Keeping Jesus' commanads is requirement for salvation

[mjrhealth]

If you leave out Christ's word, you are leaving out Him.

His word is Himself.

IF only you knew..

I could tell you stories but you wont believe them.

A bit like that new series about the bible, when Saul is on the road to damascus and his mate asks him, why do persue them so, and Saul answers him, why would God use a fishermen and not someone like, than he stops himself.

1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.


In all His Love

 

[Joyful]

IF only you knew..

I know you have been leaving out many Christ's word.

 

[mjrhealth]

I know you have been leaving out many Christ's word.

Would you like me to post the whole NT for you, or would you like me to ask Him about all the other things He did that are not in the bible...

Joh_21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

You could always Just ask Him, He isnt dead, He is teh Risen Lord.

In all His Love

 

[Joyful]

Would you like me to post the whole NT for you, or would you like me to ask Him about all the other things He did that are not in the bible...

Joh_21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

You could always Just ask Him, He isnt dead, He is teh Risen Lord.

In all His Love

You are still leaving out many word of Christ and fighting against them.

The Barrd showed you many of them. You are still denying them.

You are in denial, friend, to justify your convenient faith.

And you are denying my OP which is Christ's word.

 

[ewq1938]

You misunderstand me.
I said I guess you could call it that...not that they actually were breaking the Sabbath, because I do not believe that they were.

He still broke it. They did what was not allowed according to the rules God set concerning the Sabbath. However, these rules could be broken for certain moral reasons.

People tend to get confused about the Old Covenant. They want to confuse the Ten Commandments, which were written by God Himself on tablets of stone to reflect their permanence, and which were placed in the Ark along with the golden pot of manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, with the Law of Moses, which was written by Moses, in a book, and which was not placed in the Ark, but laid down beside it.
The Commandment as God wrote it originally reads:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Do you see anything there about not kindling a fire, or how far I may walk, or any such thing? I don't.

I do see it, do you?

Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
Exo 16:24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
Exo 16:25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

and there is more to learn about the original Sabbath:

The Sabbath, while a rest from normal daily work, was not an easy or comfortable day.

You weren't allowed to cook anything so forget a hot meal. Exodus 35:3

You weren't even allowed to prepare anything so you had better made sure everything was done the day before or you weren't going to eat or eat very well. Exodus 16:22

Cold day or night? Forget having or making a fire! Dark? No fire means no light! Exodus 35:3

Don't even gather sticks for a fire or any other purpose or you might get killed!! Numbers 15:36

Want to spend your "day off" having fun like going horseback riding? No way! You have to stay home! Exodus 16:29

Ah, the lovely burdensome 7th day Sabbath. Now, the Sabbath we have today because of Christ is a LIGHT BURDEN. No rules against comfort or warm food, no staying home, no death penalty...a true and deeper rest for your spiritual being.

 

[Barrd]

Another assumption.

ATP, it is time for you to get it through your head...your strongest back up singer in this thread is openly gay.
You are encouraging him in his sin, even though you know that the Bible...yes, in the NT as well as the OT...says that those who do such things will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
We all have sin in our lives, ATP...but I hope there are at least some who realize that a Holy God cannot have sin in His Heaven. We must repent of our sin if we expect to inherit eternal life.

Now, I am not saying that God will leave us or forsake us...but when we sin and do not feel any remorse, it is us that turn our back to God, not the other way around.
If you've ever raised a rebellious teenager you would know...you can beg that kid all you like to please not do these things that are leading him into trouble...but your pleas seem to fall on deaf ears. There comes a time when you must apply the rod of discipline to the seat of understanding...if you wait too late, you will lose that child forever.

 

[Barrd]

I do see it, do you?

Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
Exo 16:24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
Exo 16:25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

and there is more to learn about the original Sabbath:

You are quoting from the the book of the law written by Moses, not from the law written by the finger of God.

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,

Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Moses' law does not carry over into the New Covenant...only God's law. Notice that Moses' book of the law was laid beside the Ark, not placed within it. God's Ten Commandments were placed inside of the Ark, showing that they were of a different order than Moses' law:

Heb 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

Again, I do not see these requirements in the law as written by the finger of God on tables of stone.
You are trying to drag me and my family back into the Old Covenant...perhaps you are jealous of our freedom in Christ...

 

[ewq1938]

You are quoting from the the book of the law written by Moses, not from the law written by the finger of God.

It came directly from God. I don't understand how you don't understand that. "This is that which the LORD hath said"

 

[ATP]

ATP what they dont understand is Christ didnt come to set us free from sin, but from the effect of sin. Nota t least untill," in the twinkling of an eye we will all be changed".

Those He set free are free in deed. But you have to be in Christ first...
In all His LOve

Good point. Yeah, it's hard to believe in the resurrection. Few will find life. 2 Cor 4:4 NIV

 

[Barrd]

Good point. Yeah, it's hard to believe in the resurrection. Few will find life. 2 Cor 4:4 NIV

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

And aren't you both a perfect example of this passage of scripture...
We have one who does these things...he is a homosexual, and has no intention whatsoever of stopping his homosexual activities...
And we have one who takes pleasure in him.
You both condemn yourselves out of your own mouths...don't think Someone hasn't noticed.

Now, I'm here, begging you....turn from this wickedness, before it is too late!

 

[ATP]

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

And aren't you both a perfect example of this passage of scripture...
We have one who does these things...he is a homosexual, and has no intention whatsoever of stopping his homosexual activities...
And we have one who takes pleasure in him.
You both condemn yourselves out of your own mouths...don't think Someone hasn't noticed.

Now, I'm here, begging you....turn from this wickedness, before it is too late!

Rom 1:18-32 NIV is not about born again believers. The wrath of God is only on nonbelievers. We already discussed these passages.

John 3:36 NIV "Whoever puts his faith in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see that life, for God's wrath remains on him."

 

[heretoeternity]

ATP... Paul says in Romans "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. We establish the law" and James in James 2 "faith without works is dead"....

 

[Barrd]

Rom 1:18-32 NIV is not about born again believers. The wrath of God is only on nonbelievers. We already discussed these passages.

John 3:36 NIV "Whoever puts his faith in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see that life, for God's wrath remains on him."

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[ATP]

ATP... Paul says in Romans "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. We establish the law" and James in James 2 "faith without works is dead"....

Faith without works is simply stating a fact about faith and works. It has nothing to do with losing salvation. NON-OSAS is false doctrine straight from hell.

 

[ATP]

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

and what does 1 Cor 6:11 say?

 

[mjrhealth]

You are still leaving out many word of Christ and fighting against them.

The Barrd showed you many of them. You are still denying them.

You are in denial, friend, to justify your convenient faith.

And you are denying my OP which is Christ's word.

My convenient faith as you put it,

cost me my marriage loss of my kids, two of which i have not seeing except by skype in 12 years, being showing by Jesus Himself that I was not guilty, being takinen to heaven to judge them both and finding neither of them ( x and boyfriend)guilty, weeks of suicide conemplation until I realised it was the most selfish thing anyoe could do, months of tears, break downs, stress having to overcome bitterness and resentment, than amidst all my troubles, having Christ walk into my life larger than life, and being blessed with the most precious Grand daugher because I was "willing" to loose all for His sake.,

Dont seem so conveneint after all does it..

In All His Love

 

[Joyful]

ATP... Paul says in Romans "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. We establish the law" and James in James 2 "faith without works is dead"....

They have been dismissing this clear and simple statement.

 

[Josho]

So MrJHealth and ATP do you believe God's grace is an excuse to keep sinning? The Bible also says to fear God, where does the fear of God come into that?

God's grace is not a license to sin, and if you treat it that way, you show you don't fear God.

 

[Joyful]

Dont seem so conveneint after all does it..

In All His Love

Suit yourself in denial.

 

[ATP]

They have been dismissing this clear and simple statement.

Not really. I as a OSAS believer simply allow you to assume whatever you want, while I continue to preach the truth.