John Calvin and Calvinism.

[Abigail]

Here is one example of Calvin contradicting himself, and contradicting Scripture at the same time.

Calvin’s commentary on John 3:16 (Bible Hub): SCRIPTURAL
16. For God so loved the world. Christ opens up the first cause, and, as it were, the source of our salvation, and he does so, that no doubt may remain; for our minds cannot find calm repose, until we arrive at the unmerited love of God. As the whole matter of our salvation must not be sought any where else than in Christ, so we must see whence Christ came to us, and why he was offered to be our Savior. Both points are distinctly stated to us: namely, that faith in Christ brings life to all, and that Christ brought life, because the Heavenly Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish...

That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.
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CONTRADICTED IN CALVIN'S INSTITUTES: UNSCRIPTURAL
“We say, then, that Scripture clearly proves this much, that God by his eternal and immutable counsel determined once for all those whom it was his pleasure one day to admit to salvation, and those whom, on the other hand, it was his pleasure to doom to destruction. We maintain that this counsel, as regards the elect, is founded on his free mercy, without any respect to human worth, while those whom he dooms to destruction are excluded from access to life by a just and blameless, but at the same time incomprehensible judgment.” Institutes III. 21.7.

So either John Calvin was a very dishonest theologian, or he assumed nobody would catch him in his contradictions. And this is just one example. And Calvinists try to dodge all around this to claim that Calvin did not believe in Unlimited Atonement.

Or, Huldrych Zwingli, an early reformer that preceded John Calvin by many years, taught predestination of Salvation. And those parts there that you state are Calvin's contradictions in his Institutes, which he reworked a number of times over years, all pertain to the context of the predestined to Salvation Elect of God.
No contradiction then from that contextual perspective.

P.S. No, I'm not a Calvinist.

 

[Titus]

Since even the demons believe, James 2:19
One can have a faith but not The faith that is able to save, .Galatians 5:6
And where is the assurance of saving faith if God hates some and desires them to burn in hell?

If a reprobate believes he has faith. Yet God has sent him strong delusion to faith that cannot save. James 2:26.
How can a person really know their faith is genuine faith?
Determinism makes God sovereignty have total control over the decisions and desires of the individual.
Calvinist will deny this but they are illogical in their reasoning.
Because of determinism and the fact that the calvinist god is evil(he hates some just as satan hates) God is made guilty for man's totally depraved inherent degeneracy.

Thanks be to the true living God who's nature is love..None of this abomination is true.
Since Calvin's god literally has hatred towards individuals that had no choice in the matter.
Their false evil god is a respecter of persons.

If it can be proven that God is no respecter of persons.
Then Calvinism is easily refuted.

God is not partial to His creation:
Acts 10:34-35
Then Peter opened His mouth and said: In truth percieve that God shows no partiality.

Romans 2:11
For there is no partiality with God.

Ephesians 6:9
And you, masters, do the same things to them, giving up threatening, knowing that your own Master also in heaven and there is no partiality with Him.

Colossians 3:25
But he who does wrong will be repaid for what he has done and there is no partiality.

1Peter 1:17
And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each ones work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear.

If God is partial as the calvinist god. This Proves he is not the true living God of the Bible.
God invites all to come to Him.

Matthew 11:28
Come to Me ALL, ALL, ALL, you who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest.

Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say come! And let him who hears say, Come! And let him who thrists come.
WHOEVER DESIRES, let him take of the water of life freely.

If all are invited. Why are all not allowed to come?

If certain ones will be saved or lost and they have no choice in the matter, then Jesus died for a select few.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the Angel's, for suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for EVERYONE.

1John 2:2
And He is the propitiation for our sins and NOT FOR OURS ONLY but also for the WHOLE WORLD.

Calvinism Refuted, Calvinism is heresy.

Let's send this doctrine of demons back to where it belongs! In the pits of hell where all its false teachers and founder, John Calvin resides.

 

[Enoch111]

No contradiction then from that contextual perspective.

From which contextual perspective? The Bible's or some theologians? If the sky is blue and some theologian says its red, are you going to believe that nonsense? So compare the two quotes and see that one says "blue" and the other says "red". If that is not a contradiction, then you have simply redefined it.

 

[JesusFan1]

The biggest problem with Calvinist is their theology causing a lack of trust/faith in them.

If Calvin be correct, then God created some for reprobation.
Those who are ordained of God to be damned to hell, may believe they are elected.

Now, how can we trust possible reprobates, to teach us biblical truth?
We cannot know who is really chosen of God.

Could a reprobate be trusted when they are totally depraved and wicked?

If they are deceived into believing they are elected.
Then it is likely that they are teaching the doctrines of demons to those who God also wants to be deceived.

Thus, it is possible that local churches are founded by men who are not Gods people but deceived reprobates that preach a perverted gospel from satan.

That logic would mean that we could not even be sure any of the Apostles taught theology from God!

 

[Titus]

That logic would mean that we could not even be sure any of the Apostles taught theology from God!

Only if we misinterpret the Bible through the teachings of John Calvin
Then you are correct

 

[JesusFan1]

Read was is actually written and don't read INTO it what is not there. "ALL MEN" means all men. No ifs, ands, and buts.

Must read in context!

 

[Titus]

Must read in context!

Calvinist interpretation do not read verses in context.

Whosoever is included all who desire to be saved.
The calvinist read into the text, whosoever are already saved.

 

[JesusFan1]

Only if we misinterpret the Bible through the teachings of John Calvin
Then you are correct

Far worse misunderstanding would be with those whose gospel is based upon so called Free Will!

 

[JesusFan1]

Calvinist interpretation do not read verses in context.

Whosoever is included all who desire to be saved.
The calvinist read into the text, whosoever are already saved.

The whosoever will be the ones who are His sheep!

 

[Titus]

The whosoever will be the ones who are His sheep!

By their own choice

As I have already proved God is not an elitist.
He does not show partiality to some and hate others.

If He does you may be hated by God and decieved.

 

[Titus]

The whosoever will be the ones who are His sheep!

Verses that Prove man has freewill

Deuteronomy 30:15-18
Joshua 24:15
John 15:6-7; 3:16

Man can resist the Holy Spirit
Acts 6:10 ; 7:51-55
And they were not able to resist the wisdom and Spirit by which he spoke.

7:51-55
You stiff- necked uncircumcised in heart and ears!
You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did also.

Proof of free will.

 

[JesusFan1]

By their own choice

As I have already proved God is not an elitist.
He does not show partiality to some and hate others.

If He does you may be hated by God and decieved.

So God is not free to choose as He wills?

 

[JesusFan1]

Verses that Prove man has freewill

Deuteronomy 30:15-18
Joshua 24:15
John 15:6-7; 3:16

Man can resist the Holy Spirit
Acts 6:10 ; 7:51-55
And they were not able to resist the wisdom and Spirit by which he spoke.

7:51-55
You stiff- necked uncircumcised in heart and ears!
You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did also.

Proof of free will.

free will to reject the Lord Jesus, as sin natures are at war against God, and none can receive Jesus as Lord apart form the work of the Holy Spirit!

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Free will. We have free will, we can choose what we want for lunch, whats our favorite color, but when it comes to salvation, we have zero to do with that. If its a gift from God, how could we proclaim to have a say in receiving a gift????

 

[JesusFan1]

Free will. We have free will, we can choose what we want for lunch, whats our favorite color, but when it comes to salvation, we have zero to do with that. If its a gift from God, how could we proclaim to have a say in receiving a gift????

We are still free to accept and reject what fits within our sin nature capabilities, but receiving Jesus as Lord not one of those!

 

[PinSeeker]

As I have said, "free will" is not really the issue, it is complete autonomy. Only God, as Creator, is autonomous, He is sovereign over all His creation, of which we are a part.

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Titus]

free will to reject the Lord Jesus, as sin natures are at war against God, and none can receive Jesus as Lord apart form the work of the Holy Spirit!

What makes you think God has not chosen all to be saved? John 3:16

The Bible version
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

The calvinist version
John 3:16
For God had preferential love for only his elect in the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever God forces to be a believer, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Sin nature is Total depravity.
This is false.
We can resist the Holy Spirit as you ignored,
Acts 6:10; 7:51-55

God has already offered to save us.
It is now our choice what we will do with His offer.

 

[Nancy]

What makes you think God has not chosen all to be saved? John 3:16

The Bible version
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

The calvinist version
John 3:16
For God had preferential love for only his elect in the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever God forces to be a believer, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Sin nature is Total depravity.
This is false.
We can resist the Holy Spirit as you ignored,
Acts 6:10; 7:51-55

God has already offered to save us.
It is now our choice what we will do with His offer.

Agreed brother,
Why would ANYBODY not want the gift that God Himself has handed us?? Should we just say, mmm, no thanks God, I will NOT receive your gift.

 

[JesusFan1]

Agreed brother,
Why would ANYBODY not want the gift that God Himself has handed us?? Should we just say, mmm, no thanks God, I will NOT receive your gift.

The lost sinner shall never desire to get saved unless and until the Holy Spirit enables Him/her to do such!

 

[JesusFan1]

What makes you think God has not chosen all to be saved? John 3:16

The Bible version
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

The calvinist version
John 3:16
For God had preferential love for only his elect in the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever God forces to be a believer, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Sin nature is Total depravity.
This is false.
We can resist the Holy Spirit as you ignored,
Acts 6:10; 7:51-55

God has already offered to save us.
It is now our choice what we will do with His offer.

IF God has chosen all to get saved, then either Satan or we are overcoming him!