JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN

[ScottA]

If you know a different way into Gods kingdom than by His Spirit, then tell us of it.

The discovery is the same discovery that Jesus discovered in Matt 3:16. Adam did in Gen 3:22, Abraham did, Moses did, Mary did, 120 did. It might do some well to discover the same.

The irony is -- will you discover the same as all of these did?


There is only one means to the Father. As I said if you know a different way to the Father then tell us of it.

And if you need Paul to lead yo to a belief for a god, then so be it, but as for me, and Jesus was the same, our God is quite sufficient to tell us His will for us. If you need another such as Paul then I do understand why, God is not able.

The reason that God is not revealed to anyone is they refuse the One who is at their door knocking this very day, for any man who will open it and let Him in He will come to you, and sup with you, and be in you. Rev 3:20.

You only make up excuses for your own ideas, beliefs for a god instead of letting the One who did come to all of these we read of and spend in them who He is.

I do not put limits on Jesus at all, he was my brother, we have the same Father who is God. You however have limited who Jesus said he was in the Father to your own ideas for who he should be that you may regulate his actions and being.

And you didn't answer, who do you say this was Jesus Jesus spoke of that he could do noting at all wqithout? Why dont you answer that question sense you accuse me of limiting Jesus obligations to the Father? Tell his plainly without your editing for who he said he was in God.

Will you man up and do that? Who was this Jesus spoke off it was not his God that he obeyed and prayed to?

I didnt write this stuff, but by identification with the same God in me, I can identify with his truths. That seems to be a very big problem with you.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.




I cant hinder anyone, either they are that person of Christ that God sent Jesus as example for who we are supposed to be or they are not. That isnt my choice at all, it is your own choice, your decision where to pick up that cross and continue in the Father where Jesus left off. All that I can do is the same as Jesus could do and present to you who you are supposed to be in Gods anointing, and be that person of Christ anointed of God yourself.

if there are limitations it is by your own hands, not mine at all, So dont try and condemn me for your own shortcomings.


I dont have a standard, all I can do is be that person of God that He creates man to be by the Spirit of mind that He is by His standards. God sets the standard and He left it up to the individuals to make their choice whether to have a belief for a god, or actually be like Him and in His same image. Walk as He walks in His same disposition of mind, Spirit.

You are looking at me the very same way as those of Jesus day looked at him as a blasphemer for the very same reason. And I know your thoughts as in, who does this guy think he is? And I have told you plainly who I am in the Father just as Jesus told plainly who he was in the Father. He in me and I in Him are one, John 17, for the God of it all is Love and man either has that same mind of or one does not.

We can argue over the simplicity for who God is all that you like but the stark reality is, if it is God seemly is a Spirit of Love and man is the place of it, no matter what you say about a god, no matter what you think of me, Love is the only way of the Father of it. And either you walk as He walks in it or you do not.

And if you do then all those laws that started as some origional 2500 laws and was reduced to 613, where about half pertained to mans relations to God and about half pertained to mans relationship to man, and Moses reduces those 613 laws down to 10, where the first four pertained to mans relationship to God and the last six pertains to mans relationship with man. and Jesus broke those down into two categories, Love God, Love man as thyself.

If that actually becomes ones disposition and that Love is true within the individual without trying to follow them but actually being a reality and who we are, then the law is fulfilled and one is no longer under those laws for the reality of them comes to actual being.

You may not like me, and just as with Jesus, many more disliked him than did, why? Because he offered something they were not willing to accept or even look at in themselves.

Im not the enemy at all, the enemy is self. And the enemy of good -- is the best!

There is a quote from Mark Twain that states something like this.

"The two most important days in a persons life is the day that you were born, and the day they find out why.

Think on that!

What you have said is recorded. In your own self-centered defense you have said much that is not correct. I am not going to repeat myself. If you want clarification, ask.

But now you give Jesus credit for being the only way to the Father--that's good. And much of what you have said is true--no argument. Still you, by example of your own personal walk, have indeed more than implied a limited standard--but at the same time you have not accounted for the order of the day. You have even denied that Paul was a big part of the plans for this church age appointed by Jesus--let alone what still remains that Paul only gave glory to, as he would not see it come in his time. Which--because these things are also of Christ and God, if you speak against them (as you have), it is against (anti) Christ and God. Not my terms, but His.

So, you have clarified a few points, but there is much more you have not. Meanwhile, you cry as if accused like Christ, while accusing me. There is a word for that too. But I am not looking for an apology, nor do I question your salvation--as I said, God is good. But you have run head on into the finishing unaware, and you may want to humble yourself enough to be of further use.

 

[Fred J]

To see the kingdom of God a man must be born again.

The kingdom being spoken of is the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth, in which, Christ will reign along with the believing remnant, the Israel of God (Exodus 19:5-6 Luke 12:32 Psalm 22:28 Galatians 6:16).

To 'see' the Kingdom of GOD in Heaven, not Davidic kingdom on earth which is history.

Now Christ reigns over the born again new house of Jacob and for ever.

Which includes the born again remnant of Jews saved by grace from the house of Jacob.

And likewise includes, born again Gentile believers saved by grace, who've become equal children and coheir of that promise, and house.

When until the full number of born again Gentiles be come in, then all in the house Jacob by the mercy of GOD will be saved in the end.

Readers, beware of the 'yeast' of the Pharisees

Jesus in saying "Ye must be born again" speaks of the nation of Israel.

That is because He came for the house of Jacob/Israel first and proclaimed the Gospel, and discipled the 12.

And before His ascension, He commissioned the 12, to likewise make disciples of all nation with the same Gospel.

There majoritively are Gentile nations with the minority of scattered Jews among them, who heard the same Gospel, including John ch. 3 as well.

Then which was 'orally' proclaimed and 'orally' made disciples of, in all Gentile nations, like Jesus 'orally' disciple them 12.

The evidence of it until it was written down way later and compiled as part of the all scripture, is in the Holy Bible.

We have from the Gospel according to Matthew to the Gospel according to John.

So stop your 'heresy' Doug, Jesus proclaimed, 'Ye must be born again', not only to the nation of Israel.

But also through His 12 disciples, to all nation of the Gentiles on earth.

 

[Gary Mac]

What you have said is recorded. In your own self-centered defense you have said much that is not correct. I am not going to repeat myself. If you want clarification, ask.

My self centered defense? All I do is copy and past who Jesus said he was in God and that you should have the same. it isnt I who is rejecting so great a salvation that Jesus presents to us all to walk as he did in the Father.

If what Jesus said is incorrect, take up your issue with him, not I.

But now you give Jesus credit for being the only way to the Father

Jesus is not thew only way to the Father, Jesus was the only way in the Father that we receive from God Himself just as Jesus did proven in Matt 3:16 that obviously you cant comprehend?

--that's good. And much of what you have said is true--no argument. Still you, by example of your own personal walk, have indeed more than implied a limited standard

The only limit placed on God is the one you impose on Him. As for me He has fulll range over my spiritual and mortal man.

--but at the same time you have not accounted for the order of the day.

The order of the day god says be as I Am and walk in it.

You have even denied that Paul was a big part of the plans for this church age appointed by Jesus

Paul is not my source God is. You are not my source, John, Peter Jams, is not my source. God Himself is my source and so was God Jesus course and stated clearly in this that I will coolly and past of him who his source was. It wasnt Paul or any other man now was it?

If your source is Paul, then so be it, Paul could be wrong, but God Hi8mself cannot be wrong can He?

And you still havent answered who was this source Jesus spoke of? I know why you won't answer, and so do you.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

--let alone what still remains that Paul only gave glory to,

is it the same glory of God that Jim Jones and David Koresh, or Warren Jeffs gave to God? Did they have it right?

I do not trust in what man says about a god nor did Jesus trust any man. It is better for me to hear from God Himself just as it was better for Jesus to hear from God Himself.

try and consider why that is so difficult for you to understand that you would need man to teach their own ideas about a god. Try seeking the kingdom of God first and His righteousness instead of what another says about Him.

as he would not see it come in his time. Which--because these things are also of Christ and God, if you speak against them (as you have), it is against (anti) Christ and God. Not my terms, but His.

I speak against God for Jesus when it is very clear that I speak as they do, copy and past who they said we should be in the same?

You are missing that intimacy with the Father in yourself, and rely on what man says about Him instead of.

So, you have clarified a few points, but there is much more you have not

it isnt up to me to clarify anything concerning God, it is top to you to receive clarity from God Himself instead of what man has to say about Him.

Think of why that is so difficult for you to understand that God is the way, not man.

Meanwhile, you cry as if accused like Christ, while accusing me.

Accusing you? You are very clear that Paul or others are your way.

Jesus was very clear that if we are like he was in the father we would be treated the same as he was.

There is a word for that too. But I am not looking for an apology, nor do I question your salvation--as I said, God is good. But you have run head on into the finishing unaware, and you may want to humble yourself enough to be of further use.

Unaware to not be as the Father of it and not walk as he walks in His same disposition of mind, Spirit, Perfect even as He is perfect, holy pure and without sin.

If that is against your doctrine then if I was you I would reexamine who you are to be the same as Jesus was in the father as he stated that you should be and would be IF, that you refuse to answer, who was this Jesus spoke of that he could do noting at all without who sent him?

Are you separate from the very same testimony that Jesus gave of himself and his God? Obviously something about who Jesus said he was in God goads your own beliefs for a god or you would be saying amen instead of your rebuttal against who Jesus said he was in God and that you must have the same if you are to be o f His kingdom.

It isnt I who is without! He in me and I in Him are one, just as Jesus prayed to our God for me to be in John 17. His prayer may not obtain to you but it does for me.

I not here to hand you candy on a stick, I'm here to tell you who you are supposed to be in God just as Jesus tried to do. That decision is in your hands, not Pauls not Johns, not Peters, not I not, Jesus, but God Himself be your sourse.

Is Gods hand so short that He cannot give to you His gift for life of Love to live Himself?
Why does that so upset you that you would write these things against who Jesus said we should be and trying to justify your own ideas about a god instead?

 

[Doug]

To 'see' the Kingdom of GOD in Heaven, not Davidic kingdom on earth which is history.

It's the future prophetic kingdom in which believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years

 

[Doug]

And before His ascension, He commissioned the 12, to likewise make disciples of all nation with the same Gospel.

He commissioned them to teach all nations.....they gave this uo in Galatians 2 when they decided to just go to the Jews..........this commission will be fulfilled in the earthly kingdom by the resurrected disciples

 

[Gary Mac]

It's the future prophetic kingdom in which believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years

Actually Jesus had it right in Luke 17:20-21. the kingdom of God does not come with observation it is with you, or is supposed to be.

 

[ScottA]

My self centered defense? All I do is copy and past who Jesus said he was in God and that you should have the same. it isnt I who is rejecting so great a salvation that Jesus presents to us all to walk as he did in the Father.

If what Jesus said is incorrect, take up your issue with him, not I.

Jesus is not thew only way to the Father, Jesus was the only way in the Father that we receive from God Himself just as Jesus did proven in Matt 3:16 that obviously you cant comprehend?

The only limit placed on God is the one you impose on Him. As for me He has fulll range over my spiritual and mortal man.

The order of the day god says be as I Am and walk in it.


Paul is not my source God is. You are not my source, John, Peter Jams, is not my source. God Himself is my source and so was God Jesus course and stated clearly in this that I will coolly and past of him who his source was. It wasnt Paul or any other man now was it?

If your source is Paul, then so be it, Paul could be wrong, but God Hi8mself cannot be wrong can He?

And you still havent answered who was this source Jesus spoke of? I know why you won't answer, and so do you.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.





is it the same glory of God that Jim Jones and David Koresh, or Warren Jeffs gave to God? Did they have it right?

I do not trust in what man says about a god nor did Jesus trust any man. It is better for me to hear from God Himself just as it was better for Jesus to hear from God Himself.

try and consider why that is so difficult for you to understand that you would need man to teach their own ideas about a god. Try seeking the kingdom of God first and His righteousness instead of what another says about Him.


I speak against God for Jesus when it is very clear that I speak as they do, copy and past who they said we should be in the same?

You are missing that intimacy with the Father in yourself, and rely on what man says about Him instead of.


it isnt up to me to clarify anything concerning God, it is top to you to receive clarity from God Himself instead of what man has to say about Him.

Think of why that is so difficult for you to understand that God is the way, not man.


Accusing you? You are very clear that Paul or others are your way.

Jesus was very clear that if we are like he was in the father we would be treated the same as he was.


Unaware to not be as the Father of it and not walk as he walks in His same disposition of mind, Spirit, Perfect even as He is perfect, holy pure and without sin.

If that is against your doctrine then if I was you I would reexamine who you are to be the same as Jesus was in the father as he stated that you should be and would be IF, that you refuse to answer, who was this Jesus spoke of that he could do noting at all without who sent him?

Are you separate from the very same testimony that Jesus gave of himself and his God? Obviously something about who Jesus said he was in God goads your own beliefs for a god or you would be saying amen instead of your rebuttal against who Jesus said he was in God and that you must have the same if you are to be o f His kingdom.

It isnt I who is without! He in me and I in Him are one, just as Jesus prayed to our God for me to be in John 17. His prayer may not obtain to you but it does for me.

I not here to hand you candy on a stick, I'm here to tell you who you are supposed to be in God just as Jesus tried to do. That decision is in your hands, not Pauls not Johns, not Peters, not I not, Jesus, but God Himself be your sourse.

Is Gods hand so short that He cannot give to you His gift for life of Love to live Himself?
Why does that so upset you that you would write these things against who Jesus said we should be and trying to justify your own ideas about a god instead?

Like I said, much of what you have said is good and true. But so was what Satan said in the garden. He cut and pasted too.

Here's the thing... You have so described your way--even as God's way--as directly from God, that you describe you as an asexual attempt at cloning you as Christ-like, that it is not "in Christ", but strictly of and in the Father, even alienating many whom He has sent for specific purposes--His purposes. And such a narrow minded strictness of way, is now of no good service during these times.

I mean, to be Christ-like is good and everything one should aspire to be so--and yes, He was nothing without the Father, and that goes for us as well. But you have so immersed yourself in that one effort--as I said--you have missed the foretold finish. Your vehement walk--though it is good--has blinded you to the things God is now doing...so much so, that you are now speaking against what is written of these times.

If you had actually been walking in the fullness you describe, you would have known all this.

 

[Gary Mac]

Like I said, much of what you have said is good and true. But so was what Satan said in the garden. He cut and pasted too.

I understand. but understanding that comes only by having the mind of Christ, Gods anointing, eliminates everything one thinks about it from their own perspectives. And either you see it as God sees it or you see it in a light different from Him.

And yes most as in denominations has their own interpretations of it just as you are doing. Truth is in what is written that I am identified with, not what I believe about them.

Here's the thing... You have so described your way--even as God's way

Agreed, His way is to have the same mind in me who was in Christ Jesus. His way is my way for sure.

--as directly from God,

There is no other way of the Father no matter what you think or say.

that you describe you as an asexual attempt at cloning you as Christ-like, that it is not "in Christ",

It isnt in Christ if you are not Gods anointed one as He puts with ma. As of me He in me and I in Him are one. just as Jesus prayed for me to be in John 17. Seems that isnt good enough for you?

but strictly of and in the Father, even alienating many whom He has sent for specific purposes--His purposes. And such a narrow minded strictness of way, is now of no good service during these times.

Gods ways is very narrow, and only one way to Him. Any deviation from having His same mind as your own is a different path one has taken away from His.

I mean, to be Christ-like is good

Paramount in Gods eyes.

and everything one should aspire to be so--and yes, He was nothing without the Father, and that goes for us as well. But you have so immersed yourself in that one effort

It wasnt an effort at all, it was a gift that openly received from God Himself in obedience to Him.

--as I said--you have missed the foretold finish.

Only to those who do not know what that finished product to be in Gods same image is.

Your vehement walk--though it is good--has blinded you to the things God is now doing...so much so, that you are now speaking against what is written of these times.

Quite contrary for God Himself opens it all for who He is and all of His heaven in us all who will let Him. The only reason it may be blind to you is from lack of the same from God who makes us His finished product, perfect Evan as my Father in heaven is perfect as is commanded of me. May not be commanded of you in Matt 5:48 but it is for me.

If you had actually been walking in the fullness you describe, you would have known all this.

Had you have the same Spirit of God who was in Christ Jesus in you, you to would relate to the same in the Father in yourself and you would walk in the same power of His Love that God is.

You are making your god into your own image is all. Dictating to him who he is, what he is, what he can and cannot do. Your own iniquities to be that person of Christ that God makes man to be in His same image is far from your understanding, so obvious win your rebuttals to be as Jesus was in the Father.

And you still didnt answer, who was this Jesus spoke of in himself? And go to the Father for yourself and He will give you the same as He gave Jesus.

The truth is you do not believe Jesus in any of this for who you are supposed to be as he was in God. For if you did you would answer in truths instead of trying to avoid it.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

 

[Webers_Home]

the kingdom of God does not come with observation

The Greek word translated "observation" basically has to do with anticipating
calendar events, for example:

● Acts 1:6-7 . . So when they met together, they asked him: Lord, are you
at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel? He said to them: It is
not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own
authority.

I just recently completed a chapter by chapter, verse by verse, study of
Micah's prophecy and from what I gathered, the kingdom is not yet a
political force either in the land of Israel nor anywhere else in this world
of ours.

It is my conclusion then, that we shouldn't allow Luke 17:20-21 to annul
the possibility that Jesus will one day return to the earth in person to take
David's throne and ultimately rule the world.
_

 

[ScottA]

And yes most as in denominations has their own interpretations of it just as you are doing.

Perhaps taking one point at a time is necessary.

To be clear: I am not interpreting.

 

[ScottA]

It isnt in Christ if you are not Gods anointed one as He puts with ma. As of me He in me and I in Him are one. just as Jesus prayed for me to be in John 17. Seems that isnt good enough for you?

You broke up my sentence. It was all one point--that unlike the whole word of God, you have presented your existence as sidestepping Jesus to go directly to the Father. I'm just reading back what you presented.

 

[ScottA]

Gods ways is very narrow, and only one way to Him. Any deviation from having His same mind as your own is a different path one has taken away from His.

So then, sidestepping Jesus and going direct to the Father?

You have said a lot about Jesus, but no much more than as someone beside you on your own personal way to the Father...even if you were charitable enough to say Jesus was an example.

 

[ScottA]

It wasnt an effort at all, it was a gift that openly received from God Himself in obedience to Him.

Scratch that: Replace "effort" with "endeavor." (Semantics)

 

[ScottA]

Only to those who do not know what that finished product to be in Gods same image is.

I was not referring to the finish of you or other people, but the foretold finish of God during and for these times. Which is huge, and again you missed it...not that I should expect anything different--it has been missed for 2,000 years. And me? I was not arguing with you, just pointing out what many have been blind to (by God) all this time. That too, was a gift.

 

[Gary Mac]

The Greek word translated "observation" basically has to do with anticipating
calendar events, for example:

● Acts 1:6-7 . . So when they met together, they asked him: Lord, are you
at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel? He said to them: It is
not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own
authority.

I just recently completed a chapter by chapter, verse by verse, study of
Micah's prophecy and from what I gathered, the kingdom is not yet a
political force either in the land of Israel nor anywhere else in this world
of ours.

It is my conclusion then, that we shouldn't allow Luke 17:20-21 to annul
the possibility that Jesus will one day return to the earth in person to take
David's throne and ultimately rule the world.
_

 

[ScottA]

Quite contrary for God Himself opens it all for who He is and all of His heaven in us all who will let Him. The only reason it may be blind to you is from lack of the same from God who makes us His finished product, perfect Evan as my Father in heaven is perfect as is commanded of me. May not be commanded of you in Matt 5:48 but it is for me.

More misconception of what the here and now finish is (as written). And again, you refer to yourself, and accuse me.

 

[Gary Mac]

Actually it means that God who is a Spirit and His kingdom is Spirit, cant be seen with your mortal eyes, only spiritual is it is discerned.
Jesus was very clear to Thomas that Spirit that God is does not have flesh and bone as you see me. You are looking for a kingdom of God that doesnt exist.

You only make excuses that you may see a kingdom that is not within you as Jesus said His kingdom resides within in Luke 17:20-21.

As for me I do allow what Jesus said of Gods kingdom and where it is with in me, he was spot on in that assesment. But I do understand why you do not believe Jesus in what he said. You would have to have the same in you to understand what Jesus is tying to convey to you.

And instead of studying verse by verse for what Micah said and forming your own opinions about it, you might try studying what Jesus said verse by verse, you might find out he was right in who you are supposed to be as he was in the Father.

 

[ScottA]

Had you have the same Spirit of God who was in Christ Jesus in you, you to would relate to the same in the Father in yourself and you would walk in the same power of His Love that God is.

You are making your god into your own image is all. Dictating to him who he is, what he is, what he can and cannot do. Your own iniquities to be that person of Christ that God makes man to be in His same image is far from your understanding, so obvious win your rebuttals to be as Jesus was in the Father.

And you still didnt answer, who was this Jesus spoke of in himself? And go to the Father for yourself and He will give you the same as He gave Jesus.

The truth is you do not believe Jesus in any of this for who you are supposed to be as he was in God. For if you did you would answer in truths instead of trying to avoid it.

Tit for tat, and more accusations. All because you have not heard the more in God that was foretold, but apparently stopped when you yourself were satisfied.

And no, I have not answered your question--because it is a trick question. But if you were not blinded by your own doctrinal agenda, you would have heard Him in me, elaborating what He, God has written for these times. You had your answer--from God--but did not perceive it.

 

[Gary Mac]

More misconception of what the here and now finish is (as written). And again, you refer to yourself, and accuse me.

Im not accusing you of anything, you are very clear in your beliefs for a god.

As for me Gods kingdom is here and now, I suppose you will wait for another 2000 years for it to manifest as all of these millions have done before us that they went to a grave never seeing the One knocking at your door this day waiting for you to let Him come to you this very day? Rev 3:20.

You listen to man instead of God. He would come to you and sup with you and be in you, but that isnt going to happen is it?

And I am not accusing you of anything, Im not your judge at all, you are your own judge whether you are like the God of it and in His same spiritual image that He is and perfect even as God in heaven is perfect. Where is His heaven, His Temple, His kingdom? Luke 17:20-21. But obviously not in you according to your judgment of Jesus and myself. to you it is a historical place instead just as you say it was.

 

[Lizbeth]

John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

To see the kingdom of God a man must be born again.

The kingdom being spoken of is the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth, in which, Christ will reign along with the believing remnant, the Israel of God (Exodus 19:5-6 Luke 12:32 Psalm 22:28 Galatians 6:16).

To enter into the kingdom a man must be born of water and of the Spirit. Israel had to believe on the name of Jesus; believe he was the Messiah, the Son of God (John 20:31 1 John 5:13). Jesus is saying that Israel had to repent and confess their sins as a nation and each one be water baptized and receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

The Holy Spirit, under the fulfillment of the new covenant, will cleanse Israel with water and put a new spirit in them; he will cause them to walk in his statutes, keep his judgments, and do them (Ezekiel 36:24-28).

Jesus in saying "Ye must be born again" speaks of the nation of Israel.

These things speak to the Jew first, then the Gentile.

And Jesus was correcting the wrong belief and mindset of the Jews when He told them His kingdom comes not with observation that you may say lo here it is or there, but His kingdom is within us (Luk 17:20-21). A belief in an earthly king and earthly utopian kingdom was a major factor in them rejecting Him as Messiah.