Jesus Returns In Fire, Will A Millennium Take Place After?

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Davy

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Your Claim Is False, Jesus Wont Be Found On This Earth


You're belief on a false leaven doctrine of man is what is false. I showed you Scripture to prove that when Lord Jesus returns, He will then sit upon His throne of inheritance. And you argue against that...

Matt 25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:
32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
KJV

That is Lord Jesus Christ speaking. When does Jesus come in His glory with His holy angels? At the 2nd coming of course. Then He shows THAT... is WHEN... He will sit upon HIS throne. What specific throne, because God's Word is... specific on that too???

Luke 1:30-33
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call His name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David:

33 And He shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of His kingdom there shall be no end.
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The throne Lord Jesus Christ is coming back to earth to inherit is plainly written of, right there. Jesus is certainly not... sitting upon David's throne in Heaven, because David's throne is, and ALWAYS has been an EARTHLY THRONE. And the fact that God has promised (many times), per His prophets that He will restore the literal kingdom of Israel in final, is FURTHER SCRIPTURE PROOF of Christ's throne being an earthly throne.



Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, 'Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.'
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That Scripture gives clear PROOF that Jesus' throne He inherits from His father David is an EARTHLY THRONE. It also gives the TIME WHEN Jesus will sit in His inherited throne from David, which is after His future return.

Lord Jesus Christ WILL RETURN TO THIS EARTH, regardless of how much Satan's servants hate that idea!
 

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You're belief on a false leaven doctrine of man is what is false. I showed you Scripture to prove that when Lord Jesus returns, He will then sit upon His throne of inheritance. And you argue against that...

Matt 25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:

32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
KJV

That is Lord Jesus Christ speaking. When does Jesus come in His glory with His holy angels? At the 2nd coming of course. Then He shows THAT... is WHEN... He will sit upon HIS throne. What specific throne, because God's Word is... specific on that too???


Luke 1:30-33
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call His name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David:

33 And He shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of His kingdom there shall be no end.
KJV

The throne Lord Jesus Christ is coming back to earth to inherit is plainly written of, right there. Jesus is certainly not... sitting upon David's throne in Heaven, because David's throne is, and ALWAYS has been an EARTHLY THRONE. And the fact that God has promised (many times), per His prophets that He will restore the literal kingdom of Israel in final, is FURTHER SCRIPTURE PROOF of Christ's throne being an earthly throne.



Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, 'Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.'

KJV

That Scripture gives clear PROOF that Jesus' throne He inherits from His father David is an EARTHLY THRONE. It also gives the TIME WHEN Jesus will sit in His inherited throne from David, which is after His future return.

Lord Jesus Christ WILL RETURN TO THIS EARTH, regardless of how much Satan's servants hate that idea!
Matthew 25:32-46 in the sheep/goat judgement is nothing more than a "parable" of the great white throne judgement in Revelation20:11-15, as Matthew 25:46 clealry shows the final judgement to (Everlasting Punishment) & (Eternal Life)

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false, he warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 

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Matthew 25:32-46 in the sheep/goat judgement is nothing more than a "parable" of the great white throne judgement in Revelation20:11-15, as Matthew 25:46 clealry shows the final judgement to (Everlasting Punishment) & (Eternal Life)

In your delusional mind maybe. All nations being brought before Christ's throne per Matthew 25 and being separated, is NOT a parable. You fibbers always try to turn LITERAL Scripture into some 'story' or parable or allegory, just to escape the Truth proclaimed in simplicity. You obviously have forgotten that ALL knees must bow to Christ and admit Him as Lord (Philippians 2:11; Romans 14:11-12). And per John 5:28-29, Lord Jesus showed the "resurrection of damnation" happens on the day of His 2nd coming also. Even in Revelation 3:9, Jesus told His elect of the Church of Philadelphia that He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come bow at their feet in worship, but not in worship to them, but to Him. That is another pointer to Christ and His elect reigning together, ON THE EARTH after His return, even over the still then existing unsaved. Zechariah 14 makes this plain also about His future reign on earth over all the earth and nations.

So it's obvious YOU ARE NOT HERE TO KEEP TO GOD'S WORD, but instead push men's false doctrines. And that's about right for a fake, putting the word Truth in their avatar name, when it's obvious that's not your purpose here at all.
 
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In your delusional mind maybe. All nations being brought before Christ's throne per Matthew 25 and being separated, is NOT a parable. You fibbers always try to turn LITERAL Scripture into some 'story' or parable or allegory, just to escape the Truth proclaimed in simplicity. You obviously have forgotten that ALL knees must bow to Christ and admit Him as Lord (Philippians 2:11; Romans 14:11-12). And per John 5:28-29, Lord Jesus showed the "resurrection of damnation" happens on the day of His 2nd coming also. Even in Revelation 3:9, Jesus told His elect of the Church of Philadelphia that He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come bow at their feet in worship, but not in worship to them, but to Him. That is another pointer to Christ and His elect reigning together, ON THE EARTH after His return, even over the still then existing unsaved. Zechariah 14 makes this plain also about His future reign on earth over all the earth and nations.

So it's obvious YOU ARE NOT HERE TO KEEP TO GOD'S WORD, but instead push men's false doctrines. And that's about right for a fake, putting the word Truth in their avatar name, when it's obvious that's not your purpose here at all.
Davy, you gave complete disregard to Matthew 25:46 below, showing the final judgment, "Why"?

Because you have a Pre-Determined bias in maintaining the teaching of a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, that will never take place


Matthew 25:32-46 in the sheep/goat judgement is nothing more than a "parable" of the great white throne judgement in Revelation20:11-15, as Matthew 25:46 clealry shows the final judgement to (Everlasting Punishment) & (Eternal Life)

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 

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Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
That verse refers to the final fate of the 'goats'. It doesn't say it happens at the Return.
Revelation 20:11-15 is quite clear; it happens after Jesus has reigned as King of Kings and Lord of Lords for 1000 years.

Also Matthew 25:21-45 is a Judgment of the nations, not of individuals. We see those 'goat' nations again in Zechariah 14:16-21
 

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That verse refers to the final fate of the 'goats'. It doesn't say it happens at the Return.
Revelation 20:11-15 is quite clear; it happens after Jesus has reigned as King of Kings and Lord of Lords for 1000 years.

Also Matthew 25:21-45 is a Judgment of the nations, not of individuals. We see those 'goat' nations again in Zechariah 14:16-21
Your claim is "false", Matthew 25:31-46 is nothing more than the second coming, final judgement, eternal kingdom, lake of fire, in a parable of sheep and goats

Verse 31, second coming
Verse 32-33, Great White Throne Judgement
Verse 34 Eternal Kingdom

Verse 46 Final Judgement to the lake of fire, righteous enter "ETERNAL LIFE" in the eternal kingdom seen in verse 34

Matthew 25:1-4 & 46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 

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Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false, he warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim
Your point indicates that Satan gets to sit on the GWT for 42 months. Satan sits on a throne. Which one? The one in Jerusalem, or God's throne over all creation?
 

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Yeah, there will be a "thousand year" period of Christ's future reign on earth.

It is written of in both Zechariah 14 and Revelation 20
Zechariah Chapter 14 Is (The Eternal Kingdom)

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which
is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee
to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day,
that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass,
that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and
from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And
men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
 

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Yeah, there will be a "thousand year" period of Christ's future reign on earth.

It is written of in both Zechariah 14 and Revelation 20

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

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Jesus is coming 7th trump to Jerusalem. Jesus will Rejuvenate this world. Thier will be great shaking. It's going back to subtropical. Everyone will be in their spiritual body at the 7th trump, going into the millennium, documentation, first Corinthians chapter 15:52. . Haggia 2:6. For thus says the Lord God of hosts ; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will Shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and dry land. HAPAZ in Greek means = once and for all, Final. This is bible prophecy. This great shaking takes place when Jesus returns 7th trump. This also begins with the millennium. The millennium is time of teaching for the spirtualty dead. I documented this.
 

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This great shaking takes place when Jesus returns 7th trump. This also begins with the millennium. The millennium is time of teaching for the spirtualty dead. I documented this.
"False" there won't be a millennial kingdom on this earth as you claim

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)