KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS

[Ronald Nolette]

[Matthew 19:17 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

This verse demands some evaluation. Was Jesus saying to keep the commandments to have eternal life? Israel failed to keep the law. No one can keep the law.

[Galatians 3:24 KJV] 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[Rom 3:20 KJV] 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

The law was our schoolmaster to give the knowledge of sin and bring us to Christ.

[Matthew 19:18-19 KJV] 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The young man asked Christ what commandments did he have to keep. Jesus states that the commandments are the Mosaic law.

[Matthew 19:20-21 KJV] 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.

The young man said he kept the law's commandments and Jesus did not refute him.

Jesus told him that what he lacked was to sell all he had. This command is not in the law of Moses so why does Jesus say he needed to sell all he had?

[Mark 10:17, 19-21 KJV] 17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? ... 19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. 20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. 21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Here in Mark we find the same account. The young man was told to sell all his possessions.

[Mark 10:23-25 KJV] 23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Here we have an explanation as to what Jesus meant by saying to keep the commandments to "enter into life". Jesus commanded to sell all to enter the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is the same as the kingdom of heaven. The kingdom is the earthly Davidic kingdom on earth in which believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years.

[Matthew 5:20 KJV] 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

To enter the kingdom believing Israel had to be righteous by keeping the law and sell all.

Nope! Where do you get these esoteric teachings?

 

[Doug]

Nope! Where do you get these esoteric teachings?

How do you teach this?
What kingdom do you think Christ was teaching Israel about in teaching how to enter into it?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

How do you teach this?
What kingdom do you think Christ was teaching Israel about in teaching how to enter into it?

The Millennial kingdom on earth. but He foreknew they would reject, though He made a legitimate offer. Who is teaching you? Many of your esoteric teachings are not from go0d.

 

[Doug]

The Millennial kingdom on earth. but He foreknew they would reject, though He made a legitimate offer. Who is teaching you? Many of your esoteric teachings are not from go0d.

Ok we agree these verses spoke of a thousand year reign of Christ in his kingdom on earth and he taught about it and how to enter it for Israel
I dont know why you think is is esoteric..........esoteric teachings say there is some secret knowledge conveyed in scripture........Jesus revealed all knowledge for us ending with Paul

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[Behold]

Why is Hell filled with religious water baptized people who did their best to keep the commandments?

A.) Jesus said...."you must be born again"......to go to Heaven.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

The failure in much of Evangelicalism to rightly divide the word of truth is itself very telling these days and throughout history.

That there is the necessity to rightly divide the word of truth means...there are divisions within truth. Right? That so many miss this most obvious surmising is what seems the be the outflow of inferior, public education here in the West that fails miserably to teach critical thinking skills to public school students in these modern times of ours.

Additionally, that there are divisions within the plethora of truths spoken in scripture leads to the inevitable conclusion that not all truths spoken in scripture are TO us today. They are all indeed FOR us, but not TO us. In other words, we can benefit from understanding the truths spoken TO other people's at other times and places that do not apply TO us today, there is value in understanding those truths as they reflect a consistent portraiture of God and His Character, His Thoughts and His Ways.

The mish-mash practice of trying to blend it all together into a subjective pot of doctrinal gobbledygook to pour out upon others is wasted on those who know the scriptures and rightly divide the word of truth as taught by Paul. None of the eleven nor even Christ Himself ever spoke of this necessity. It was only Paul to whom this was given to speak and write about.

BTW

 

[Doug]

Additionally, that there are divisions within the plethora of truths spoken in scripture leads to the inevitable conclusion that not all truths spoken in scripture are TO us today. They are all indeed FOR us, but not TO us. In other words, we can benefit from understanding the truths spoken TO other people's at other times and places that do not apply TO us today, there is value in understanding those truths as they reflect a consistent portraiture of God and His Character, His Thoughts and His Ways.

The mish-mash practice of trying to blend it all together into a subjective pot of doctrinal gobbledygook to pour out upon others is wasted on those who know the scriptures and rightly divide the word of truth as taught by Paul. None of the eleven nor even Christ Himself ever spoke of this necessity. It was only Paul to whom this was given to speak and write about.

Well said
Right division opens up the scriptures more than before exposure to it

 

[FredVB]

You're right that the commandments are what shows to us what is good and what to avoid. You're also right that that we are saved by what was accomplished only by Christ Jesus. The problem is when people throw in "but" into that phraseology. They will say, "We're saved by the shed blood of Christ Jesus, BUT ya gotta live it," or some other negation that only adds to their belief in the insufficiency of the shed blood of Christ.

Nobody here can live the commandments, even though some make a noble attempt with some falling off the cliff of legalism. Where some tend to go astray is sabbath-keeping as a requirement today.

Oh well, being an Israeli, I'm well acquainted with the effects and outcome of legalism and its dead end results. Yahshuah stated what is in keeping with the Law and many still add to it, which is no problem so long as they keep that as a personal thing rather than to teach it as compulsory upon others.

BTW

This is not with recognition of the fruit of the Spirit. This is what spiritual growth involves. Our redemption is involving being brought out from sinful lives, to living more in the way of God's revealed will with our responsiveness, which comes with that growth. One can grow to conform to that more, with learning in this life. In the hereafter we can be where there is no sin, with no longer doing any sin. I do not see any harm to any being done that way.