Actually Jesus returns twice...

[CrowCross]

Fact is, nowhere in Scripture can we find this seven-year tribulation you continue to promote. It defies logic to ask one to prove something from the Bible that is nowhere to be found in the Bible. What I believe the Bible teaches is that the church, representing the Kingdom of God on earth would suffer "great tribulation" such as nothing like it before, nor shall ever be again from the time Christ came to earth a man proclaiming the Kingdom of God had come. Faithful saints throughout every generation have suffered and shall suffer great tribulation in this life as the Kingdom of God is being completed, and it will not end until Christ comes again.

as you quoted...nor shall ever be again.

If your interpretation is correct then the bible errored as men have seen and been through tribulation....and some men have seen more troubling tribulation than others which you said...nor shall ever be again. But they did.

 

[rwb]

as you quoted...nor shall ever be again.

If your interpretation is correct then the bible errored as men have seen and been through tribulation....and some men have seen more troubling tribulation than others which you said...nor shall ever be again. But they did.

Great tribulation like nothing ever before and never shall again be has come and shall continue until Christ has built (completed) His church even as the gates of hell continue to stop it! Can you name a single entity or enterprise unto this earth that has withstood the persecution and great tribulation that has come against the church on earth that continues still to keep growing? The answer of course is no! Nothing has ever been called to endure such great tribulation from every force of evil imaginable upon the earth and yet continue to steadily grow!

 

[CrowCross]

Great tribulation like nothing ever before and never shall again be has come and shall continue until Christ has built (completed) His church even as the gates of hell continue to stop it! Can you name a single entity or enterprise unto this earth that has withstood the persecution and great tribulation that has come against the church on earth that continues still to keep growing? The answer of course is no! Nothing has ever been called to endure such great tribulation from every force of evil imaginable upon the earth and yet continue to steadily grow!

When has the world seen such tribulation as Rev 8 describes?
If you like I could list other world wide tribulations mentioned in the book of Revelation that haven't occurred as of yet....considering you seem to believe in some form of preterism.

 

[rwb]

When has the world seen such tribulation as Rev 8 describes?
If you like I could list other world wide tribulations mentioned in the book of Revelation that haven't occurred as of yet....considering you seem to believe in some form of preterism.

Again, you fail to prove this seven-years tribulation from the Bible! I'm not interested in hearing what you think or what you believe from each chapter of the Bible. I will not believe what you believe to be truth if you cannot prove your beliefs come FROM the Bible. It seems you've read your doctrine INTO the Word of God, and for that reason you are unable to prove what you allege.

 

[CrowCross]

Again, you fail to prove this seven-years tribulation from the Bible! I'm not interested in hearing what you think or what you believe from each chapter of the Bible. I will not believe what you believe to be truth if you cannot prove your beliefs come FROM the Bible. It seems you've read your doctrine INTO the Word of God, and for that reason you are unable to prove what you allege.

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I presented Daniel 9. It speaks of a remaining 7 years.

 

[rwb]

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I presented Daniel 9. It speaks of a remaining 7 years.

Exactly where is Dan 9 prove a seven year tribulation? I assume you find it somewhere in this passage? But I find nothing here to prove a seven-year tribulation.

Daniel 9:24-27 (KJV) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[CrowCross]

Exactly where is Dan 9 prove a seven year tribulation? I assume you find it somewhere in this passage? But I find nothing here to prove a seven-year tribulation.

Daniel 9:24-27 (KJV) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Seventy weeks are determined....when you do the math there is one week left.

The math has been peresented to you several times. This is the last I will respond to you on this issue.
If you can't see it...Oh well.

 

[gpresdo]

If Christ doesn't come at the rapture...who then comes?

A divine occurrence.

Remember ...in the twinkling of an eye...does that suggest the 2nd advent of Christ? No.
Otherfwise one must conclude that He comes twice.

 

[gpresdo]

If Christ doesn't come at the rapture...who then comes?

Where does scripture say someone must come?