Keep Your Eyes on Israel

[Heart2Soul]

Or should I say are the inhabitants of that nation currently ruling as God?if no then they ain’t Israel.

what a stretch. Sometimes I just wonder how God will ever unite His Church in the unity of faith. But I have faith in His promises so how He will do it is for Him to know and us to find out.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Israel = he will rule as God.
Question is, did he?

From what I read is it means "struggles with God".

 

[theefaith]

Israel was the name God gave to Jacob after he wrestled with an angel.
The history of how the State of Israel or Israel Nation got its name is complex.
"This is actually three separate questions. What did the name Israel originally mean? How did the ancient Jewish people and their homeland come to be known as "Israel"? And how and why was this particular name chosen for the modern state?"

who are the Jews? There is neither Jew or Greek!
The church founded by Christ on Peter replaced Israel

The Jews were the children and have rejected Christ and He has rejected them! 2 Tim 2:12

The church replaced Israel as the kingdom of God on earth! Matt 21:43

Your “the Jews” or “Israel’s house is a house of desolation, the Jews have the spiritual mark of Cain for killing their brother Jesus and are scattered to nations! Matt 23:39

The Jews killed Christ, as the instrument of the Roman governor!
Matt 21:38 acts 2:36 acts 3:13-15

But the nation in the person of the high priest rejected Christ and the nation consented to His death. Jn 18:14 Mk 15:13

And has never ceased blaspheming Christ, and His church!


Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

the holy Catholic Church

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

 

[Heart2Soul]

who are the Jews? There is neither Jew or Greek!
The church founded by Christ on Peter replaced Israel

The Jews were the children and have rejected Christ and He has rejected them! 2 Tim 2:12

The church replaced Israel as the kingdom of God on earth! Matt 21:43

Your “the Jews” or “Israel’s house is a house of desolation, the Jews have the spiritual mark of Cain for killing their brother Jesus and are scattered to nations! Matt 23:39

The Jews killed Christ, as the instrument of the Roman governor!
Matt 21:38 acts 2:36 acts 3:13-15

But the nation in the person of the high priest rejected Christ and the nation consented to His death. Jn 18:14 Mk 15:13

And has never ceased blaspheming Christ, and His church!


Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

the holy Catholic Church

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Please start your own thread....you are off topic and derailing this one.

 

[theefaith]

Please start your own thread....you are off topic and derailing this one.

what good is a thread that can’t handle questions

 

[Heart2Soul]

what good is a thread that can’t handle questions

The questions being asked has nothing to do with the OP...the OP is about current events happening in Israel and that we must pray and keep our eyes on her.

 

[Waiting on him]

who are the Jews? There is neither Jew or Greek!
The church founded by Christ on Peter replaced Israel

The Jews were the children and have rejected Christ and He has rejected them! 2 Tim 2:12

The church replaced Israel as the kingdom of God on earth! Matt 21:43

Your “the Jews” or “Israel’s house is a house of desolation, the Jews have the spiritual mark of Cain for killing their brother Jesus and are scattered to nations! Matt 23:39

The Jews killed Christ, as the instrument of the Roman governor!
Matt 21:38 acts 2:36 acts 3:13-15

But the nation in the person of the high priest rejected Christ and the nation consented to His death. Jn 18:14 Mk 15:13

And has never ceased blaspheming Christ, and His church!


Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

the holy Catholic Church

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

I would think that the true Israel of God would be those who cooperate with Him.

 

[Waiting on him]

what a stretch. Sometimes I just wonder how God will ever unite His Church in the unity of faith. But I have faith in His promises so how He will do it is for Him to know and us to find out.

Does that mean bring everyone into agreement with you?

 

[theefaith]

The questions being asked has nothing to do with the OP...the OP is about current events happening in Israel and that we must pray and keep our eyes on her.

moray for what?
The church is the new covenant, there is no other!

 

[marks]

Does that mean bring everyone into agreement with you?

No, it means bringing everyone into agreement with me.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Does that mean bring everyone into agreement with you?

Does it? How do you seem to always perceive things in such a dramatic way as to turn a comment made in general into an insuation that I am building personal platform for my own beliefs.
What you have yet to understand is that I am seeking to be one in the body of Christ with others who will be part of His Church. ...the perfecting of the saints joined together in one mind and one accord in the unity of faith of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
As I do not claim to know all, for I don't, we know in part and see in part, and in His timing we will know all truth.
I really get bored with your arguments because they are always attacking the one you are responding to.
Can you simply share what you believe without twisting it into a flaming or goading remark?
And how you seem content to define what others are saying through your own personal understanding....this is a continuous pattern of yours and it doesn't do anything to support your beliefs...only attacks others beliefs.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I would think that the true Israel of God would be those who cooperate with Him.

Quote the scripture and quit playing mind games please.

 

[Heart2Soul]

moray for what?
The church is the new covenant, there is no other!

Oy Vey!! A bunch of meaningless words of a man...
Quote your scripture....at least.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Quote the scripture and quit playing mind games please.

Oy Vey!! A bunch of meaningless words of a man...
Quote your scripture....at least.

I'm planning on creating a thread for this subject tomorrow, to discuss actual scripture passages on it.

I can tag you if you like. :)

 

[Heart2Soul]

I'm planning on creating a thread for this subject tomorrow, to discuss actual scripture passages on it.

I can tag you if you like. :)

Yes please....my thread has been hijacked.

 

[Waiting on him]

Quote the scripture and quit playing mind games please.

Hebrew: ישׂראל
Transliteration: yiώrâ'êl
Pronunciation: yis-raw-ale'
Definition: From H8280 and H410; he will rule as God;
{Jisrael} a symbolical name of Jacob; also (typically) of his posterity: - Israel.
KJV Usage: Israel (2,489x), Israelites (16x).
Occurs: 2505
In verses: 2229

Notice the lower case h in he. What do you think about this?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Hebrew: ישׂראל
Transliteration: yiώrâ'êl
Pronunciation: yis-raw-ale'
Definition: From H8280 and H410; he will rule as God;
{Jisrael} a symbolical name of Jacob; also (typically) of his posterity: - Israel.
KJV Usage: Israel (2,489x), Israelites (16x).
Occurs: 2505
In verses: 2229

Notice the lower case h in he. What do you think about this?

He will rule? "Isra" means “struggles” or “fights with,” and "El" means "God." Hence "fights with God." He gave this name to Jacob after he spent a night wrestling with Him (Genesis 32:28).

Where is your source for that definition?

 

[Heart2Soul]

Hebrew: ישׂראל
Transliteration: yiώrâ'êl
Pronunciation: yis-raw-ale'
Definition: From H8280 and H410; he will rule as God;
{Jisrael} a symbolical name of Jacob; also (typically) of his posterity: - Israel.
KJV Usage: Israel (2,489x), Israelites (16x).
Occurs: 2505
In verses: 2229

Notice the lower case h in he. What do you think about this?

And here is this translation
Israel
Pronunciation /ˈɪzreɪəl, -riəl/
Hebrew: [jisʁaˈʔel]
Hebrew: [jiɬraˈʔei̯l]
Gender Male
Origin
Word/name Hebrew
Meaning 'God Contended',[1] 'Wrestles with God',[2] 'Triumphant with God'[3]

 

[Heart2Soul]

Hebrew: ישׂראל
Transliteration: yiώrâ'êl
Pronunciation: yis-raw-ale'
Definition: From H8280 and H410; he will rule as God;
{Jisrael} a symbolical name of Jacob; also (typically) of his posterity: - Israel.
KJV Usage: Israel (2,489x), Israelites (16x).
Occurs: 2505
In verses: 2229

Notice the lower case h in he. What do you think about this?

Here is the whole content:
Israel is a biblical given name. According to the biblical Book of Genesis the patriarch Jacob was given the name Israel (Hebrew: יִשְׂרָאֵל‎, Standard Yisraʾel Tiberian Yiśrāʾēl) after he wrestled with the angel (Genesis 32:28 and 35:10). The given name is already attested in Eblaite (, išrail) and Ugaritic (, yšrʾil).[4] Commentators differ on the original literal interpretation. The text of Genesis etymologizes the name with the root śarah "to rule, contend, have power, prevail over":[5] שָׂרִיתָ עִם־אֱלֹהִים ‎ (KJV: "a prince hast thou power with God"), but modern suggestions read the el as the subject, for a translation of "El/God rules/judges/struggles",[6] "El fights/struggles".[7]

Israel
Pronunciation /ˈɪzreɪəl, -riəl/
Hebrew: [jisʁaˈʔel]
Hebrew: [jiɬraˈʔei̯l]
Gender Male
Origin
Word/name Hebrew
Meaning 'God Contended',[1] 'Wrestles with God',[2] 'Triumphant with God'[3]
Other names
Related names Izzy, Isaac, Rae
Look up Israel in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
Look up ישראל in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
The name appears on the Merneptah Stele as (ysrỉꜣr), referring to a foreign group of people.

In Jewish and Christian texts from the Greco-Egyptian area during Second Temple Judaism and beyond the name was understood to mean "a man seeing God" from the ʾyš (man) rʾh (to see) ʾel (God).[8]

Jacob's descendants came to be known as the Israelites, eventually forming the tribes of Israel and ultimately the kingdom of Israel, whence came the name of modern-day State of Israel.

 

[Waiting on him]

Here is the whole content:
Israel is a biblical given name. According to the biblical Book of Genesis the patriarch Jacob was given the name Israel (Hebrew: יִשְׂרָאֵל‎, Standard Yisraʾel Tiberian Yiśrāʾēl) after he wrestled with the angel (Genesis 32:28 and 35:10). The given name is already attested in Eblaite (, išrail) and Ugaritic (, yšrʾil).[4] Commentators differ on the original literal interpretation. The text of Genesis etymologizes the name with the root śarah "to rule, contend, have power, prevail over":[5] שָׂרִיתָ עִם־אֱלֹהִים ‎ (KJV: "a prince hast thou power with God"), but modern suggestions read the el as the subject, for a translation of "El/God rules/judges/struggles",[6] "El fights/struggles".[7]

Israel
Pronunciation /ˈɪzreɪəl, -riəl/
Hebrew: [jisʁaˈʔel]
Hebrew: [jiɬraˈʔei̯l]
Gender Male
Origin
Word/name Hebrew
Meaning 'God Contended',[1] 'Wrestles with God',[2] 'Triumphant with God'[3]
Other names
Related names Izzy, Isaac, Rae
Look up Israel in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
Look up ישראל in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
The name appears on the Merneptah Stele as (ysrỉꜣr), referring to a foreign group of people.

In Jewish and Christian texts from the Greco-Egyptian area during Second Temple Judaism and beyond the name was understood to mean "a man seeing God" from the ʾyš (man) rʾh (to see) ʾel (God).[8]

Jacob's descendants came to be known as the Israelites, eventually forming the tribes of Israel and ultimately the kingdom of Israel, whence came the name of modern-day State of Israel.

I don’t know, all I have is this old concordance.