John 6 Was Jesus speaking literally

[Stumpmaster]

It's an observation nothing more. Three times Jesus says "eat my flesh and drink my blood" and calls it REAL food and drink but you know better.

Did anyone ever go cannibal and eat the physical flesh and drink the physical blood of Christ? No!.

 

[ProDeo]

Ad hom fallacy noted.

Those who need insults to make a point, have no point.

 

[nedsk]

Christ was speaking spiritually! Not fleshly!
If ya know? Ya know!
If ya don't know? Stay tuned!

Christ was speaking spiritually! Not fleshly!
If ya know? Ya know!
If ya don't know? Stay tuned!

No one in that event thought so. Say "eat my flesh and drink my blood" 3 times and calling REAL food and drink is peculiar "spiritual" language.

You need to tune in

 

[nedsk]

Did anyone ever go cannibal and eat the physical flesh and drink the physical blood of Christ? No!.

It's amazing how simply some people's mind work.

 

[nedsk]

Jesus would have used the same words.

...Of course the fact the He would have never said it literally--to be clear--goes without saying.

But he did say it literally.

 

[ScottA]

But he did say it literally.

Time to explain yourself.

 

[nedsk]

Time to explain yourself.

I don't need to Jesus spoke for me. Three times Jesus says "eat my flesh drink my blood" then declares they are REAL food and REAL drink. That's particular "spiritual" language.

Why would Jesus ask in verse 61 "Does this shock you?" if he was speaking spiritually or figuratively? Why would disciples leave him if he was speaking spiritually or figuratively?

And why would Jesus ask the apostles if they wanted to leave. Clearly Jesus knew the apostles were thinking the same thing as the people that left,notherwise the question is completely nonsensical. And dont try the "You have the words of eternal life" response from Peter. Jesus had just spoken the words you can't accept.

 

[ScottA]

I don't need to Jesus spoke for me. Three times Jesus says "eat my flesh drink my blood" then declares they are REAL food and REAL drink. That's particular "spiritual" language.

Why would Jesus ask in verse 61 "Does this shock you?" if he was speaking spiritually or figuratively? Why would disciples leave him if he was speaking spiritually or figuratively?

And why would Jesus ask the apostles if they wanted to leave. Clearly Jesus knew the apostles were thinking the same thing as the people that left,notherwise the question is completely nonsensical. And dont try the "You have the words of eternal life" response from Peter. Jesus had just spoken the words you can't accept.

That is a lot of questions, which you vaughly answered. What is your own answer to all your questions? Enough beating around the bush, please state your position.

 

[nedsk]

That is a lot of questions, which you vaughly answered. What is your own answer to all your questions? Enough beating around the bush, please state your position.

I have stated my position. You don't seem to grasp it. That's not my problem. Now answer the questions I don't care. Theres only ONE of two things I need from you evidence that you possess the authoritative understanding of Scripture OR evidence that what you believe in this regard existed before the 1500s. Just one! I'll wait here

 

[ScottA]

I have stated my position. You don't seem to grasp it. That's not my problem. Now answer the questions I don't care. Theres only ONE of two things I need from you evidence that you possess the authoritative understanding of Scripture OR evidence that what you believe in this regard existed before the 1500s. Just one! I'll wait here

You have not been clear. But I was clear in answering.

 

[nedsk]

You have not been clear. But I was clear in answering.

No you weren't but we are last that. I will ask AGAIN to show evidence that you have either the authoritative understanding of God word OR that anything you believe was taught by the church before the 1500s. Can you do either of those? Yes or no? You're a noisy gong

 

[ScottA]

No you weren't but we are last that. I will ask AGAIN to show evidence that you have either the authoritative understanding of God word OR that anything you believe was taught by the church before the 1500s. Can you do either of those? Yes or no? You're a noisy gong

By the same measure I will give my answer: My evidence and authority are written as are my witnesses. Which I have not hidden. But if you do not believe--as it is with all who do not believe--you will have to wait. Tell me then: Where is it written of me, and who are my witnesses?

 

[nedsk]

By the same measure I will give my answer: My evidence and authority are written as are my witnesses. Which I have not hidden. But if you do not believe--as it is with all who do not believe--you will have to wait. Tell me then: Where is it written of me, and who are my witnesses?

I have to say that's probably the best non answer to question I've seen in a long time. Things aren't try just because you speak them. Please tell you understand that. Lienif you have to.

Look for 1500 years no one in Christiandom taught the silliness you're peddling here. I know why you can't accept that. It's a major blow to a belief system that you have built your life around. You think it's "catholic" and based on that alone you rail against it. Only one church can even begin to trace it's roots back to the apotlstle and whether you like it or not it's not your church.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I thought this thread would die but I see it still limps

Is the Op ready to answer? Why do you take Jesus literally concerning 7 words. But reject all the rest he said about the bread from heaven

I ask again, why did Jesus lie

why do you take the command literally. but refuse to take the result literally?

The words of Jesus


27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, ,

Command – Labor for this food that Jesus came to give

Result – The food will endure forever


33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

What is this food?

He who comes down from heaven

Result – Life is offered to the world


35: “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

Jesus is the one who came down from heaven He is the bread of life

Command: Come to him –

Result. You will never hunger

Command – Believe

Result – Never thirst


the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

Command – Come to me

Result – You will never be cast out


39: that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

Fact – All who are given to God

Result – Will never be lost, and will be raised on the last day


40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Command – See and believe

Result – You will live forever and you will be raised on the last day


47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes [j]in Me has everlasting life.

Command – Believe in him

Result – You will live forever (eternal life)


50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.

Command – Eat the bread

Result – you will never die

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever;

Command – Eat this bread

Result – Live forever


and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”


What is this bread? My life I give

Result – Life of the world


53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.

Command – Fail to eat the flesh and blood (the bread)

Result – you have no life in you (your dead)


54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

Command – Eat my flesh and blood (the bread)

Result – You will live forever (eternal life) and you will be raised on the last day


56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

Command Eat my flesh and drink my bood

Result – You will abide in him, and he will abide in you. As he lives you will live also


57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.

Command – Feed on him

Result – You will live


58: He who eats this bread will live forever.”.

Command – Eat this bread

Result – You will live forever


Jesus came to give life. He said whoever eats this bread (feeds on him ) will get life. So what is it that gives life?

Jesus answers this also

62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus said he was the bread sent down from heave

• Jesus asked, what if you see him ascend back to heaven (which many of them would in the future after his death)
• The thing that gives life (the food, the bread, the flesh and blood) is given by the spirit.
• The food which gives life ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPEAKS as given by the spirit

 

[nedsk]

I thought this thread would die but I see it still limps

Is the Op ready to answer? Why do you take Jesus literally concerning 7 words. But reject all the rest he said about the bread from heaven

I ask again, why did Jesus lie

why do you take the command literally. but refuse to take the result literally?

The words of Jesus


27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, ,

Command – Labor for this food that Jesus came to give

Result – The food will endure forever


33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

What is this food?

He who comes down from heaven

Result – Life is offered to the world


35: “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

Jesus is the one who came down from heaven He is the bread of life

Command: Come to him –

Result. You will never hunger

Command – Believe

Result – Never thirst


the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

Command – Come to me

Result – You will never be cast out


39: that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

Fact – All who are given to God

Result – Will never be lost, and will be raised on the last day


40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Command – See and believe

Result – You will live forever and you will be raised on the last day


47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes [j]in Me has everlasting life.

Command – Believe in him

Result – You will live forever (eternal life)


50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.

Command – Eat the bread

Result – you will never die

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever;

Command – Eat this bread

Result – Live forever


and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”


What is this bread? My life I give

Result – Life of the world


53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.

Command – Fail to eat the flesh and blood (the bread)

Result – you have no life in you (your dead)


54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

Command – Eat my flesh and blood (the bread)

Result – You will live forever (eternal life) and you will be raised on the last day


56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

Command Eat my flesh and drink my bood

Result – You will abide in him, and he will abide in you. As he lives you will live also


57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.

Command – Feed on him

Result – You will live


58: He who eats this bread will live forever.”.

Command – Eat this bread

Result – You will live forever


Jesus came to give life. He said whoever eats this bread (feeds on him ) will get life. So what is it that gives life?

Jesus answers this also

62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus said he was the bread sent down from heave

• Jesus asked, what if you see him ascend back to heaven (which many of them would in the future after his death)
• The thing that gives life (the food, the bread, the flesh and blood) is given by the spirit.
• The food which gives life ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPEAKS as given by the spirit

Your problem is two fold. One you also believe in the osas buffoonery. The other is your too prideful to let it go so the thread "still limps". You STILL haven't shown evidence for authoritative understanding of Scripture. Once you do so maybe things will change.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Your problem is two fold. One you also believe in the osas buffoonery. The other is your too prideful to let it go so the thread "still limps". You STILL haven't shown evidence for authoritative understanding of Scripture. Once you do so maybe things will change.

These sort of ad hom fallacies have no substance in logic, and are not "real food" such as the spiritual nourishment obtained from Jesus,

He spoke about “real food” in ways that upended conventional definitions—He redefined nourishment not just as physical sustenance, but as spiritual, eternal, and relational. His teachings on food are layered with metaphor, mystery, and mission.

“Real Food” as Spiritual Nourishment​

In John 6, after feeding the 5,000, Jesus declares:

“Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life…” (John 6:27)
“I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever.” (John 6:51)

He contrasts perishable food with eternal sustenance, offering himself as the true bread. This leads to the provocative statement:

“My flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.” (John 6:55)

Here, “real food” is not agricultural or culinary—it’s sacramental, pointing to the Eucharist and the mystery of communion with Christ.

Word as Nourishment​

In Matthew 4:4, during his wilderness temptation, Jesus says:

“Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.”

This reframes “real food” as divine speech—the Word of God as sustenance for the soul. It’s a callback to manna in the wilderness, but with a deeper emphasis on dependence and trust.

Purity Over Diet​

In Matthew 15:11, Jesus challenges dietary legalism:

“It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out…”

He shifts the focus from ritual purity to moral integrity, suggesting that “real food” is not about what’s kosher, but what’s transformative.

Meals as Ministry​

Jesus often used meals to enact grace:

• He dined with sinners and tax collectors (Luke 5:29–32).
• He multiplied loaves and fish to feed multitudes (Mark 6:30–44).
• He instituted the Last Supper as a covenant meal (Luke 22:19–20).

Food becomes a symbol of inclusion, abundance, and covenant—a way to embody the Kingdom of God.

Real Food as Scandal and Invitation​

His claim that his flesh is real food caused many disciples to leave (John 6:66). But to those who stayed, it became a gateway to deeper intimacy.

 

[ScottA]

I have to say that's probably the best non answer to question I've seen in a long time. Things aren't try just because you speak them. Please tell you understand that. Lienif you have to.

Look for 1500 years no one in Christiandom taught the silliness you're peddling here. I know why you can't accept that. It's a major blow to a belief system that you have built your life around. You think it's "catholic" and based on that alone you rail against it. Only one church can even begin to trace it's roots back to the apotlstle and whether you like it or not it's not your church.

What "silliness", what "belief system" and what's "my church?"

 

[nedsk]

These sort of ad hom fallacies have no substance in logic, and are not "real food" such as the spiritual nourishment obtained from Jesus,

He spoke about “real food” in ways that upended conventional definitions—He redefined nourishment not just as physical sustenance, but as spiritual, eternal, and relational. His teachings on food are layered with metaphor, mystery, and mission.

“Real Food” as Spiritual Nourishment​

In John 6, after feeding the 5,000, Jesus declares:


He contrasts perishable food with eternal sustenance, offering himself as the true bread. This leads to the provocative statement:



Here, “real food” is not agricultural or culinary—it’s sacramental, pointing to the Eucharist and the mystery of communion with Christ.

Word as Nourishment​

In Matthew 4:4, during his wilderness temptation, Jesus says:



This reframes “real food” as divine speech—the Word of God as sustenance for the soul. It’s a callback to manna in the wilderness, but with a deeper emphasis on dependence and trust.

Purity Over Diet​

In Matthew 15:11, Jesus challenges dietary legalism:



He shifts the focus from ritual purity to moral integrity, suggesting that “real food” is not about what’s kosher, but what’s transformative.

Meals as Ministry​

Jesus often used meals to enact grace:

• He dined with sinners and tax collectors (Luke 5:29–32).
• He multiplied loaves and fish to feed multitudes (Mark 6:30–44).
• He instituted the Last Supper as a covenant meal (Luke 22:19–20).

Food becomes a symbol of inclusion, abundance, and covenant—a way to embody the Kingdom of God.

Real Food as Scandal and Invitation​

His claim that his flesh is real food caused many disciples to leave (John 6:66). But to those who stayed, it became a gateway to deeper intimacy.

It doesnt say "spiritual nourishment" it doesn't say words as nourishment. Those are your terms. Are you anymore inclined than the others to show that you have the authoritative understanding of Scripture?

 

[nedsk]

What "silliness", what "belief system" and what's "my church?"

Let's start slowly. AGAIN you don't believe Jesus is speaking literally in John 6. Correct or incorrect?

 

[Hillsage]

These sort of ad hom fallacies have no substance in logic, and are not "real food" such as the spiritual nourishment obtained from Jesus,

He spoke about “real food” in ways that upended conventional definitions—He redefined nourishment not just as physical sustenance, but as spiritual, eternal, and relational. His teachings on food are layered with metaphor, mystery, and mission.

“Real Food” as Spiritual Nourishment​

In John 6, after feeding the 5,000, Jesus declares:


He contrasts perishable food with eternal sustenance, offering himself as the true bread. This leads to the provocative statement:



Here, “real food” is not agricultural or culinary—it’s sacramental, pointing to the Eucharist and the mystery of communion with Christ.

Word as Nourishment​

In Matthew 4:4, during his wilderness temptation, Jesus says:



This reframes “real food” as divine speech—the Word of God as sustenance for the soul. It’s a callback to manna in the wilderness, but with a deeper emphasis on dependence and trust.

Purity Over Diet​

In Matthew 15:11, Jesus challenges dietary legalism:



He shifts the focus from ritual purity to moral integrity, suggesting that “real food” is not about what’s kosher, but what’s transformative.

Meals as Ministry​

Jesus often used meals to enact grace:

• He dined with sinners and tax collectors (Luke 5:29–32).
• He multiplied loaves and fish to feed multitudes (Mark 6:30–44).
• He instituted the Last Supper as a covenant meal (Luke 22:19–20).

Food becomes a symbol of inclusion, abundance, and covenant—a way to embody the Kingdom of God.

Real Food as Scandal and Invitation​

His claim that his flesh is real food caused many disciples to leave (John 6:66). But to those who stayed, it became a gateway to deeper intimacy.

It "limps" because there is too much fundaMENTALism and not enough fundaSPIRITUALism.

JOH 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the TRUE/alethinos bread from heaven.

0228 alethinos: truthful

I don't physically EAT "truthful bread".