Jesus Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, At This Time The Resurrection Of "All" Takes Place (Then Cometh The End)

[Davy]

1 Cor.15;24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Those specific verses are proof that Christ's future "thousand years" reign over the unsaved nations will be a LITERAL EVENT.

Those verses reveal that Jesus MUST REIGN until HE (Jesus) puts all His enemies under His feet. That is the major reason for that future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20. ALL... will know then Who He is, and will have NO excuse. God is not going to cast any soul into the "lake of fire" until they KNOW Who He is, and have made their decision to reject Him.

And that 1 Cor.15:25 verse DOES NOT MEAN that reign is the casting into the "lake of fire", it is not. It is about the TIME OF CHRIST'S LITERAL REIGN OVER THEM, the "thousand years" literal period of Rev.20.

The 26th verse is when the casting of the abode of hell, and death, and the wicked all go into the "lake of fire" after... the "thousand years".

 

[Truth7t7]

Like Forrest Gump says about stupidity, God said it too...

Jer 4:22
22 For My people is foolish, they have not known Me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
KJV

I don't bring such things up for no reason. It's simply the truth, some folks love to try and make themselves out to be more than they really are. But I'm not fooled.




Remember I said how some folks like to appear to be more than they really are? In your first statement you claim you don't deny Jesus will descend from heaven, but then in your statement in 'red' you deny that Jesus comes to the earth regarding His descent. And the really big thing that shows your Biblical ignorance, is that you don't really understand the meaning of that 1 Thess.4:17 being caught up "in the air". That's how you try to act... like you do know, but you actually do not.

You act like everyone I've ever met that is on man's false doctrine of a Pre-trib rapture theory and the idea that the future change and resurrection is to a new flesh body. Neither of those ideas are Biblical.

Per Apostle Paul in 1 Cor.15, he said we shall not all 'sleep', but that we shall ALL... be "changed", on the "last trump", "at the twinkling of an eye". And the change he was teaching is about the change from our flesh body to our "spiritual body" which will manifest on that day. That is what that 1 Thess.4:17 caught up "in the air" is about when Jesus descends to this earth at His future return. And the Zech.14 Scripture tells us Jesus's feet will touch down upon the Mount of Olives on that day, bringing all His saints with Him there, which is actually confirmed also in Acts 1 by the two angels which said He shall come in like manner as His disciples saw Him ascend to Heaven in a cloud. Lord Jesus and His disciples were standing upon the Mount of Olives when He ascended to Heaven, and that is where He is going to return.

Many just don't want to let go of their little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Truth7t7]

Like Forrest Gump says about stupidity, God said it too...

Jer 4:22
22 For My people is foolish, they have not known Me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
KJV

I don't bring such things up for no reason. It's simply the truth, some folks love to try and make themselves out to be more than they really are. But I'm not fooled.




Remember I said how some folks like to appear to be more than they really are? In your first statement you claim you don't deny Jesus will descend from heaven, but then in your statement in 'red' you deny that Jesus comes to the earth regarding His descent. And the really big thing that shows your Biblical ignorance, is that you don't really understand the meaning of that 1 Thess.4:17 being caught up "in the air". That's how you try to act... like you do know, but you actually do not.

You act like everyone I've ever met that is on man's false doctrine of a Pre-trib rapture theory and the idea that the future change and resurrection is to a new flesh body. Neither of those ideas are Biblical.

Per Apostle Paul in 1 Cor.15, he said we shall not all 'sleep', but that we shall ALL... be "changed", on the "last trump", "at the twinkling of an eye". And the change he was teaching is about the change from our flesh body to our "spiritual body" which will manifest on that day. That is what that 1 Thess.4:17 caught up "in the air" is about when Jesus descends to this earth at His future return. And the Zech.14 Scripture tells us Jesus's feet will touch down upon the Mount of Olives on that day, bringing all His saints with Him there, which is actually confirmed also in Acts 1 by the two angels which said He shall come in like manner as His disciples saw Him ascend to Heaven in a cloud. Lord Jesus and His disciples were standing upon the Mount of Olives when He ascended to Heaven, and that is where He is going to return.

Zechariah Chapter 14 Is The "Eternal Kingdom"

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[Truth7t7]

Those specific verses are proof that Christ's future "thousand years" reign over the unsaved nations will be a LITERAL EVENT.

The unsaved wicked will "All" be destroyed at the return of Jesus Christ, your 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth with Jesus ruling over unsaved nations is "GONE"!

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[ewq1938]

The unsaved wicked will "All" be destroyed at the return of Jesus Christ, your 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth with Jesus ruling over unsaved nations is "GONE"!

It's only gone when the thousand years is over. If something is "gone" then it existed which contradicts your views on it. Bad theology always contains these contradictions and errors.

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

All destroyed in Sodom is NOT all destroyed globally.

 

[Truth7t7]

It's only gone when the thousand years is over. If something is "gone" then it existed which contradicts your views on it. Bad theology always contains these contradictions and errors.








All destroyed in Sodom is NOT all destroyed globally.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Truth7t7]

It's only gone when the thousand years is over. If something is "gone" then it existed which contradicts your views on it. Bad theology always contains these contradictions and errors.








All destroyed in Sodom is NOT all destroyed globally.

Many just don't want to let go of their little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[PinSeeker]

Why would it matter if one is deceived about that or not?

Ah, well, I'm not sure if you're saying what I think you're saying here or not, but this whole disagreement around God's millennium and whether it's yet to come, here now, or already past is... Well, I'll just say that really, it shouldn't cause such discord or disdain or... just to make it a quintent (lol) of D's... derision, disrespect, and disparagement? It should not be. I mean, we all know Christ Jesus is coming back... and believe in eternal life and the new heaven and new earth and all that. We believe God... even though, yes, we may disagree here and there regarding exactly what He means by this or that... not if it will come to be, but how it will work itself out. So, why be at each other's throats and so... condemning, really... over this thing? Is that not terribly sinful in and of itself?

It's not like a millennium after Christ returns can be faked somehow before or after He returns, thus deceive Premils into thinking it's a real millennium involving the real Christ when it isn't.

I'm not even sure what this means. <smile> I mean, this has been talked about ad nauseum, but the assertion coming from amillennial Christians is that the millennium is ended when Christ returns, right? Well, the assertion from amillennial believers is that the end of the millennium is what prompts Christ's return. In any case, I think we should be careful of using words like "deceived." I mean, if either one of us disagrees with the other regarding anything, neither one of us is necessarily "deceived." Wrong, maybe, but not necessarily deceived.

OTOH, it is like a millennium before Christ returns can be faked though, which is not what Premils are doing but is what Amils are doing.

Hmmm, how so? Amils are "faking the millennium?" That's quite a ridiculous assertion; does not "faking" amount to being deceivers themselves and thus lying? "Amils" are doing no such thing. Believing something to be different in nature, or in manifestation than someone else still means that people on both sides of that argument believe in the thing itself, so in that sense there is no disagreement, right?

No Premil would think, that unless or until Christ bodily returns first, that there can even be a millennium in the meantime.

Ahhh, well, did not Jesus say ~ two millennia ago ~ to His disciples... and by extension to us, as we are disciples (followers of Jesus) too... "behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age" (Matthew 28;20)...? <smile> So yes, He's not physically with us (yet), but is He not with us, and therefore the possibility that the millennium is ever since then even up to now? Mind you, I'm not here trying to convince you to "abandon your premillennialism," really, but just to get you to see that it is possible, even from where you stand, that the millennium is now.

The 42 month reign of the beast precedes the 2nd coming and involves persecuting and killing saints on an untold level like never before.

Hmmmm.... <smile> I think "amils" would agree with you on this... At least I would, at least in part, but in a different way, I guess... I could go into much more detail than this, but I'll just say that Revelation 11:1-14 gives a general visionary representation of the witness of the church and God’s preservation and vindication of the witness. That should sound familiar, I think, like a present reality... <smile> I say the "42 months" should not literally be understood as 1290 days... give or take one or two <smile>... but rather a limited time of distress and intense conflict between God’s people and their opponents (Revelation 13:5). That should sound familiar, too, it is a present reality... It is half of seven years, which from a symbolic point of view suggests a complete period of suffering, cut short by half... a period of persecution of limited length.

Now zooming back out to this particular vision as a whole, this vision has multiple applications throughout the present church age. For the seven churches in their first century context it indicates that persecution will come, but it will be limited in length and end in vindication. It likewise holds out the same promise for Christians now and throughout the age. Just before the Second Coming we are to expect a violent crisis that will bring intense conflict and persecution (2 Thessalonians 2:1-12).

Again, I'm fine with you disagreeing with what I have said here, and there's no need, really, for further discussion, although if you want to have that, then I'm fine with that, too. But again, I'm not here trying to convince you to "abandon your premillennialism," really, but just to get you to see that it is possible, even from where you stand, that the millennium is now.

....you must be talking to yourself while looking in the mirror when you insist, don't be deceived.

Ugh. <wince>

Grace and peace to you, David.

 

[PinSeeker]

@Davidpt

Addendum to the above:

The whole... "debate"... regarding the millennium is like the "debate" concerning creation in a way. There are those who believe God created the earth and the universe in six 24-hour periods (young earth theory), and those who believe a "day" in Genesis 1 represents an age of unknown length (day/age theory), and those who believe that the creation story of Genesis 1 is like a poem, or a song (framework theory) that disregards the actual passage of time altogether. And there are variations of those three... But really, does it matter which one is more correct? Isn't the thing to believe God, and that He... you know... did it? Created it? And that He is God? Well... yes... <smile> And we all agree on that (hopefully)...

So, Jesus is coming back. And... eternal life, the new heaven and the new earth, all of that. Not to make it sound trivial, or not momentous or glorious, but yeah. We all believe it. Yes? <smile>

Grace and peace to you.

 

[ewq1938]

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

You don't address the issues raised, but just copy and paste old responses that contribute nothing to the discussion.

 

[Truth7t7]

You don't address the issues raised, but just copy and paste old responses that contribute nothing to the discussion.

Pretty hard to deal with the Lord's fire at his return, just pretend as if it's non-existant

 

[ewq1938]

Pretty hard to deal with the Lord's fire at his return, just pretend as if it's non-existant

No one denies fire described on that day, but not one scripture says Jesus uses fire to kill. YOU pretend as if it does, yet have ZERO verses showing it.

 

[Truth7t7]

No one denies fire described on that day, but not one scripture says Jesus uses fire to kill. YOU pretend as if it does, yet have ZERO verses showing it.

Not one human on this earth was killed in Sodom and Gomorrah?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[ewq1938]

Not one human on this earth was killed in Sodom and Gomorrah?

Those events happened in the past. We are discussing the second coming where you errantly believe Jesus uses fire to kill despite zero scriptures saying that.

 

[Truth7t7]

Those events happened in the past. We are discussing the second coming where you errantly believe Jesus uses fire to kill despite zero scriptures saying that.

You ignore the presented scripture "Why"?

The scripture below clearly teaches that when Jesus is revealed in the "Second Coming" it will be just like it was in Sodom and Gomorrah

Don't run away from the direct question I present

Once again, not one human on this earth was killed in Sodom and Gomorrah?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[ewq1938]

You ignore the presented scripture "Why"?

The scripture below clearly teaches that when Jesus is revealed in the "Second Coming" it will be just like it was in Sodom and Gomorrah

Don't run away from the direct question I present

Once again, not one human on this earth was killed in Sodom and Gomorrah?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Jesus also mentioned the flood of water also. In no way is he saying water or fire will be used to kill when he returns. You missed his point and only paid attention to one comparison and ignored the other. That will never be good enough.

 

[Davy]

Many just don't want to let go of their little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

It's the other way around, which reveals how you have been deceived by heeding men's doctrines instead of heeding God's Word as written. Revelation 20 is not the only Bible Chapter that points to Christ's future LITERAL reign with His elect over the unsaved nations. There's quite a bit about it in the Old Testament prophets, and even in Apostle Paul's Epistles.

You just don't know enough of your Bible to realize this, because instead you put your... trust in men and in their traditions.

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

Even what Paul said above in 1 Cor.15:21 you DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

1 Cor.15:21-22 -- is about the fact that ALL men born in the flesh die, even so through Christ ALL men shall be made alive, meaning at His 2nd coming ALL souls will be in their "spiritual body" that Paul taught in that Chapter, INCLUDING the wicked.

1 Cor.15:23 -- for Christ's saints, Jesus' resurrection was first, and then the future resurrection of the asleep saints at His 2nd coming.

1 Cor.15:24 -- then shall come the end, UPON THE CONDITION THAT JESUS FIRST SHALL HAVE PUT DOWN ALL RULE AND AUTHORITY AND POWER BY HIS REIGN OVER THE UNSAVED NATIONS.

THEN THE CONTINUING OF THAT SUBJECT BY PAUL WHICH YOU... LEFT... OUT... ON... PURPOSE!

1 Cor 15:25-28
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.

THAT IS PAUL REVEALING THAT JESUS... MUST REIGN UNTIL HE... HAS PUT ALL HIS ENEMIES UNDER HIS FEET! That's about the LITERAL "thousand years" reign by Jesus and His elect that begins on the day of His future return, as written in Revelation 20.

The stupid doctrine of men that YOU follow instead falsely claims all of Christ's enemies are destroyed... on the day of His future 2nd coming, claiming there is no reign by Jesus over the unsaved. So those making that false claim don't even know the difference between the idea of a DESTRUCTION compared to a time of REIGN per this 1 Cor.15 Scripture!

BUT YOU... PURPOSEFULLY LEFT THAT ABOVE 25TH VERSE OUT OF YOUR QUOTE, which makes you a LIAR against God's written Word! You left out the below verses also on purpose because Paul's 27-28th verses also go against the stupid doctrine of men that you follow.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Death is destroyed ONLY ONCE THE CONDITION given by Paul in the 25th verse is met, along with the CONDITIONS given in the next 27th and 28th verses are met.

I put which part of The Godhead Paul was pointing to in the below in parenthesis...

27 For He (The Father) hath put all things under His (Christ) feet. But when He (Father) saith, all things are put under Him (Christ), it is manifest that He (Father) is excepted, Which did put all things under Him (Christ).

For the purpose of Christ's future "thousand years" reign over the unsaved and wicked, The Father is EXCEPTED IN THAT reign. That is further evidence by Paul of Christ's LITERAL 1,000 years reign over the unsaved starting at His future return.

It is also a CONFIRMATION of the 25th verse that Jesus MUST REIGN OVER HIS ENEMIES until He has put them all under His foot, with The Father being excepted in that future reign . That confirms the future "thousand years" of Revelation 20 is meant LITERALLY.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him (Christ), then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him (Father) That put all things under Him (Christ), that God may be all in all.
KJV

Then when Jesus' future REIGN OVER THE WICKED is done, only then... will Jesus be subject unto The Father that God may be all in all. That also is a revealing by Paul that Christ's reign over His enemies first, the 1,000 years of Rev.20, is meant LITERALLY.

 

[Davy]

Zechariah Chapter 14 Is The "Eternal Kingdom" ....

MORE LIES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH.

Zechariah 14 is about THE DAY OF CHRIST'S FUTURE RETURN... AND THE FUTURE FINAL BATTLE BY HIS ARMY OF SAINTS, AND THEN THE START OF HIS FUTURE REIGN OF REVELATION 20 OVER ALL THE UNSAVED, INCLUDING THE LEFTOVERS OF THE NATIONS THAT SHALL COME UP AGAINST JERUSALEM ON THE LAST DAY OF THIS WORLD.

You are only pushing LIES from men's false Amill doctrines WHICH ARE NOT WRITTEN IN GOD'S WORD. Anyone can read the Zechariah 14 Chapter which reveals Christ's feet touching down upon the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, ON EARTH, on the day of His future return...

Zech 14:1-5
14 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.

4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.
KJV

ONLY AFTER... THOSE FIRST FIVE VERSES ABOVE DOES ZECHARIAH 14 START POINTING TO CHRIST'S FUTURE 1,000 YEARS REIGN OVER THE UNSAVED IN HIS KINGDOM, ON EARTH.

So there again, you LIE against what is written in God's Word revealing that you are here to push man's agenda and not what God says.

 

[Davy]

The unsaved wicked will "All" be destroyed at the return of Jesus Christ, your 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth with Jesus ruling over unsaved nations is "GONE"!

NOPE! Apostle Paul said...

1 Cor 15:24-27
24 Then cometh the end, when He (Jesus) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He (Jesus) shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For He (Jesus) must reign, till He (Jesus) hath put all enemies under His (Jesus) feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For He hath put all things under His feet. But when He saith, all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, Which did put all things under Him.
KJV


In Revelation 2:27, Jesus promised His elect would reign over the NATIONS with Him with the "rod of iron" The Father gave Him.

How STUPID are those on Amill to think that "rod of iron" Jesus will use to reign over the unsaved with is for CHRISTIANS?!?@$! for after Jesus' future return! Like God has said in Jer.4, many of His children are "sottish" children, which the Hebrew for sottish means 'stupid, rebellious'.

This is WHY man's false Amill doctrines have false-Jew signature all over it! Those Amill doctrines are directly opposite of many Bible Scriptures. A pick n' choose of one verse in one Book while purposefully OMITTING other Bible Scripture will always FAIL TO GIVE THE COMPLETE BIBLE PICTURE from GOD.

In my NEXT post I will cover the Old Testament prophecy about the "rod of iron" Christ is to have to reign over the unsaved at His future return.

 

[Davy]

The following Psalms 2 Chapter is where the promise that Christ Jesus' future reign with the "rod of iron" over the unsaved nations is pointed to, for after His future return.


Ps 2:1-12
1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against His anointed, saying,
3 "Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."

That above is what today's unbelieving rulers of this present world under Satan think about GOD. They are not... actually aware of what is coming.

4 He That sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

I like that, our Heavenly Father sees their vain thinking as funny.

5 Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure.

Does that mean His wrath is going to literally destroy all those off this earth on the day of Christ's future return? NOPE! This is where those on man's false Amill theories stop.

6 Yet have I set My king upon My holy hill of Zion.

That is about Lord Jesus' future return to God's holy hill Zion IN... JERUSALEM, ON EARTH, PER ZECHARIAH 14. His feet will touch down upon the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, as written there, bringing all His saints with Him there. Did Apostle Paul really need to cover that in 1 Thessalonians 4 when he taught about the rapture? Not Paul's fault if you don't what Zechariah 14 says as written, IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT, for those who don't know. The Old Testament Books still have many prophecies yet to be fulfilled. The Zechariah 14 Chapter about the day of Christ's future coming and reign over the unsaved is one of them.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, "Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of Me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

That is about Christ's future reign over ALL... the earth when He returns, a LITERAL REIGN over all nations. That word "heathen" is put for the 'nations'.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Uh... WHAT? Jesus shall break those nations with a rod of iron?? That is an expression for what Paul said in 1 Cor.15:25 that Jesus MUST REIGN until He has put ALL His enemies under His foot. That's what His future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20 is about with that "rod of iron".

So that "rod of iron" is definitely NOT for Jesus' Faithful Church, for His elect Church will ALSO reign WITH that "rod of iron" with Jesus over those unsaved nations after His future return! (Rev.2:26-28).

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
KJV

God is pointing those above 10 thru 12 verses at the UNSAVED NATIONS for after... Christ's return during Jesus' future reign over them. That idea, "when his wrath is kindled but a little" is about ideas like Zechariah 14:16-19 that there won't be any rain upon the lands of the unsaved nations who rebel in that future time if they refuse to come up to Jerusalem from year to year to worship The KING (Jesus Christ), and keep the feast of tabernacles.