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Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by n2thelight, Apr 13, 2011.

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  1. TheWarIs1

    TheWarIs1 New Member

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    You are so ignorant.
    I say that in the nicest way possible.
     
  2. Duckybill

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    You mean the only way you know how to? Isn't that a violation of forum rules?
     
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    Totally irrelevant. That is where Jesus will return to fight for Israel. Man's boundaries and names mean nothing. It is God who decides.
    God raised Israel from the dead. He is well able to sustain them. Did you give to Israel or was it taken from you?
    State, Nation, call it whatever you like. Man made names don't change the fact that Israel exists, with its Capitol Jerusalem.
    More speculation. It's the LAND that matters. Those whom God brings back to THE LAND.

    Ezekiel 36:24-28 (KJV)
    24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

    And that Land is Israel.
    "26 A new heart also will I give you
    26 A new heart also will I give you
    26 A new heart also will I give you
    TOTALLY irrelevant. Nation or State, are only man made names. It's about the Land of Israel.

    "24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. "
    Irrelevant:

    24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

    It's about the Land.
    Did you give willingly or did God take it from you?
    I've read the Bible and I've looked at the maps. I know where Israel, Capitol Jerusalem are. Right where God put them. And I know where Jesus will return. And I know who He will fight for, Israel, Capitol Jerusalem.

    Zechariah 14:2-4 (NKJV)
    2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. 4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

    I highly recommend to ALL, don't speak against the 'State' of Israel.

    Exodus 32:13 (NKJV)
    13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants, to whom You swore by Your own self, and said to them, 'I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven; and all this land that I have spoken of I give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.' "
     
  4. TheWarIs1

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    ig·no·rant/ˈignərənt/
    Adjective:
    • Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular
     
  5. James Forthwright

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    Let's examine those two scriptures in more detail:


    Zechariah 14:2-4 (NKJV)
    2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

    As we can see from the above passage, 1/2 of the city of Jerusalem is taken captive by the invading world armies, their women ravished and goods plundered. Jerusalem today is divided into various quarters, i.e., the Jewish quarter, Muslim quarter, Christian quarter. Why would anyone assume that the Jewish quarter be spared rather than the section of the city that honors God's Holy Son, Jesus?

    Now drop down to the 14th verse of the chapter and look at what the Jews are doing?

    14 And even Juda shall fight against Jerusalem: and the riches of all nations round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and garments in great abundance. --Darby translation (and others)

    Lo and behold, the Jews join the invading armies and fight against Jerusalem!


    3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. 4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

    Duckybill says: I highly recommend to ALL, don't speak against the 'State' of Israel.

    The glorified Almighty Messiah returns to claim the city/state/nation for HIS PEOPLE. These are the sanctified people that revere His Name and worship Him as LORD and Savior, NOT obstinate Edomite Jews who have stubbornly refused His free gift of salvation for TWO THOUSAND YEARS.


    Exodus 32:13 (NKJV)
    13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants, to whom You swore by Your own self, and said to them, 'I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven; and all this land that I have spoken of I give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.' "

    One must rightly decide who are the actual descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Israel. [By their fruits you will know them.] The White European nations (Caucasian people) whose lineage can be traced to a region just north of the Holy Land (the Caucasus Mts.) have spread the gospel of Christ throughout the globe and have truly been a blessing to the entire world with their advanced technology and rich culture of Christendom.

    The so-called Jews (Rev. 2:9, Rev. 3:9) ,on the other hand, have been curse unto every nation they've ever inhabited and have justly been driven out of hundreds of nations throughout history.
     
  6. BibleScribe

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    Great, -- another white supremacist.

    They're like flies in an outhouse.




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  7. James Forthwright

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    This is forum to discuss and debate scriptural matters, NOT a proper place for scatological references (of which the Jews and their minions are legendary). Why not try and live up to your moniker and scripturally refute what I've stated rather than resort to childish quips from the peanut gallery.

    And BTW, the proper term is White Separatist, (not Supremacist). If the White race is supreme at all it's their supreme foolishness for repeatedly allowing the Jews to infiltrate their Christian nations.
     
  8. Duckybill

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    Those who call others 'ignorant' are displaying their own ignorance.

    More speculation of who Jews are.
     
  9. James Forthwright

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    Jesus certainly knows who the Jews are!

    Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

    Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
     
  10. Duckybill

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    True, but you don't.
     
  11. James Forthwright

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    I merely agree with Jesus' astute assessment. Jesus states that the Jews are sinister people, children of the devil who deserve damnation.

    John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    You are the one who foolishly claims that those that openly reject Jesus as Messiah are "God's chosen people".
     
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    Separatist / supremacist -- it's like saying outhouse and scat. We both know what you're attempting.


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  13. Buzzfruit

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    Jesus did not mean that they were not Jews by natural birth....He meant that they were not a true Jew from within.....a spiritual Jew.

    Romans 2:28-29 (ASV)
    [sup]28 [/sup]For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh:
    [sup]29 [/sup]but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
     
  14. TheWarIs1

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    non sequitur

    You're are so clueless.
     
  15. James Forthwright

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    Please explain how anyone or group of people who refuses to acknowledge Jesus as Messiah can be inwardly and spiritually circumcised?
     
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    That is not what I said. I was only showing that there are two sets of Jews. Those who are Jew by natural birth and those who are by spiritual birth. God does not recognize those who are only Jews by natural birth. Saying that one is a Jew is saying I am one of God's people.....God lives in me and among us. So Jesus is saying that a natural born Jew, who rejects Jesus does not have God living among them, but Satan does. But those who are Jews by a spiritual birth God lives among them and real Jews. Jesus is going to make those people come and worship before the feet of a spiritual Jew. It also means that these Jews, who are the dwelling place of Satan are going to be converted....they are going to repent.
     
  17. James Forthwright

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    Your post, Buzzfruit is quintessential double-speak. Good Jews, Bad Jews, Satanic Jews who become Good Jews . . .

    First of all, most Jews that ever lived are dead. Is there likewise repentance for these Satanic Jews after death? If so why would the Apostles bother to preach in the synagogues (they could always repent later after they're dead)?

    Secondly, contrary to the promise of Abraham to multiple his seed, Jews are staticstically a very small population worldwide. In the USA alone they constitute a mere 3% of the population. Of those 3% way less than 1% actually profess any faith in God. And of those few that DO profess a faith in God, a miniscule percentage of Jews acknowledge Jesus as Messiah. So, I'll grant you that a very small remnant of the Jews might be saved but there is still NO SALVATION FOR THOSE THAT REJECT JESUS AS LORD.

    John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    The unrepentant Jews do not even have the Old Covenant to rely on, as Jesus plainly declares:

    John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
    John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
    John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
     
  18. Duckybill

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    The Apostles were Jews. Jesus is King of the Jews. Are they of the Devil too?

    Luke 23:3 (NKJV)
    3 Then Pilate asked Him, saying, "Are You the King of the Jews?" He answered him and said, "It is as you say."
    "26 A new heart also will I give you"

    God can do that.

    Ignorant and clueless. That seems to be your argument.

    Didn't you know that people can change??? Nobody is born a Christian.
     
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    James Forthwright,

    I think you and your cohorts are fools. As such I would typically answer you according to your folly, as Scripture provides. However, it is equally incumbent that I allow not be too presumptuous. As such I will provide the following from Post #214:



    It is the epitome of self grandeur for some to suppose they are the center of the earth. And certainly where these believe that of Christianity, GOD has preserved his Chosen for their appointed completion:

    Romans 11
    [sup]25[/sup]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
    [sup]26[/sup]And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
    [sup]27[/sup]For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

    So for the ignorant and self-centered individuals, put away your conceit and accept that GOD blinded the Jews for a season so that you could join that relationship.



    So you can either ignore scripture in your own conceit, or you can accept that GOD provided a way of escape from your sins, at the temporary expense of the Jews. -- I think I already know the answer, as evidenced by the other fools you are in company with, but such is the grace of GOD that HE should suffer the sins of men that some might repent.


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  20. James Forthwright

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    Some good questions (for a change) Duckybill.

    No one is claiming that NO JEWS CAN BE SAVED. Sure, some residents of Judea in the first century saw the marvelous works of Jesus, repented of their sin and acknowledged Jesus as their LORD and Savior. The Apostles and Christ's disciples are numbered among them. Though today, those that call themselves Jews rarely, if ever follow the first century "Jews" repentance example.



    The contemporary English translations we read from don't always express the original exact Hebraic, Aramaic or Greek meaning.

    The Apostle John has Jesus answering a different way:

    John 18:34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

    Then, Jesus specifically denies that His kingdom is of Judea:

    John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.


    I know God can and indeed does but the promise of Ezekiel 36 is unto the House of Israel, not unto modern day Turkish/Khazar Jewry who have no lineage to Abraham whatsoever. Their own sources declare that they are imposters, just like Jesus stated in Rev. 2:9 and Rev 3:9.


    "Khazars, a non-Semitic, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the
    entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish-speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania."

    These Jews are not even Semitic people:

    The Bible relates that the Khazar (Ashkenaz) Jews were/are the sons of Japheth not Shem:

    "Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were
    sons born after the flood. The sons of Japheth;...the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz..."
    (Gen.10:1-3)
     
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