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I keep telling you guys.

Affordable healthcare is not a bad thing......

Why don't you come to Australia to see it for yourself. The land where you can go to a doctors appointment for free, even if you are young or poor. Government funded healthcare is good and if you are someone that needs hospital regularly, that's widely available for free.

Instead of someone getting slugged with thousands and thousands of dollars for healthcare fees, the financial pressure on top of someone's injury or sickness is lifted away by the government in Australia. ;)

Don't you think that's good? People who are below the poverty line getting the medical care they need for free? People who are homeless getting the medical care they need for free? Parents who are on a tight budget getting medical care for free?

It's looking after thy neighbour after all, isn't it? ;)
 

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I keep telling you guys.

Affordable healthcare is not a bad thing......

Why don't you come to Australia to see it for yourself. The land where you can go to a doctors appointment for free, even if you are young or poor. Government funded healthcare is good and if you are someone that needs hospital regularly, that's widely available for free.

* Affordable is one thing.
* Free is another thing.

* What does your Government manufacture, produce, etc. to have this Steady Income of Funds, they are Willing to Dole out to Doctors, Hospitals, Clinics, Pharmacies...
FOR A person to enjoy these Services at the Expense of the Government, paying the cost?


Don't you think that's good?

I'll wait for your Answer as to What your Government Manufactures, produces, etc. to specifically Pay for their Offer of Free Medical care.

People who are below the poverty line getting the medical care they need for free? People who are homeless getting the medical care they need for free? Parents who are on a tight budget getting medical care for free?

Is this Free Offer Of Government funded Medical care "restricted to Only certain people?"

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* Affordable is one thing.
* Free is another thing.

* What does your Government manufacture, produce, etc. to have this Steady Income of Funds, they are Willing to Dole out to Doctors, Hospitals, Clinics, Pharmacies...
FOR A person to enjoy these Services at the Expense of the Government, paying the cost?




I'll wait for your Answer as to What your Government Manufactures, produces, etc. to specifically Pay for their Offer of Free Medical care.



Is this Free Offer Of Government funded Medical care "restricted to Only certain people?"

Thanks,
Taken

There's a tax free threshold up to $18200 a year, anyone who earns below that pays no tax, every dollar earnt after $18,200 gets taxed, but only like 2% goes towards hospitals, I don't see why USA cannot do the same thing.

Now I should ask you why did my cousin and her family have to pay $120,000+ in USA to receive cancer treatment? That cousin, she just died last year. Is that fair?
 

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There's a tax free threshold for anyone who earns below $18200 a year, every dollar earnt after $18,200 gets taxed, but only like 2% goes towards hospitals, I don't see why USA cannot do the same thing.

Now I should ask you why did my cousin and her family have to pay $120,000+ in USA to receive cancer treatment? That cousin, she just died last year. Is that fair?

The American living around the corner, his parents in Minnesota also had to pay a fortune.
 

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It's looking after thy neighbour after all, isn't it? ;)

Government looking after your neighbor is nowhere in the Bible.

Extorting one person to "look after their neighbor" is not in the Bible either. There is no such thing as "Free."

It's not about healthcare, it's about CONTROL!
 
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Now I should ask you why did my cousin and her family have to pay $120,000+ in USA to receive cancer treatment? That cousin, she just died last year. Is that fair?

The choice is, purchase sufficient health insurance, or pay for your care on your own.

"Obamacare" made most peoples "good" insurance to be worthless, unaffordable "health insurance" that no poor person could afford the deductible. I am middle class and I can't afford the deductible! Yet, why do so many people from Countries with "free" healthcare, come to America if they pay for life-saving heart surgery? Why is it in Countries where they have "free" healthcare, cut off the age where someone can be treated for joint replacement? Why is it when I had an appendix removed that in Countries with "free" healthcare usually avoid the surgery as long as they can, and just pump the patient up with anti-biotics to put off inevitable surgery until it is an emergency situation?

A "free" healthcare (which you actually pay for the same as any insurance) that picks and chooses who gets life-saving care, is not a "great," or even "good" alternative to what we already have.
 
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The choice is, purchase sufficient health insurance, or pay for your care on your own.

"Obamacare" made most peoples "good" insurance to be worthless, unaffordable "health insurance" that no poor person could afford the deductible. I am middle class and I can't afford the deductible! Yet, why do so many people from Countries with "free" healthcare, come to America if they pay for life-saving heart surgery? Why is it in Countries where they have "free" healthcare, cut off the age where someone can be treated for joint replacement? Why is it when I had an appendix removed that in Countries with "free" healthcare usually avoid the surgery as long as they can, and just pump the patient up with anti-biotics to put off inevitable surgery until it is an emergency situation?

A "free" healthcare (which you actually pay for the same as any insurance) that picks and chooses who gets life-saving care, is not a "great," or even "good" alternative to what we already have.

Well someone I know had life saving heart surgery for free, why don't you try out Australia one day?
 

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Government looking after your neighbor is nowhere in the Bible.

Extorting one person to "look after their neighbor" is not in the Bible either. There is no such thing as "Free."

It's not about healthcare, it's about CONTROL!

So you don't like the idea of taking the load off one person and spreading out a low percentage of tax from people who earn over a certain amount? Which works out to be a lot cheaper?
 

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So you don't like the idea of taking the load off one person and spreading out a low percentage of tax from people who earn over a certain amount? Which works out to be a lot cheaper?

Imo it's better for 10 million people to pay 0.02c in a dollar that will end up saving people's lives for free, than for a person suffering to fork out $100,000+
 

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So you don't like the idea of taking the load off one person and spreading out a low percentage of tax from people who earn over a certain amount? Which works out to be a lot cheaper?
I don't like the unbiblical means of stealing from those that work and giving it to those that don't or won't.

The problem with Socialism is that you always run out of other people's money. Nothing is "free." It is theft by Government coercion.

The Socialist model assumes that if you take from the successful, and re-distribute it to the un-successful, it raises every one up, when in reality, it just lowers everybody down. Why should I abandon half-way decent health insurance to pool my money so everyone, to include myself, can have mediocre under-coverage to be "fair"?
 
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@Candidus it's not about being free, but it's about lifting the weight off those that would struggle to afford hospitals and doctors if it wasn't for the government's help through the taxpayers. Because of the Aussie healthcare system, a broke person, a homeless person can go to hospital to get the treatment that they need. It's just a way the government looks after the people of Australia, no matter what their financial status is, and it helps those who need it most.
 

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So paying taxes is unbiblical?.....
One group of people (majority) that didn't earn something and voting to steal from another group (minority) who actually earned it, is theft and extortion; it is mere semantics to call such a "tax" to legitimize the crime.
 
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In Queensland Australia we had free Hospital for all, before the rest of Australia never had such at all, but then the Socialist federal Government threatened The QLD Government to join into their new Socialist system, they nearly broke the Nation, as it did in Denmark when they kicked it off my mum says, but one could go on for days about all such that is involved.

Ok you are mainly going to be looked after that's a good thing.

But where to start ?

Well I have full cover insurance for myself and another for myself and family. but I had smashed my arm up and when I asked if the doctor could sign for the cover he went off his rocker:rolleyes: did not want to do it, this was the insurance to do with me getting payed as I worked for my self.
Ok then the insurance was a total out of control with trying every trick in the book to get out of paying, that was an experience that cost me a years work.
And as for my insurance for medical well I ended up in a public hospital and surgery could take place in 2 HR and if I went and got moved to a Private well who knows. so I am thinking is the Dr worthy of this, I know of one Hospital that I would of refused them touch me, well this Dr was not in fact and lucky for me that a pro came in to show how to do it, or I would of lost my arm. I still have the wire and pins and screws and plate in for 20 years now.

I have talked to doctors in my political getting about and they talk about the huge amounts of wasted money due to all the Government incompetence, that this Dr says they do not have a clue and they hassle him on stupid issues and he says some badly run Hospitals and certain Doctors they know that are shocking.
Money is wasted like a drunken Sailor and we look after even people who are not Australian citizens, we spent over a millions of dollars on one Arab a year in one ward for years, I seen plenty who are not citizens flooding our system, bleeding it dry.

When my dad last went in to hospital they had him out of the way he was left to die their, he went in at 8 and I came in at 2, 6hrs with nothing no one seen him and he asked me for water. but only after I came in that they got their arse into gear, they thought he was going to die they said so, he will be dead in the morning for sure. they could not work out why he did not die. they had to kill him in the end with a drug box setup that is humane one could say :confused: I don't know really I think a pillow over the head would be better or choked out, that sounds stupid but I would rather go like that my self any day. but without the box that is much worse way to die I know that's a fact.
 

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In America, a broke person, or homeless person cannot be denied emergency services at a hospital. Poor people that are unable to work are given welfare benefits to include healthcare benefits. Those that refuse to work and are able, generally get denied these benefits; completely just! To extend these benefits to those who want to just freeload on the generosity of the people, will only encourage more freeloaders.

When Obamacare tried to give everybody health insurance, prices went up 250%, the average co-pay before benefits kicked in was $200-$500. Obamacare (The Unaffordable Healthcare Act) pushed that up to $5000.00. My prescription cost co-pay more than doubled. I could no longer get prescriptions for effective medications I received for years before.

So-called "Free" Healthcare is funded by raising taxes on those that work and are not freeloading on the system. Costs would not go down if the Government totally managed a Healthcare System, so let's say that they take out an average of $800.00 a month for your Healthcare now, they will be taking more than that if you have to pay for "Free" Healthcare.

As I said before, this is about control. Politicians would be making decisions on how much care, and who will get such care. They can use this type of system to declare (let's say guns) as a "Healthcare Crisis" and hold your Healthcare benefits hostage if you own a gun. They can tell you what you can and cannot eat, or say "No beef" only Soy Product! (The old movie Soylent Green was not far fetched)! Knowing the goals of the Communist (Democrat) Party in America, they will never let a crisis or such leverage go to waste to further their goals to destroy America.

Socialized Healthcare will destroy the best Medical Services and innovation in the world. It may take a few years to realize it, but the mighty flow of new cures and treatments would die-down to a trickle.
 
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Socialized Healthcare will destroy the best Medical Services and innovation in the world. It may take a few years to realize it, but the mighty flow of new cures and treatments would die-down to a trickle.

Nope, Australia still has their research team and some of the best medical services in the world.
 

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Well someone I know had life saving heart surgery for free, why don't you try out Australia one day?
I know one old bloke that once worked for us who had to totally pay himself for a new heart. he said it got to the point that he could not get up the stairs.
I was up at my old stomping ground and I went past his place and I seen him in the back yard, so I stoped in, he was so happy to see me, he said that he had so much respect for me, but I never thought that he did when he worked for us back in the early 80's he was so stern. I was a teen and he was 50yo or so then.
 
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I know one old bloke that once worked for us who had to totally pay himself for a new heart. he said it got to the point that he could not get up the stairs.
I was up at my old stomping ground and I went past his place and I seen him in the back yard, so I stoped in, he was so happy to see me, he said that he had so much respect for me, but I never thought that he did when he worked for us back in the early 80's he was so stern. I was a teen and he was 50yo or so then.

Yep, even though the majority of hospitals here are public. A few people still choose to go to a private hospital and pay.

It's just something you gotta have the money for.