Keeping Sabbath not in effect

[CharismaticLady]

Charismatic heretic verbage.

Interesting that I quote Scripture, and you say it is heretic verbiage. I guess you've made your bed and now have to lie in it - if you don't wake up to the truth.

 

[Nancy]

The Seventh Day Baptists preceded the Seventh Day Adventists by about two centuries. They originated in the 17th century, while the SDA church originated in the 19th century as an offshoot of the Millerite Movement, (but under the influence of a Seventh Day Baptist woman).

However the Puritans in England believed that the first day of the week is the Christian Sabbath, and observed it as such. It is called the Lord's Day in Scripture (Rev 1:10), and Christians have observed the Lord's Day ever since. It happen to fall on the secular Sunday, therefore the SDA church called Sunday worship taking the Mark of the Beast and the papacy being the Antichrist (since the RCC observes Sunday along with other Christians)!. THIS IS A TOTAL FALLACY. I am quoting from an article on this subject (but most of the article is tiresome):

The Fallacy of the Mark of the Beast being Sunday worship

If you are one of those people who go to Church on Sunday, according to the majority of 7th day Adventists (official teachings) you are worshiping the Beast with his mark.

This has been their position from their inception and it has not changed except in personal opinions. “Sunday-keeping is an institution of the first beast, and ALL who submit to obey this institution emphatically worship the first beast and receive his mark, 'the mark of the beast.' .... Those who worship the beast and his image by observing the first day are certainly idolaters, as were the worshippers of the golden calf.”(Advent Review Extra, pages 10 and 11, August, 1850 (as quoted in “Seventh-day Adventism Renounced” by D.M. Canright, 1914)...7th day Sabbatarians do not hide that they are against the Catholic Church system... [Note: According to this writer all other Christians are idolaters!]

[Adventist] Schreven says, “There are millions of people who are not “worshiping the beast,” but they do worship its image. Many churches today are nothing more than an image of the Papal Church. … they are following the same false teachings, traditions, and commandments of men. False teachings like baptism by sprinkling, the immortal soul, Sunday worship, eternal hell-fire, et cetera, are all from the Beast.... [Note: These are all Bible doctrines rejected by the SDA, whether or not the Catholic Church holds to them]

...Here Schreven is able to identify (as other Adventists do) what most have considered veiled.“ The Seal of God can only be received in the forehead. But the Mark of the beast can be received in the forehead, or hand...The hand symbolizes works, and actions. While these people do not believe in the Beast, their works reveal they follow its teachings and errors”... Because of this teaching on Sunday worship the Adventist Church puts everyone (themselves too) smack dab in the middle of the tribulation... [Note: Another major fallacy, since the Tribulation is in the future]

The fallacy of the Mark of the Beast being Sunday

If they really think we worship the beast (which we do NOT) then, are they not coming very close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit? Crediting satan with receiving worship from all Sunday worshippers??
I attend on Sunday...if it were a Wed. I would worship then.

"not one jot or title shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."​

Did not Jesus Christ already "fulfill" the Law? And, ushered in the age of Grace? If we are faithful to the 2 commandments Jesus gave us...the others will not be broken...I thought the Mosaic Law was to point to what sin is to God...the whole reason Jesus died for us was BECAUSE no man could keep the law. ​

Just some thoughts, not very deep I know but, there ya have it! lol.​

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

we can get from Paul's point that if the Sabbath were still binding than ALL the Jewish festivlas and holydays, diet etc, ALL the OT is binding.

Easier gotten said than gotten shown obviously.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

With the verb 'judge' being present tense implies there were false teachers in Colossae at that time who were judging the Christians there because those Christians were not keeping the OT law of Moses.

With the Verb 'judge' being Present Tense Imperative Active forbidding, it implies there were false teachers (mainly) “of the world” in Colossae at that time, who “judged and condemned” the Greek Christians in Colossus “with regard to / in respect of [en merei] SABBATHS’ FEAST OF CHRIST THE SUBSTANCE”— the Christians’ SPIRITUAL “eating and drinking of Christ”. Paul does not have <<the OT law of Moses>> in mind at all, but the New Testament Sabbath of the Lord Jesus’ Victory over death through having raised from the dead “on the (weekly) Sabbath”. Matthew 28:1 inter alia et al.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Did not Jesus Christ already "fulfill" the Law? And, ushered in the age of Grace? If we are faithful to the 2 commandments Jesus gave us...the others will not be broken...I thought the Mosaic Law was to point to what sin is to God...the whole reason Jesus died for us was BECAUSE no man could keep the law. Just some thoughts, not very deep I know but, there ya have it! lol. ​

For your own sake, just think, Can it be easier to keep the Great Commandment to LOVE than to 'keep' (as they say) the Fourth Commandment?

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[Enoch111]

If they really think we worship the beast (which we do NOT) then, are they not coming very close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit? Crediting satan with receiving worship from all Sunday worshippers??

That is the logical conclusion.

 

[Nancy]

For your own sake, just think, Can it be easier to keep the Great Commandment to LOVE than to 'keep' (as they say) the Fourth Commandment?

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Well, of course the former would be the harder. I could choose to find a local body that always meet on Saturdays (SDA's) …BTW, (sidetrack here, lol) I think it's pretty awesome how all SDA's, the world around, teach/preach on the very same topic every Saturday, you can meet some one in a different country and have the previous sermon to discuss! That is unity.

It is easy as pie to "keep" the 4t commandment. But, it matters not that you can keep "that one" Do you ever get angry with a brother? Ever look at a woman with lust? Ever get angry enough to take the Lords name in vain, like as a curse word?
If one is broken then they all are. That is, if you decide to live under the Mosaic Law - that gentiles were never even invited to.
Gods Spirit living inside us now in this age of grace, CAUSES us to desire nothing more than to do His will, every time! It's sin that God hates, and will not tolerate, not laws in stone. Do you hate sin as He does?
In Him,
nancy

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

With the Verb 'judge' being Present Tense Imperative Active forbidding, it implies there were false teachers (mainly) “of the world” in Colossae at that time, who “judged and condemned” the Greek Christians in Colossus “with regard to / in respect of [en merei] SABBATHS’ FEAST OF CHRIST THE SUBSTANCE”— the Christians’ SPIRITUAL “eating and drinking of Christ”. Paul does not have <<the OT law of Moses>> in mind at all, but the New Testament Sabbath of the Lord Jesus’ Victory over death through having raised from the dead “on the (weekly) Sabbath”. Matthew 28:1 inter alia et al.

Colossians 2:16 shows Paul did have the OT in mind.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Easier gotten said than gotten shown obviously.

Paul did not single out the Sabbath days alone in Colossian 2:16 so if the Sabbath days are binding then all the OT law is binding. There were false Judaizing teachers in Galatia that lead some Christians away from the NT gospel to the OT law of Moses. Paul's point to them is the the OT law of Moses does not justify (Galatians 3:11-13) for it required flawless, perfect law keeping to ALL of it to be justified. If one tries to keep just part of the OT law Paul says he is a debtor to the WHOLE law (Galatians 5:3) for keeping just parts of it will not justify. Paul goes on to say those who try to be justified by the OT law are fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4)

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Just, only, please, q-u-o-t-e that supposed <command .. to meet on the first day>. The last verses of 1Corinthians 15 contain Paul's AFTER-SERMON-appeal (no <command>) which was read to the Congregation on the Sabbath the day BEFORE--, an announcement-appeal "CONCERNING THE COLLECTION EVERYONE BY HIMSELF should work out and put aside AT HOME every First Day of the week".

Get this straight, the idea that <<Paul made the command (that) requires Christians to meet on the first day of the week>> is FAKED, first hand, FRAUD. Do not be deceived by nin-com-poop Sunday pastors who every Sunday spin this lie with their months' end stipend in mind.

I do not know on what day of the week Paul wrote 1 Corinthian 16 but it does not matter what day he wrote it. What matters is what he wrote and he commanded Christians to assemble and give on the first day of the week. 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 is not fake or fraud.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Interesting that I quote Scripture, and you say it is heretic verbiage. I guess you've made your bed and now have to lie in it - if you don't wake up to the truth.

I didn't use the word <verbiage>; I used my own word, 'verbage' like in 'garbage'.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

If they really think we worship the beast (which we do NOT) then, are they not coming very close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit? Crediting satan with receiving worship from all Sunday worshippers??
I attend on Sunday...if it were a Wed. I would worship then.

If you have not known nor understood, perhaps. But those who know and understand well enough, and who -- to suit and justify their Sunday worshipping -- have the audacity to adulterate Scripture which is the Word of God's Holy Spirit Written, are <those> who <<really worship the beast and speak blasphemous words against the Spirit who inspired Scripture>. It's not <they> who <think> so who blaspheme; it is "the attention fixed on days .. no-gods of your former ignorance", Sunday, Wednesday, whichever, that is blasphemy. Because it always is any of these days of worship, JUST NOT "THE SABBATH OF THE LORD"!

 

[Truth]

The context in Colossians 2 clearly shows Christ took the OT law out of the way on HIs cross making it of no effect Colossians 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" By doing away with the OT law Christ freed man from that 'yoke of bondage' that required flawless law keeping to be justified where now man now has liberty in Christ (Galatians 5:1).

So when Paul writes in Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

With the verb 'judge' being present tense implies there were false teachers in Colossae at that time who were judging the Christians there because those Christians were not keeping the OT law of Moses. Paul is telling them not to give up their liberty in Christ by keeping requirements of the OT law , that is, Paul is telling let no men judge you or require of you what God has not requred of you. God did NOT require of those Christians in Colossae to keep the OT law in regarding meats, drinks holydays, new moon or Sabbath days. It was FALSE TEACHERS that were judging those Christians for not keeping the law.

Secondly, we can get from Paul's point that if the Sabbath were still binding than ALL the Jewish festivlas and holydays, diet etc, ALL the OT is binding.

One must have a good understanding of not only the OT, but people have no clue about the Customs of the Hebrew people at the time these Scripture's were written. If you search out the difference between the [LAW] Torah, and the Oral Torah, then one might have a better understanding of What Our Savior was dealing with concerning the Religious Leader's during His Ministry!
Take for instance, you have a Bible, Ok, within that book there are 613 binding Commandment's in the OT, mainly in the first 5 book's.
Some were for children, some were for women, and some were for men, and then some were for the Levite's among the men, some were for the Priest's from Aaron's family, and then some for the High Priest.
If one take's the time you will find that the Commandment's specifically addressed to you would be fewer than you think!
NOW, here is the Stinker, The Pharisees had not only departed the Law of Moses, But had committed the Major Transgression by adding hundreds of Commandment's, and Also removing Commandment's, they had instituted a Religion of their Own, for at least 300 year's before the Birth of our Savior. A Man Made Religion, and to this day it is now called Judaism! In so much that the Oral Torah is now, and has been written, there are 22 Volumes of rule's and regulation's and Commandment's of which they were Burdening the People, then and up to this day! So if you take this Info into consideration as you read, you might be able to distinguish the difference. Most of the time where the word Jew is used in the new Testament, you might read it as Pharisees, because they had come to believe in the Savior, But were still trying to inject the Oral Torah, which is just a bunch of Hogwash, MAN MADE, MAN MADE Commandments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And as far as the verse Colossians 2:16 Paul had preached to the people in Colossian, and they had received the Promise! So let no men that are still worshiping Pagan Deity's Judge you in Meat, or drink, or in respect of a Holy day, or of the new Moon, or the Sabbaths.
This also pertains to Colossians 2, The hundreds of Commandments that the people were being burdened with, Hand writing's, and ordinances.
Our Savior said that the Truth will set you free!!! Free from What, Free from Man Made Religion. This is why our Savior was constantly insulting the Religious Leaders, You Hypocrites!!!! Think!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

That is unity.

That is not unity, that is head office tyranny causing havoc among the SDA clearly observable from outside; one needs not have an entry ticket or to swear on the 27 or 28 articles to be a spectator.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Colossians 2:16 shows Paul did have the OT in mind.

And so say ALL OF US! Quoting yours truly, Q~Paul does not have <<the OT law of Moses>> in mind at all, but the New Testament Sabbath of the Lord Jesus’ Victory over death through having raised from the dead “on the (weekly) Sabbath”. Matthew 28:1~Q

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Paul did not single out the Sabbath days alone in Colossian 2:16 so if the Sabbath days are binding then all the OT law is binding.

Paul did not have <the Sabbath days> at all in mind either.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

There were false Judaizing teachers in Galatia that lead some Christians away from the NT gospel to the OT law of Moses.

Not in regard to Colossians 2 ANYWHERE UP TO and including verse 19. And the <Judaizing teachers in Galatia> are not discernible from ANY viewpoint from before chapter 2 verse 19 and is ANOTHER MATTER than "CHRIST THE SUBSTANCE" in chapter 2 up to and including verse 19. Paul makes this turning point perspective clear in 2 verse 20.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Paul's point to them is the the OT law of Moses does not justify (Galatians 3:11-13) for it required flawless, perfect law keeping to ALL of it to be justified.

True. Paul maintained exactly, exactly, THE SAME principle regarding God's Great Law to Love, because this principle of the "greatest Commandment" of GOD, <points to> or means, to "love Him above all and our fellow men like ourselves"--, the SAME great principle and Law in the Old and in the New Testaments, the principle which requires NO LESS than the Law of Moses <flawless, perfect keeping of it>--, AND EVEN THEN, NEVER to be <JUSTIFIED by the Law> per se or <by the KEEPING of it> (the Great Law or the "hanging on Law").

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

And as far as the verse Colossians 2:16 Paul had preached to the people in Colossian, and they had received the Promise! So let no men that are still worshiping Pagan Deity's Judge you in Meat, or drink, or in respect of a Holy day, or of the new Moon, or the Sabbaths.
This also pertains to Colossians 2, The hundreds of Commandments that the people were being burdened with, Hand writing's, and ordinances.

“The Truth Well Known Member Version”

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

people have no clue about the Customs of the Hebrew people at the time these Scripture's were written.

Obviously not. People have no clue about the Customs of the Christian People at the time these Scriptures were written. It is called the Apostolic Age of the Christian Church.