the ultimate is your presuming that this alchemy with Scriptures must be <<meaning Jesus arose sometime after sunset Sunday>>

 

[Grailhunter]

Ohhh! lol I see you guys are still flinging scripture arrows and being rude to one another. Getting you anywhere? No it is not! You think with this process that the Grace of the Holy Spirit is anywhere in sight? Keep it up, very entertaining! There are some pretty smart guys here...still Einstein's definition of insanity applies. Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.