Jesus is Jehovah the YHWH of the Old Testament

[Grailhunter]

You mean we can be certain based on certain transliterations.

No, it is complicated, but Hebrew is not a dead language. At one time there was a lot of Jews that could not read Hebrew, but the language never really died. People forget that there is a difference between reading and speaking a language. They and we know the basic characteristics of their alphabet.

 

[MonoBiblical]

No, it is complicated, but Hebrew is not a dead language. At one time there was a lot of Jews that could not read Hebrew, but the language never really died. People forget that there is a difference between reading and speaking a language. They and we know the basic characteristics of their alphabet.

The original Aramaic syntax is dead.

 

[Peterlag]

Jehovah is the Hebrew name for God in the Old Testament. He is given as the Creator of the universe and everything in it. The name Yahweh comes from the Hebrew word for "I am," which was translated as 'Jehovah.' Whenever the name 'LORD' is printed in small caps in the Bible, it means 'YAHWEH'. For ancient Jews, the name 'YAHWEH' was so sacred that they would not speak it nor would they write it in full, but gave it as 'YHWH'.

Now the scriptures is very clear that Jesus Christ is not just our Savior, but is also the Creator of the universe, Jehovah 'YAHWEH' of the Old Testament. Notice carefully:

All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that has been made. John 1:3

He [Jesus] was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. John 1:10

God, who created all things by Jesus Christ. Ephesians 3:9

For by Him [Jesus] all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Colossians 1:16

Thus Jesus Christ is our Creator. The One who created, rested. Thus the Sabbath commandment, when correctly understood in the light of both the Old and New Testaments, points to Jesus Christ

Now some may say but God the great Jehovah created the earth in the beginning, but here is were the mystery of the GodHead has to be understood in order to understand who Jesus was.

Jesus is the Jehovah of ALL the Bible. He is the LORD Jehovah that walked in the cool of the day in Eden. Jesus was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus was Jehovah God who gave the Ten Commandments. Jesus was Jehovah God who was in the pillar of fire by night and cloud by day. Jesus was Jehovah God who appeared to Moses in the fiery bush and declared I am that I am.

What Jesus claims about Himself - John 8:48-59
48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

With solemn dignity Jesus answered, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. Silence fell upon the vast assembly. The name of God, given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence, had been claimed as His own by Jesus.

Lets look at this story of Moses and the burning bush in Exodus...
Exodus 3:14-15..
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Now scripture shows us even more clearly who Christ is, if we just let the Holy Spirit guide us into truth.

THE FIRST AND THE LAST
Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Isaiah 41:4
Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isaiah 48:12
Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

Now lets look at who is the Savior:

Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD ; and beside me there is no saviour.

Isaiah 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

1Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

2Peter 3:18
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Philippians 3:20
For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Jesus is truly the Creator, Jehovah 'YAHWEH', the First and the Last, our Savior and Lord of the Sabbath. It is His day of worship from Creation, the day of rest, made for man not man for the Sabbath..

Genesis 2:1-2
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

The Sabbath was for all mankind which the Creator gave us. Our Lord and Saviour shows us.

You said to "Notice carefully" and then you listed the following two verses that begin talking about the Word and God and then you write in Jesus. You write He [Jesus]. There's no Jesus mentioned in John 1:3 or 1:10.

All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that has been made. John 1:3

He [Jesus] was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. John 1:10

 

[Grailhunter]

The original Aramaic syntax is dead.

There are differing options on this but none solid enough to debate.
I am a formally educated theologian in 5 countries. The research right now is focused on communities that still speak it. But still there is room for error because it is an old language. But then to be fair it is not like we know nothing about it.

 

[MonoBiblical]

There are differing options on this but none solid enough to debate.
I am a formally educated theologian in 5 countries. The research right now is focused on communities that still speak it. But still there is room for error because it is an old language. But then to be fair it is not like we know nothing about it.

I have a hypothesis that the Syria-Babylonians seem to have invented Greek before their language was transferred by the Stoics. When Rabbinic Jews started speaking Hebrew again, they forgot about Greek, and called the older Hebrew, Aramaic. I am wondering how Greece changed from an Aramaic dialect to Hellenic.

Also to say Hebrew is alive is like to me saying Latin is not dead. They are both very different now.

 

[Grailhunter]

I have a hypothesis that the Syria-Babylonians seem to have invented Greek before their language was transferred by the Stoics. When Rabbinic Jews started speaking Hebrew again, they forgot about Greek, and called the older Hebrew, Aramaic. I am wondering how Greece changed from an Aramaic dialect to Hellenic.

Also to say Hebrew is alive is like to me saying Latin is not dead. They are both very different now.

LOL I am not sure if Latin was a live language when it was spoken.

As time goes on we learn more about the ancient languages. One of the reasons, and I say one of the reasons for the Septuagint was because the Jews were losing their ability to read their own language. That is why I say there is a difference in reading a language and speaking it. As time goes on we learn more.

 

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No, it is complicated, but Hebrew is not a dead language. At one time there was a lot of Jews that could not read Hebrew, but the language never really died. People forget that there is a difference between reading and speaking a language. They and we know the basic characteristics of their alphabet.

Ancient Hebrew is in fact a dead languages, as the native speakers are long gone. Modern Hebrew is not actually the ancient Hebrew. It's a reconstitution based earlier Hebrew. Just like modern Greek is not the same as Koine Greek, which is not the same as Classical Greek.

From What is a Dead Language? (with pictures)

A dead language is a language which is no longer learned as a native language. Some well known examples of dead languages include Coptic, Ancient Greek, Latin, and Sanskirt, although there are numerous other dead languages from regions around the world, including huge numbers of Native American languages which died out with European colonialism. Some dead languages are topics of study because of their cultural, linguistic, or social importance, and some dead languages actually have numbers of speakers which exceed those of modern or living languages, languages which are learned as native tongues.

In some cases, a dead language mutates into a modern language. Ancient Greek, for example, was the obvious precursor to Modern Greek, although the two languages are markedly different. Latin gave birth to Spanish, French, Italian, and Portuguese, while Sanskrit was the predecessor of many Indian languages. In these instances, many academics study the dead language to learn more about the history of a culture.

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