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Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by teamventure, Aug 13, 2020.

  1. teamventure

    teamventure Active Member

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    We all know that John Darby came up with the pre-tribulation rapture.

    But did you know that Darby also

    Invented electricity,
    Wrote the consitution,
    Came up with the theory of relativity,
    The law of gravity
    And the recipe for maple syrup.

    In fact, if we look further back in history you will see that John Darby probably discovered fire and invented the wheel too.
     
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    farouk Well-Known Member

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    The wording of Scripture about the aspect of the Lord's coming as it relates to the church and the aspect of the Lord's coming as it relates to Israel doesn't depend on Darby...
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    This is what the enemies of Darby and the Pre-tribulation Rapture would say.

    However, Darby was simply presenting what was in Scripture since 30 AD, and for whatever reason he had missed it early on in his ministry.

    "Darby came to understand that the church could be taken to heaven at any moment without signs preceding that event, in what would later be known as the pretribulational rapture of the church. Darby’s realization of a change in dispensations laid the groundwork for the development of dispensationalism, since he saw a distinction between God’s plan for the church and His plan for Israel. By this time, Darby also developed a pessimistic view of the visible church, Christendom, and came to believe that it was in utter ruins..."
    https://www.pre-trib.org/pretribfiles/pdfs/Ice-JohnNelsonDarbyandtheRapture.pdf

    The strange thing is that any Christian who reads John 14:1-3 would see this truth immediately. So Darby too should have seen it right away, but he did not.

    Those who oppose the Pre-tribulation Rapture resort all kinds of ad hominem attacks as well as propaganda. Christians should ignore all that and focus on the Bible itself, and the words of Christ and the apostles. In fact, the words of Christ Himself should suffice.
     
  4. teamventure

    teamventure Active Member

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    Guys, you need to read my whole OP.
    You will see I'm a bigger fan of Darby than you think. Lol.
     
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    Keraz Well-Known Member

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    We do.
    The Bible never says the Lord will take His people to heaven. It says we must endure until the end.

    Darby was a purveyor of Satanic lies. He and all who promote unbiblical theories and doctrines, will stand before God - they will only escape thru the flames. 1 Corinthians 3:12-15
     
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  6. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    The Bible says that His people are ALREADY SEATED IN THE HEAVENLIES (translated as "heavenly places or heavenly realms) with Christ (Eph 2:6).

    New International Version
    And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
    New Living Translation
    For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus.
    English Standard Version
    and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
    Berean Study Bible
    And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
    Berean Literal Bible
    and He raised us up together and seated us together in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
    New American Standard Bible
    and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
    New King James Version
    and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
    King James Bible
    And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:


    So it would follow that the Church will be taken to Heaven at the Resurrection/Rapture in anticipation of the Marriage of the Lamb.

    So where do you think the Marriage of the Lamb will be? Check Revelation 19 before you answer. And where do you think God the Father's house is located (as per John 14:2)?
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Understood. However it would appear that it took Darby quite a while to arrive at his conclusions about Premillenialism and the Pre-Tribulation Rapture.
     
  8. Keraz

    Keraz Well-Known Member

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    Is Canada heaven?
    BTW, I have been to Canada, and I agree that its too cold for hell!

    We are not told where the Marriage Supper will be. Why speculate?
     
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    Keraz, you forgot maple syrup.
     
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    Does God get any glory here?.......too easy for men to take it themselves!
     
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    All you have to offer is nonsensical retorts (because you are simply using human reasoning). Which means that you do not even believe the FUNDAMENTAL truth that God and Christ are presently in Heaven with all the saints and angels (Heb 12:22-24). And that is where the saints will go for the Marriage of the Lamb after the Resurrection/Rapture. You were in fact directed to Revelation 19.

    THE SAINTS ARE IN HEAVEN AFTER THE RAPTURE
    And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in Heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:... (Rev 19:1)

    THE MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB IS IN HEAVEN
    ...Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. (Rev 19:7,8)

    THE SAINTS DESCEND FROM HEAVEN WITH CHRIST
    ...And I saw Heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war....And the armies which were in Heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. (Rev 19:11,14)

    As to your vicious attacks on J. N. Darby, you will give account to God, since there is no call for attacking someone who presents Bible truth.
     
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  12. Keraz

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    But you attack me when I present Bible truths.
    Like repeating the Words of Jesus, where He says: no one goes to heaven, earth is our home, keep us from evil, we will rule with Him on earth, we must endure until the end, +.

    Revelation 19:1-10 never says living people will be taken to heaven, you just wrongly assume that.
     
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    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    I know Ph.D's who can't tie their shoes, -- (not LITERALLY). But if you can "wire a house" then you can perform "surgery", -- Ummmm NO!

    Bobby Jo
     
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    Paul came up with the rapture in 1 Thes 4(as he quoted Jesus in Matt 24).

    Darby was not from the 1st century, nor was he personally acquainted with Paul.

    Get those facts straight.
     
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    This thread is giving me the lols. Except for Keraz, he creeps me out.
     
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    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    I think he's ok, but there is that OBSESSION with a CME, and his REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY ...

    And @Enoch111 is pretty good, except for his Pre-Trib Rapture bent ...

    Bobby Jo
     
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    Because I show up your wrong beliefs and you have no way of refuting me. Tough!
    Is Isaiah 66:15, Malachi 4:1 , Hebrews 10:27, + , all just my obsession? Or are they prophesies about an actual blast of fire that the Lord will send to destroy His enemies? 2 Peter 3:1-7, puts your position very clearly.

    Replacement theology; Who says that? Not me, my belief is we are true Israelites by faith, Galatians 3:26-29, 6:14-16, just as all the Godly people in the Bible were. There were plenty in ancient Israel who were not spiritual Israelites, but still had their ethnicity. Just as in the Jewish State of Israel today; only .05% are Christian believers.
     
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    This is your replacement theology quiz.

    Or anyone else that wants to take it....

    Is this talking about future national Israel or the church.....


    Hebrews 8
    8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

    9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

    10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

    12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
     
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    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    EXCELLENT, you now agree with me that NUCLEAR WEAPONS are that SOURCE! ;)


    ... and then you argue for REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY ...

    :shrug:
    Bobby Jo
     
  20. Enoch111

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    Darby is a good example of why Christians should never elevate one man above others. Darby had many good things in his teachings, but he was also responsible for serious divisions among the Brethren. And he also went along with the false notions of Westcott & Hort regarding the corrupt manuscripts which they promoted. His translation is based upon their critical text.
     
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