Just who is Jesus

[Adventageous]

John 1:18 clearly states that “no man has ever seen God”

I noticed you stopped short of the full text (who else does that in scripture?, I know there was a person ... (and "No" I am not calling you the devil, I am simply sounding of a warning to be more careful.)

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.​

Since Jesus is a man (you agree right), then has he not seen God (His Father) in person? Surely you must admit that, right?

No man has seen God the Father on earth, but many among mankind have seen God (the Person of the Son) on earth. You need to make the distinctions that the Bible does between one Person / Being identified as "God" (such as the Father), and another also identified as "God" (such as the Son). John parallels Jhn. 1:18 with Jhn. 6:46, and notice the exception clause in both:

Joh_6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.​

The "God" that no man has seen on earth (though some have in vision, or heard in voice) is the Person / Being of the Father, and yet another identified as "God" and "LORD" (JEHOVAH) was seen on earth many times:

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Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;​

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Gen 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;​

Gen 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.​

Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.​

Gen 18:33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.​

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Gen 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;​

Who is that LORD God on earth declaring about another LORD God in Heaven? Who is that LORD God on earth calling fire down from another LORD God in Heaven?

Yet the skeptics will say:

Exo 4:1 And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice: for they will say, The LORD hath not appeared unto thee.​

See QUESTION 014: Doesn't the Bible say, “... but surely, as it is written, “No man has seen God ...” (Jhn. 1:18; 1 Jhn. 4:12 KJB)", and *Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live” (Exo. 33:20 KJB), how then can various persons amongst mankind claimed to have seen “God”, even “face to face” (Gen. 32:30, 33:11; Num. 14:14; Deu. 5:4, 34;10; Jdg. 6:22; Eze. 20:35 KJB; &c.)? here - Godhead - The Eternal Heavenly Trio : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

 

[Adventageous]

Sin is a barrier between fallen humanity and their Creator, so he appointed a “mediator between God and men” who is identified as Jesus Christ. A mediator is a facilitator of communication between two estranged parties.....he cannot be one of the parties....you see, if Jesus was God, we would need a mediator between us and him as well.

You are continually mixing 'apples and oranges', or committing the fallacy of categroy error. Mixing natures and persons.

Jesus is Deity (God) in His original nature / position (seated at the right hand of the Father on the eternal throne of everlasting Deity). That has nothing to do with what the Bible says about being a mediator between God (referring to the one who is the Father), and mankind, since the Father is the one which was separated from mankind through sin. This is why it required the Son, who is also Deity in nature, to restore that relationship, being able to take hold of the Father's Deity by His own Deity (nature), and take hold of mankind's nature by taking upon Himself that additional nature of mankind (Php. 2:5-11 KJB). Jesus is the "daysman" betwixt the Father and mankind, and He is the fellow of the Father in nature, and the fellow of mankind in their nature.

If I spoke of three who are my Bosses (like a family owned business might), they all three have authority over me and are each "boss" in their own right. If I offend one of those Bosses (say the chief heirarchial Boss, the father of the business, whose name is throughout all), cannot one of the other Bosses (such as a son of that father, who is also a Boss) intercede and be an advocate between the offended Boss (father) and myself? Surely, why not?

 

[Adventageous]

Was the infant born to Mary called Immanuel?

Yes:

Isa_7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.​

Isa_8:8 And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel.​

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.​

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Psa_46:7 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.​

Psa_46:11 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.​

That "God of Jacob" was the "Angel (Messenger) of the LORD (Father)", who is also called "LORD" (JEHOVAH), just as the Father is.

It doesn't say that Mary had to name him at dedication "Immanuel". The texts simply say that he would be called by the name Immanuel by the LORD and by the people ("they"), which he was, and is even now so, by millions. For Jesus is "God" (Person / Being of the Son) with us:

Mat_28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​

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His name "Jesus" literally means "JEHOVAH is salvation", and the Son's name, is named after the Father's name - JEHOVAH:

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Gen 19:24 Then the LORD [Son / Jesus] rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD [Father / Ancient of Days] out of heaven;​

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Scripture says this same thing all over, see Hebrews 1:8-12, 13:4-8 KJB.

 

[Davy]

Sorry...what on earth has the Catholic church got to do with what I said?
What lie have you exposed...? What was I referring to when I mentioned Bible history? I was speaking about the whole Bible not just the NT.....I hope you are not inferring that the RCC was in any way representing the one true God of the Bible?
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You said:
"There is no such word as “Godhead” in the Bible…..it is an invention of the Catholic church….just like “God the Son”…it doesn’t exist."

The word Godhead is middle English, and was derived from the word Godhood (circa 13th century in Britain). It's a word that gets the point across perfectly about Lord Jesus of Nazareth having been God come in the flesh as Immanuel, which is the meaning of that name.

So your accusations of it being some word fallacy started by the Catholic Church, and thus should be shunned, is just one more pointer to you as a follower of JUDAISM, and NOT Christianity. What are you doing here on a CHRISTIAN FORUM?

You said:
"The name Emanuel is not a direct statement or declaration that Jesus is God in the flesh."

Well, yes it is a direct statement found in Matthew 1:23 while quoting from Isaiah 7:14...

Matt 1:23
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
KJV

So all you are doing with your false statement above is trying to make an affirmation, which is nothing but a LIE that one tells in hopes that if others hear it enough, they will begin to believe it. Hitler used that propaganda method profusely.


Other of your deceptions from JUDAISM...

You said:
"I believe that Jesus was always “the logos”, but I do not believe that he was part of a triune god that the OT never spoke about."

You apparently don't believe what you read from The New Testament. It would appear The New Testament is just some kind of philosophical reference to you, and doesn't mean much to you. The below Scripture based on what you said reveals that point...

John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word (Greek logos), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.
KJV

Verse 3 agrees with Hebrews 1:2.

Heb 1:1-2
1 God, Who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, Whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds;
KJV

Here GOD declares He made the creation, and that there is no one else...

Isa 45:18
18 For thus saith the LORD That created the heavens; God Himself That formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
KJV

How is it then, that the John 1:3, and Hebrews 1:2, and Colossians 1:16-17 all declare that by Lord Jesus Christ all things were made, if Christ is not part of The Godhead? Since your flesh cannot understand that, you simply reject it, just as the blind Pharisees did, and unbelieving Jews still do to this day. It means you are not BELIEVING The New Testament Scriptures, but instead rejecting those proofs about Lord Jesus written of in The New Testament. So yeah, what you said about what you believe certainly is not about CHRISTENDOM, i.e., CHRISTIANITY.

 

[Davy]

BEWARE MY CHRISTIAN BRETHREN:

I've pondered Aunty Jane's rhetoric against the written Bible Scriptures on this forum for a long time, and I've come to the conclusion that she may not even be a she, but a he, come here to promote JUDAISM, the Jew's religion. Per Revelation 9 about the locusts, which point to false priests, Aunty Jane fits the pattern of the locust who appear on horses to battle, but with hair LIKE women, which is a metaphor for the soothsayer preaching softness and sweetness in order to deceive, but in essence spiritually is an attack upon the soul of the deceived, like how a lion attacks its prey.

 

[Aunty Jane]

You said:
"There is no such word as “Godhead” in the Bible…..it is an invention of the Catholic church….just like “God the Son”…it doesn’t exist."

The word Godhead is middle English, and was derived from the word Godhood (circa 13th century in Britain). It's a word that gets the point across perfectly about Lord Jesus of Nazareth having been God come in the flesh as Immanuel, which is the meaning of that name.

That is not an answer to the part of my post that you quoted....it appears as if you are getting upset because you have no way to respond to my post....am I making you uncomfortable because you have no answers? They are reasonable questions that my own Bible studies have raised.

I see you made no attempt to address anything I said, except to lose your cool and start making silly accusations. Not very mature on your part...

But just to reiterate the word “Godhead” does not exist in Scripture.....it was invented because the Catholic Church invented the trinity....it was not introduced as church doctrine till the 4th century.
It is from the English language, not Greek.
The NCB translates Col 2:9 as...
“For it is in him that the entire fullness of deity dwells in bodily form, and you share this fullness in him who is the head of every ruler and power.”
Interesting rendering from a Catholic translation.

The word in Greek appears only once in the NT.....”theotēs” is translated as “deity” and because the verse is referring to how Jesus reflected the fullness his Father’s godly qualities perfectly in his human form....just as we can reflect the qualities of Jesus too, as we can learn about him, his character and his qualities from the NT.

So your accusations of it being some word fallacy started by the Catholic Church, and thus should be shunned, is just one more pointer to you as a follower of JUDAISM, and NOT Christianity. What are you doing here on a CHRISTIAN FORUM?

I assure you I am not a promoter of Judaism....Stating that Jesus was Jewish is the truth...he was born a Jew and died a Jew in order to fulfill prophesy. If you knew your Bible as well as you know your theology you would understand this.
I am a Christian in every definition the Bible gives of that word.....not your definition? That is hardly my problem...

You said:
"The name Emanuel is not a direct statement or declaration that Jesus is God in the flesh."

Well, yes it is a direct statement found in Matthew 1:23 while quoting from Isaiah 7:14...

“God with us”, can be taken more than one way.....just as God was “with” Israel as I tried to tell you, but you but your eyes and mind are closed....again, not my problem.

So all you are doing with your false statement above is trying to make an affirmation, which is nothing but a LIE that one tells in hopes that if others hear it enough, they will begin to believe it. Hitler used that propaganda method profusely.

Hitler? My goodness...I really did strike a nerve didn’t I? That is a bit desperate.
How about you just address my questions.....?...calmly.....or can’t you do that?

Other of your deceptions from JUDAISM...

You said:
"I believe that Jesus was always “the logos”, but I do not believe that he was part of a triune god that the OT never spoke about."

Yes, I believe that the pre-human Jesus was always God’s spokesman....it’s one of the definitions of “logos”...”one who speaks for God. He was the perfect representative.

You apparently don't believe what you read from The New Testament. It would appear The New Testament is just some kind of philosophical reference to you, and doesn't mean much to you. The below Scripture based on what you said reveals that point...

I have full faith in the whole Bible...which is why we have the whole Bible.....you can’t have the whole story unless you have the beginning.....the Bible’s story begins is Genesis and ends in Revelation...or don’t you believe that?

How is it then, that the John 1:3, and Hebrews 1:2, and Colossians 1:16-17 all declare that by Lord Jesus Christ all things were made, if Christ is not part of The Godhead? Since your flesh cannot understand that, you simply reject it, just as the blind Pharisees did, and unbelieving Jews still do to this day. It means you are not BELIEVING The New Testament Scriptures, but instead rejecting those proofs about Lord Jesus written of in The New Testament. So yeah, what you said about what you believe certainly is not about CHRISTENDOM, i.e., CHRISTIANITY.

Jesus was God’s “firstborn son”...so as John 1:1 says he was “with God” “in the beginning”. God cannot be “with” himself....and God had no “beginning”....so again you have some questions to address, if you can do so without the insults if possible....

The “proofs” you have posted are nothing but suggestions...there are no clear statements concerning the trinity in the Bible at all. If there was, this topic could not have ever been raised for debate in the first place...it’s been raging for centuries....

Just defend your beliefs.....the truth cannot have contradictions.

 

[Aunty Jane]

BEWARE MY CHRISTIAN BRETHREN:

I've pondered Aunty Jane's rhetoric against the written Bible Scriptures on this forum for a long time, and I've come to the conclusion that she may not even be a she, but a he, come here to promote JUDAISM, the Jew's religion. Per Revelation 9 about the locusts, which point to false priests, Aunty Jane fits the pattern of the locust who appear on horses to battle, but with hair LIKE women, which is a metaphor for the soothsayer preaching softness and sweetness in order to deceive, but in essence spiritually is an attack upon the soul of the deceived, like how a lion attacks its prey.

O my goodness...I am embarrassed for you. ....I’m a 76 year old grandmother...get a grip...
Bible study has been a lifelong passion.....what about you?????