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Featured JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN

Discussion in 'Unorthodox Doctrine Forum' started by Doug, Jul 11, 2019.

  1. Reggie Belafonte

    Reggie Belafonte Well-Known Member

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    There are two sticks it is said of and that is division and when Jesus came they are one under Christ Jesus and the rest are lost and not worthy.
    The Two sticks are Israel and under their King Jesus Christ as it should be.

    You don't know who Nathaniel is ? and all that is said of him I believe.
    Nathaniel is a must understand topic for the Christian, for if you do not comprehend him you are most likely lost.

    Nathaniel is the first topic I would preach about and do you know why, well Jesus said of him and what he would see, now if Nathaniel does not blow you away you must be a very poor Christian or lost. now I am not telling you what Jesus said to him ? because you should know it and if you don't I pray you look it up. but if I was to point it out to you, then you may just fob it off, I will let the Bible explain. I only hope and pray.
     
  2. ScottA

    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    Why would you think I don't know who Nathanael is, and what does that have to do with Israel being born again or not?
     
  3. Reggie Belafonte

    Reggie Belafonte Well-Known Member

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    Everything, because he is a Key.
    You may know of Nathaniel but do you know who he truly is and why Jesus said all such about him.
    Now if it does not really blow you away, you must not understand the spiritual context or Israel and being born again truly. or what is going on with Nathaniel there. Jesus says to him YOU WILL SEE ? what ! and he did, I claim that Nathaniel is St Stephen as well, he was Israel he was FULL of the Holy Spirit, now why ? well he seen all the Jesus said he would and he did and all.
    Now there are only two people in the Bible who were FULL of the Holy Spirit.
    Now you see their is one dude that Jesus comes across that knows who he truly is directly and where is this dude under the fig tree ? doing what for and why? oh yes he is Israel alright as Jesus himself says totally. because Nathaniel is the personification of Israel it's self, not to mention that Jesus is the King their of and what is going on ?
    Not to mention where or what are the Angles going ? do you know how or why they are doing so ?
     
  4. ScottA

    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    Okay...so then you have found a foreshadowing of Jesus' (the Last of the house of Israel) being made perfect the third day just as He said. It is good. Elaborate more if you wish.
     
  5. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    This is completely wrong ,just like the OP.
     
  6. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    wrong...This refers to two old testament passages that Nicodemus should have known
     
  7. ScottA

    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    I quoted the scriptures. You call it "wrong." Your loss.
     
  8. Reggie Belafonte

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    A True Israelite is all about anyone who is a Servant of God, end of story !
    Not everyone was a True Israelite (Servant of God) in the OT, Most were only just members of the tribe of Israel and then they of Judah.
    A true Israelite would know who Jesus truly was and their you have it with Nathaniel not to mention the Jesus confirms this very fact in all that he is saying to Nathaniel.
    Holy Moses was pointing out that Jesus would come and that they the true followers of his (Moses) would know who Jesus is and they would become Jesus Servants = Christians.
    The becoming of the Christian has nothing to do with Goyim in the OT at all, it's all about Israel coming into the Lord Jesus so as to know the Father, what would the Goyim know, Nothing ! when you think about it, what would they know about the Lord Jesus, it's only the true Israelites who would come to know anything about Jesus Christ and such matters in depth, the rest of the Jews would know nothing at all because they are not on the same page and the Goyim is not on the same page as the true Israelites.

    But Christ message is for everyone and all can come to him and be baptised and hope they become Born again of the Holy Spirit.

    True Christianity is all about Israel (the servants of God) who serves Jesus Christ the true Israelites ! because they are truly the servants of God in fact, so one can see that when one becomes truly born again then that person is a Servant of God in fact and that means that one is an Israel.

    You can not have one person who is a Servant of God (Israel) who does not serve Jesus Christ for 2000 years now. and if anyone claims to be an Israel and rejects Jesus Christ that person is a Anti-Christ and if one is a Anti-Christ such a one does not know God at all. their is only a small percentage of Jews nowadays that have any hope in being a true Israelite and that that is all about their understanding about following Holy Moses only and abiding in him and then they will come to see Jesus Christ is the one all along.
     
  9. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    Your misquoting scripture is not my loss.
     
  10. Hidden In Him

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    Hi, Doug. Interesting post as usual, but I don't think there's really much of a case here for arguing the kingdom Christ was referring to was the Davidic kingdom. The context is all wrong. For starters, the translation is a little weak. Verses 3 and 7 actually read "born from above," not "born again," and verses 8 and 13 tell you precisely what the thrust of the teaching was to Nicodemus. The man's opening statement was "We know you are a teacher come from God," as if to make it out to be extraordinary, but Jesus replied that it should not be, for everyone must "come from God" if they would ever hope to ascend to God.

    This is what is meant by, "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and you hearest the sound thereof, but cannot tell whence it cometh and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
     
  11. ScottA

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    It's either a quote or not a quote. Anyone can check it. You apparently don't know better.
     
  12. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    Let me help you out of your confusion...
    If someone asks, what is the Church and you say;
    PSA 50:9
    I will not take a bull from your house.Nor goats out of your folds.
    Now you would accurately post a scripture quote, but is misquoted because it has no bearing on the question...
    Got it skippy?
     
  13. ScottA

    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    Name calling is a sign of guilt and failure. You must be proud.

    As for your confusion lesson, it is you who is confused: Relativity in quoting scripture is not determined by the hearer. Example:

    Psalms 22
    "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? Why are You so far from helping Me, And from the words of My groaning? O My God, I cry in the daytime, but You do not hear; And in the night season, and am not silent. But You are holy, Enthroned in the praises of Israel. Our fathers trusted in You; They trusted, and You delivered them. They cried to You, and were delivered; They trusted in You, and were not ashamed. But I am a worm, and no man..."

    David cried out to God about his own struggles, even referring to himself as a worm, as nothing...which does not apply to Christ even if He lowered Himself and became nothing for a time. But Jesus quoting him made David's words prophecy...not because it was originally stated about Jesus going to the cross, but simply because He quoted it.

    I say again, "Relativity in quoting scripture is not determined by the hearer", but rather by the Spirit in whom all things are employed.
     
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  14. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    "ScottA,
    [Name calling is a sign of guilt and failure. You must be proud.]

    I thought you liked that because of these kinds of comments from you,

    [It's either a quote or not a quote. Anyone can check it. You apparently don't know better.]

     
  15. Doug

    Doug Active Member

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    Hello
    The only kingdom Christ preached on earth was the Davidic kingdom.
    It must be derived from all scripture as there is no one verse that I can think of that specifies it however.
    Thanks
     
  16. Hidden In Him

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    Well, God's kingdom on earth was certainly their primary focus, not just Christ's but the entire early church's as well. But there were occasional references to entering the kingdom of God that was without observation (Luke 17:20), which referred to entering it spiritually, and I believe this is what He was doing in His teaching to Nicodemus. The words were, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
     
  17. Doug

    Doug Active Member

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    Hello
    I see what you are saying, but when entering the kingdom is mentioned I see it as the little flock entering the kingdom on earth. Not all of those Jews who have believed on Jesus will enter the kingdom, but those who are faithful (Matthew 25:21).
     
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