Jesus saves unbelievers !

[101G]

Confusing. Jesus saves from unbelief.

First thanks for the reply, second, Jesus "SAVE" us by FAITH.
How can one believe if they have never heard the truth? now what is "belief?" a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing . OR
belief as a noun, 1. an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. 2. trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.

do sinners believe that there is a God? yes, only the atheist do not.

there are a lot of sinners out there who believe in God, but not yet ready to accept their surrender/salvation.... can I get a amen? don't worry a divorce of the sinner and the world is comming. either you will get tried of the world, or the world will get tried of ... U. that's why he, God ... "CALLS US OUT OF THE WORLD, to serve HIM. and the apostle says it best, Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."
Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"

see you're called into belief, but save by FAITH in this Grace. the works of God is to believe, and one must answer that call, before they can Work.

so Jesus "SAVE", by hope, which is FAITH, listen, Romans 8:24 "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?" that's why we are called into believe.... belief set the goal, and faith goes an\d get it... that's the two sided coin of Faith and belief. they are not the same, just as sin and iniquity is not the same.


PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[brightfame52]

First thanks for the reply, second, Jesus "SAVE" us by FAITH.
How can one believe if they have never heard the truth? now what is "belief?" a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing . OR
belief as a noun, 1. an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. 2. trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.

do sinners believe that there is a God? yes, only the atheist do not.

there are a lot of sinners out there who believe in God, but not yet ready to accept their surrender/salvation.... can I get a amen? don't worry a divorce of the sinner and the world is comming. either you will get tried of the world, or the world will get tried of ... U. that's why he, God ... "CALLS US OUT OF THE WORLD, to serve HIM. and the apostle says it best, Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."
Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"

see you're called into belief, but save by FAITH in this Grace. the works of God is to believe, and one must answer that call, before they can Work.

so Jesus "SAVE", by hope, which is FAITH, listen, Romans 8:24 "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?" that's why we are called into believe.... belief set the goal, and faith goes an\d get it... that's the two sided coin of Faith and belief. they are not the same, just as sin and iniquity is not the same.


PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Jesus saves by Grace, not by faith. Faith is the result of having been saved.

 

[Renniks]

If Jesus doesnt save unbelievers, who does ? Or is it that no unbelievers can be saved ? Or maybe unbelievers save themselves from unbelief if Christ doesnt ?15

Kinda missing the point there. God doesn't save us until we believe. We all were unbelievers until we believed. That is pretty obvious.

 

[Renniks]

Jesus saves by Grace, not by faith. Faith is the result of having been saved.

By grace through faith. Faith comes before salvation.

 

[Renniks]

Actually all unbelievers are not sinners

Really

Unbelief is a sin and no one is without sin, so, yes all unbelievers are sinners.

 

[justbyfaith]

False, He gives them Faith through the New Birth. Faith to believe is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22

No; we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:2).

 

[101G]

Jesus saves by Grace, not by faith. Faith is the result of having been saved.

GINOLJC, to all
First thanks for the reply, second, Jesus save by Faith, for without it it's impossible to please God. Acts 15:11 "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they."

Romans 8:24 "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?"
Romans 8:25 "But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."

now, what is "HOPE?".. .. FAITH, lets see it, scripture, Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

we are in what is called the "GRACE" period. and in this GRACE, people are SAVED. just as Acts 15:11 states, "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they."

now I want you to read this very carefully, might take 3 or 4 times but read it, it sounds one way at first but keep on reading it... thanks, and here it it, Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[brightfame52]

Kinda missing the point there. God doesn't save us until we believe. We all were unbelievers until we believed. That is pretty obvious.

Christ saves and then one believes, He saves from unbelief as well as from other sins.

 

[brightfame52]

By grace through faith. Faith comes before salvation.

Thats false. Faith comes with Salvation, its a gift of God, both Salvation and Faith. Christ must save from unbelief.

 

[brightfame52]

No; we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:2).

Okay I have no problem with that. But my previous post still stands.

 

[brightfame52]

GINOLJC, to all
First thanks for the reply, second, Jesus save by Faith, for without it it's impossible to please God. Acts 15:11 "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they."

Romans 8:24 "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?"
Romans 8:25 "But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."

now, what is "HOPE?".. .. FAITH, lets see it, scripture, Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

we are in what is called the "GRACE" period. and in this GRACE, people are SAVED. just as Acts 15:11 states, "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they."

now I want you to read this very carefully, might take 3 or 4 times but read it, it sounds one way at first but keep on reading it... thanks, and here it it, Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

I repeat

Jesus saves by Grace, not by faith. Faith is the result of having been saved.

 

[101G]

Everyone have the measure of Faith.Romans 12:3 in belife, or not, just as everyone has the Holy Spirit, either in them or out... meaning with them.

but once saved one add to your God given Faith.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Renniks]

Thats false. Faith comes with Salvation, its a gift of God, both Salvation and Faith. Christ must save from unbelief.

You are Calvinist, I assume? I can give you tons of verses confirming belief comes first.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes...if we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, then faith comes before we enter into grace.

 

[brightfame52]

You are Calvinist, I assume? I can give you tons of verses confirming belief comes first.

Sure belief comes first in your imagination.

 

[justbyfaith]

Sure belief comes first in your imagination.

If we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, then we have faith before we have grace.

It is a very simple deduction.

 

[Renniks]

Sure belief comes first in your imagination.

that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Confess, believe then be saved, clear as day.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes...if we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, then faith comes before we enter into grace.

Jesus Christ saves from unbeiief/sin!

 

[brightfame52]

that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Confess, believe then be saved, clear as day.

That is evidences they are saved. Lost folk can't believe and do things like that.

 

[Tong2020]

@justbyfaith, @Blood Bought 1953, @brightfame52, @Ferris Bueller and those who are discussing the OSAS, losing salvation, etc.

I think everybody are in agreement that the believer in Christ and God, is saved by grace through faith.

Questions for all:

1) is it possible for a genuine born again Christian to genuinely reject the gospel?

2) is it possible for a genuine born again Christian to genuinely reject the gospel and then genuinely repent towards Christ again?

Tong
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