Gary Mac
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Ironic is He is at peoples door knocking this very hour, Rev 3:20, and they refuse to open it to let Him come to you and sup with your and be in you in favor of their own beliefs about Him.
JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN
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Gary Mac
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Yes begotten, born of God. And we all who is born of God as Jesus was in Matt 3:16 are His righteous, cannot sin, impossible to be in sin because we are born of God just as Jesus was. 1 John 3"9. We are perfect even as our father is perfect that we ar ar born of by the same Spirit of God as Jesus was. Matt 5:48.
Nope.
That's not what scripture/God said in the passage you are quoting.
Yoḥanan (John) 3:3 TS2009
[3] יהושע answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born from above, he is unable to see the reign of Elohim.”
Yoḥanan (John) 3:3 (TS2009) - יהושע answered and said to him, “Tr | YouVersion
יהושע answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born from above, he is unable to see the reign of Elohim.”
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This translation is clearer.
Meaning Israel WAS not chosen to see the reign of Jesus/God.
Meaning because Nicodemus could see, that meant he was one of the Born from Above Caste. Israel was a Caste based society. Each Caste was unique and had privileges/responsibilities that went along with each Caste.
Don't murder the scriptures to further an incorrect translation of the scriptures.
Being born anew to a new purpose is a metaphor Paul uses for Gentiles/goyim....not Jews. Jews were born into knowing the Torah. Living lifestyles that were in keeping with Jewish Law. The Gentiles were not.
Lifestyle is/was crucial in your ancestry. It's part of a Caste based culture. You couldn't become a Levite just because you wanted to be one.
Yes Gentiles will enter the earthly Davidic kingdom but "neither Jews or Gentiles" is from Paul talking about the church, the Body of Christ, not the Davidic kingdom
Gary Mac
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I totally agree with you in that it doesnt mean to you that God will come to you and sup with you and be in you and give you His same Spirit of mind as He did in these mentioned because you have a different way for your own god that you have created to suit your own understanding, aside from His.
Amen and born from above is described by Jesus in Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation but is with you, but obviously not in you by your own doctrine for your own god.Yoḥanan (John) 3:3 TS2009
[3] יהושע answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born from above, he is unable to see the reign of Elohim.”
Yoḥanan (John) 3:3 (TS2009) - יהושע answered and said to him, “Tr | YouVersion
יהושע answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born from above, he is unable to see the reign of Elohim.”bible.com
Every person is chosen by God to be like Him and in His same image, He excludes no one from having His same Spirit of mind that is Holy, Pure, and without sin. He takes away the sins of this world. 1 John 3 and when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him as well, 1 John 3:2.
You however have biased choices who you think is worthy and who isnt, making yourself a god to make those choices.
So are all denominations today a based cased society, all of these has made their own laws to govern their beliefs for a god. Which one is right, Catholics, Mormons, Jews, Jehovah witness, Baptists, Pentecostals, AOGs, COCs, Muslims, and that list goes one they all have their own bylaws to govern their gods and none of them can agree anything about their gods and argue about it instead of being as the same God Jesus was of and in His same image that He creates man to be spiritually.
All of these caste societies Hindus or otherwise refuse to receive from God the same as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 is all.
I won't ,I will copy and past to you who Jesus said he was in God and that you should have the very same from God. You can hack them as I know that you will.
Tell us plainly who this was Jesus spoke of in himself and his God who sent him without editing in your own ideas about it that if you would go to the Father as Jesus said that He will give you the very same. Tell us plainly who this was Jesus spoke of that you are supposed to be like as well. But I already know that you won't or cant.
Now we will hear your rebuttal with who Jesus said he was in God and you would have the very same IF.
John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.
John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me
John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you
John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.
Jesus is the one said ye must be born again with that same renewing of mind that he received from God in Matt 3:16 when God opened up who He is and all of His heaven in that man. John 3;3, not Paul.
And John 3:7 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.The ...
Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation it is with you or is supposed to be. And either you live it or you dont and have other ideas for a kingdom that you have developed for your beliefs for a god that you have created in your own image that you can control to obey your own beliefs for a god.
The kingdom of God that Jesus was of and I am of is Love and is our own Spirit, it is who we are not what we try and be by the laws that you try and impose on me. I walk as He walks in His same light of Love, It is who I am not what others think I should be like them such as yourself. As for me God who simple is Love and man is the temple of Him has the better way than all the regulatory laws that dictated to their gods who he is and what his and what he should be in their own ideas, images.
Jesus was freed from the very laws of the Jews in Matt 3:16 and those very laws he was once rabbi of even from a young age, Jesus became sin by the things those laws accused him of as a blasphemer that he suffers because of those laws of man.
You are trying to convince me and the God of Love that was in Jesus and in me that He has it all wrong.
My ancestry is God is my Father and I am His child His son and Jesus was my brother for we have the same Father who is God, and has His same Spirit of Love.
Gary Mac
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Only if they receive in them this day the same One Jesus received in Matt 3:16, The One who is knocking at their door this very day bnwaiting for them to open it and let Him in where he will come to them and sup with them and be in them. Rev 3:20.
And as for me I do not follow Pauls doctrine, I follow Jesus doctrine in who he said he was in God.
If you dont follow Paul you are NOT following Jesus....................[1Co 11:1 KJV] 1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.
If you dont follow Paul you are disobedient to the Lord.........................[1Co 14:37 KJV] 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
Gary Mac
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Jesus taught me to go to God for myself and He will give it me he said the same of you.
John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
You act as if Jesus needed Paul to teach him LOL. Jesus needed no man teach him nor does anyone else who has received from God the same as he did in Matt 3:16. God is my source just as He was Jesus source.
If I follow Paul instead of God then I am disobedient to him. Even Jesus obeyed the same God as I and Said he could do notions at all without his God who sent him.
You are Pauline, not christian.
Jim Jones, David Koresh, Warren Jeffs, said the same things. As for me God Himself has the right way and Jesus can only lead yo to the same Spirit who was in Christ Jesus be in you.
Paul is your god that is very obvious. And Pauls doctrine worked for you as in 2 Cor 12:16 Be that as it may, I have not been a burden to you. Yet, crafty fellow that I am, I caught you by trickery!
I dont See Jesus using that doctrine from himself. Trickery is soothsaying, witchcraft, and obviously he has tricked yo into following him instead of the ways Jesus teaches for you to be like him in the Father, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect and I would guess that you follow Pauls doctrine for the law for adoption instead of being born of God yourself. And we who are born of God are perfect as He is and cannot sin impossible to be in sin because we are born of God. 1 John 3:9. And I would bet that you follow Pauls doctrine that you are just a dirty ole sinner not worthy of the kingdom of God instead of being the righteousness of God in His anointing, Christ in you.
And I doing See Jesus having a thorn in his flesh which was Pauls desire to be exalted for his abundance of revelations, otherwise have his name on the marque, in fact when I read of Jesus it was just the opposite, for when he would do a certain thing he would tell them go and tell no one then dissapere though the crowd undetected.
As for me Jesus has the better way for e, and obviously for you Pauls opinions has the better way.
Ronald Nolette
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Well I guess you do not wish to see either teh millennial kingdom or the eternal kingdom by saying gentiles do not need to be born again. You need to study hermeneutics and practice sound exegesis.
Jesus did not say a Jew must be born again, He said humans must be born again. You are limiting humans to just the Jewish race. I think jesus is way smarter than you and would have said Jews only if He meant Jews only.
So now you are also excluding the teachings of Peter as applying to gentiles as well? Will you exclude Romans to all non Italians as well? After all I am not of Roman ancestry?
Ronald Nolette
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Romans 6, 2 cor. 5 et.al. He said our old man is now dead and we are a new creature. We were dead spiritually as per Eph. 2 and now we are alive. born anew or born from above which is the correct translation of "gennao anothen".
Ronald Nolette
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Look at teh words of Jesus:
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Already dealt with verse 3 (born from above)
Jesus said one must be born of water (naturally) and of the Spirit(spiritually)
Verse 6 people are all born of the flesh.
and Paul in Romans 8 says those in the flesh cannot please God!
those born of the Spirit are the new man, the new creature and made alive by the Spirit.
Paul also said if you do not have the spirit you do not belong to god.
Keep verse 3 in its context.
Just because Jesus was talking to a Jew does not restrict it to just Jews, any more than Paul speaking to a roman restricts what he says to Romans.
Nope, wrong again.
You really know less than nothing about me.
But we will know who is saved by their fruits.
No I meant where does Paul use the exact words born again, Jesus did, you cant use other words to say they mean born again or use your Bible translation of words
If we needed to be born again for eternal life Paul should make it known....why doesnt he ever apply being born again to us?
Gary Mac
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Amen and Jesus was Rabbi of the Jewish laws until he was born again of God in Matt 3:16, then the very ones who once reverend his knowledge of their laws for a god eben from a young age are the very ones who had him crucified for blaspheme after he was born again by God Himself renewing his mind to think in Gods terms instead of laws to regulate a belief about a god.
And we are not exempt from received from God the very thing as Jesus did who renewed God Spirit of mind to think in Gods terms instead of the of that religious belief he was teacher of as rabbi.
amigo de christo
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Paul is not His God , pauline is my friend .
Many follow these other versions of a peter , or a paul , or a james
AND they sure do follow another jesus too .
JUST NOT THE TRUTH they wrote . Paul would have rebuked this pauline doctrine right outta any church he dared
to see preaching it .
James and paul DID NOT contradict each other , nor did peter , nor did john , jude
AND NONE of them contradicted CHRIST JESUS . Thems holy Spirit inspired words they wrote .
And beleive you me , the SPIRIT DONT contradict CHRIST . Things have not been going good in Christendome
for a very long time . And now in this last generation
the delusion of all delusions under the guise it is love and is of God has come to unite THE DECIEVED of christendom
WITH ALL the DECIEVED FALSE RELIGOINS . Things have went from bad to worse real fast too .
I seen rainbows
I Seen korans and budda statues getting kissing .
I see even IMAMS coming into churches TO ACTUALLY TEACH them what we all have in common .
I SEE A MASSIVE DELUSION is what i BE a SEEING and many seem to love it too .
amigo de christo
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He who giveth LIFE and was before even creation was and by HIM were all things created
DIDNT NEED to be born again . The WORD simply was given a body of flesh .
To do what man could not do for himself .
No angel could have done so either .
TRULY TRULY i say to us all , ONLY GOD could have saved HIS own creation .
A high priest without blemish ON THE INSIDE . You wont find that IN ANY man .
But then JESUS was before man was and by HIM were all THINGS created . Let that soak in for a bit .
Gary Mac
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I know your thoughts even before you post them.
Now that is the truth. Either you walk as Jesus did in the Father and he said you would if you have the same from his Father, Anointed of God, which would be Christ in you, with the same signs following you, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, Matt 5:48. holy, pure, and without sin and even greater works than Jesus did as Jesus said we would.
Worked for me, and it worked for Jesus.
It isnt hard to see who has, and who does not have that same salvation Jesus experienced from God Himself in Matt 3:16.
And I know your thoughts even before you reply to this post. You will are thinking, mow what greater works have I done. How many hasve I healed, how many have I raised from the dead. Im right aren't I! So you see I know you and who you are a lot better than you know yourself.
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