You are so ignorant.You are dealing in speculation. I am dealing in Biblical FACT. Most who speculate about Jews are attacking those of the Nation of Israel, to their own peril.
I say that in the nicest way possible.
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You are so ignorant.You are dealing in speculation. I am dealing in Biblical FACT. Most who speculate about Jews are attacking those of the Nation of Israel, to their own peril.
You mean the only way you know how to? Isn't that a violation of forum rules?You are so ignorant.
I say that in the nicest way possible.
Totally irrelevant. That is where Jesus will return to fight for Israel. Man's boundaries and names mean nothing. It is God who decides.Israel is only a state,it is NOT a nation.It is a state supported by the USA.
God raised Israel from the dead. He is well able to sustain them. Did you give to Israel or was it taken from you?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel - Israel
If the USA stops supporting Israel,it would stop been a state,not a nation as it is NOT a nation but a state.
State, Nation, call it whatever you like. Man made names don't change the fact that Israel exists, with its Capitol Jerusalem.http://www.churchoft...rg/index_1.html
How come you keep calling Israel a nation when it is not a nation but a state?
More speculation. It's the LAND that matters. Those whom God brings back to THE LAND.As for reading the OT,Are you going to say that MODERN Israel is OLD Israel?
If you claim the modern Jews are Israel you are making a false connection....
Read the marks of Israel,how do they connect with modern Israel and modern Jews?
http://www.israelect...kMohr/JM050.htm - The marks of Israel
23. Israel to have a new name. Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hos. 2:17.
29. Israel to lose all trace of her lineage. Isa. 42:16-19; Hos. 1:9, 10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25.
How do those marks match modern Israel?Are you going to say it is some future event?
"26 A new heart also will I give youHow many times must I quote Zech 14? Yes, they are VERY special to God. He brought them home to save them, not because they are saved.
Your arguments are weak,if the Jews do not believe in Jesus now,why would they believe in Jesus if he returns to modernJerusalem?
26 A new heart also will I give youIsrael is an anti-christian state supported by a Christian country,look at the talmud,look at how Israeli TV portrays Christianity...are you going to say Jesus will return to people who do not believe in him instead of return to people who do believe in him?
26 A new heart also will I give youIf you claim modern Jews are old Jews then read about antichrists...
1 John 2:18:Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22:Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3:And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7:For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
The definition of antichrist/s connects with the Jews....
Do you seriously think Jesus will return to the state of Israel, with it's many antichrists(plural) regardless of Their sinfulness,instead of returning to a christian people who actually believe in Jesus?
"The Messiah [is] without metaphor the Jewish people" Kethuboth 111a.
If the Jews consider themselves the messiah....read that talmud quote again and again and link it in to modern Israel.....
Your arguments state that Jesus will return to people who will not fulfill anything in the Bible...read marks of Israel
TOTALLY irrelevant. Nation or State, are only man made names. It's about the Land of Israel.You argument is a false connection,blindly stating Israel is a nation when it is NOT.
Irrelevant:No matter how many times you say Israel is a nation,you make a false connection as it is only a state,
Did you give willingly or did God take it from you?supported by the USA,which could stop been a state if the USA decides to stop supporting Israel....
I've read the Bible and I've looked at the maps. I know where Israel, Capitol Jerusalem are. Right where God put them. And I know where Jesus will return. And I know who He will fight for, Israel, Capitol Jerusalem.http://www.sheldonem...ldjerusalem.pdf - The Old Jerusalem is not the New Jerusalem
ig·no·rant/ˈignərənt/You mean the only way you know how to? Isn't that a violation of forum rules?
Great, -- another white supremacist.
They're like flies in an outhouse.
BibleScribe
Those who call others 'ignorant' are displaying their own ignorance.ig·no·rant/ˈignərənt/
Adjective:
- Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular
More speculation of who Jews are.Let's examine those two scriptures in more detail:
Zechariah 14:2-4 (NKJV)
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
As we can see from the above passage, 1/2 of the city of Jerusalem is taken captive by the invading world armies, their women ravished and goods plundered. Jerusalem today is divided into various quarters, i.e., the Jewish quarter, Muslim quarter, Christian quarter. Why would anyone assume that the Jewish quarter be spared rather than the section of the city that honors God's Holy Son, Jesus?
Now drop down to the 14th verse of the chapter and look at what the Jews are doing?
14 And even Juda shall fight against Jerusalem: and the riches of all nations round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and garments in great abundance. --Darby translation (and others)
Lo and behold, the Jews join the invading armies and fight against Jerusalem!
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. 4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
Duckybill says: I highly recommend to ALL, don't speak against the 'State' of Israel.
The glorified Almighty Messiah returns to claim the city/state/nation for HIS PEOPLE. These are the sanctified people that revere His Name and worship Him as LORD and Savior, NOT obstinate Edomite Jews who have stubbornly refused His free gift of salvation for TWO THOUSAND YEARS.
Exodus 32:13 (NKJV)
13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants, to whom You swore by Your own self, and said to them, 'I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven; and all this land that I have spoken of I give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.' "
One must rightly decide who are the actual descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Israel. [By their fruits you will know them.] The White European nations (Caucasian people) whose lineage can be traced to a region just north of the Holy Land (the Caucasus Mts.) have spread the gospel of Christ throughout the globe and have truly been a blessing to the entire world with their advanced technology and rich culture of Christendom.
The so-called Jews (Rev. 2:9, Rev. 3:9) ,on the other hand, have been curse unto every nation they've ever inhabited and have justly been driven out of hundreds of nations throughout history.
More speculation of who Jews are.
True, but you don't.Jesus certainly knows who the Jews are!
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
True, but you don't.
This is forum to discuss and debate scriptural matters, NOT a proper place for scatological references (of which the Jews and their minions are legendary). Why not try and live up to your moniker and scripturally refute what I've stated rather than resort to childish quips from the peanut gallery.
And BTW, the proper term is White Separatist, (not Supremacist). If the White race is supreme at all it's their supreme foolishness for repeatedly allowing the Jews to infiltrate their Christian nations.
Jesus certainly knows who the Jews are!
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
non sequiturThose who call others 'ignorant' are displaying their own ignorance.
More speculation of who Jews are.
You're are so clueless.True, but you don't.
Jesus did not mean that they were not Jews by natural birth....He meant that they were not a true Jew from within.....a spiritual Jew.
Romans 2:28-29 (ASV)
[sup]28 [/sup]For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh:
[sup]29 [/sup]but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Please explain how anyone or group of people who refuses to acknowledge Jesus as Messiah can be inwardly and spiritually circumcised?
That is not what I said. I was only showing that there are two sets of Jews. Those who are Jew by natural birth and those who are by spiritual birth. God does not recognize those who are only Jews by natural birth. Saying that one is a Jew is saying I am one of God's people.....God lives in me and among us. So Jesus is saying that a natural born Jew, who rejects Jesus does not have God living among them, but Satan does. But those who are Jews by a spiritual birth God lives among them and real Jews. Jesus is going to make those people come and worship before the feet of a spiritual Jew. It also means that these Jews, who are the dwelling place of Satan are going to be converted....they are going to repent.
The Apostles were Jews. Jesus is King of the Jews. Are they of the Devil too?I merely agree with Jesus' astute assessment. Jesus states that the Jews are sinister people, children of the devil who deserve damnation.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
"26 A new heart also will I give you"You are the one who foolishly claims that those that openly reject Jesus as Messiah are "God's chosen people".
Ignorant and clueless. That seems to be your argument.non sequitur
You're are so clueless.
Didn't you know that people can change??? Nobody is born a Christian.Please explain how anyone or group of people who refuses to acknowledge Jesus as Messiah can be inwardly and spiritually circumcised?
The Apostles were Jews. Jesus is King of the Jews. Are they of the Devil too?
Luke 23:3 (NKJV)
3 Then Pilate asked Him, saying, "Are You the King of the Jews?" He answered him and said, "It is as you say."
"26 A new heart also will I give you"
God can do that.