101G
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GINOLJC, to all.I think that I still have to disagree with you, @101G, and say that to take part and partake are one and the same thing...they mean the same thing....while it seems that you almost base your entire doctrine on there being a difference between the two.
first thanks for the reply, second we must disagree with you here, and here's why. "Partake" is the Greek word, G2844, koinonos, an adjective, signifying "having in common". now justbyfaith tell us who is the Lord Jesus, the ETERNAL ONE, Biological father and mother. (remember having in common, so we humans have mothers and fathers), so book chapter and verse please of the Lord Jesus biological father and mother?. for he is without mother or father. he is eternal. and that NATURAL flesh that came out of Mary was not Biologically connected to no HUMAN, Mary was only the birth mother to it, she was only a birth mother or surrogate mother to the flesh he, (the spirit), came in. for that flesh was prepared by him before he shared himself in it, supportive scripture, Hebrews 10:5 "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:" so if you have book chapter and verse stating other wise please post the names of father and mother who conceived that flesh in Mary's womb. and I will call that statement into check because it is the Holy Ghost, Jesus himself as the ordinal First who prepared that body of flesh in mary's womb, scripture, Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." see, justbyfaith, no woman can conceive a spirit, and the Lord Jesus is before his flesh, not even you and my spirit is concieved by any woman, but are given by God. the only thing a man and a woman can re-produce is NATURAL flesh, and the baby produce it's OWN blood. and the body that the Lord Jesus came in had nothing to do with Joseph nor Mary, or any other human in conceiving it.
when one have a mother and father NATURALLY then one is a "Partaker" in flesh and blood, just as Hebrews 2:14 clearly states, listen "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;" see the difference, "Partaker" and "Took part". now lets see the "took part"
Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" LIKENESS, LIKNESS, for the WORD was "MADE" Flesh, see John 1:14. he was truly a MAN, with the G2758 κενόω kenoo Spirit, but he is the TRUE man to COME, without sin. the Last Adam who is God's, the Lord Jesus, the ordinal First, own Image to come. (see Genesis 1:26, and Romans 5:14b). this is the the US, the OUR .... the "IMAGE"... that was to come, the ordinal Last.
see justbyfaith, by "TAKING" on flesh in the LIKENESS of man, he have no biologial father, or mother, so he had to "MAKE" or prepared his own body of flesh to come in. Mary only birth it, that flesh which God made in her.
so the difference between "Partake" in flesh and blood is to have Human biological parents, (which the Lord Jesus do not have). and "taking part, or "Took Part", is being in the LIKENESS of flesh and blood but, ( withouit human biological parents). THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF THE immaculate conception, BINGO, understand now.
side note: just in case if you have any doubts about where your spirit and everyone else "spirit" come from, is from God, who upon Natural death, the first death, returnes back to God who gave it, supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:"
see justbyfaith, your spirit in you don't come from your biologial father, or mother, they cannot produce a spirit, for a spirit is only GIVEN by God. and if God give not that FLESH a "spirit". excuse my expression to any mother who may have had experience this, the baby is "STILL BORN".... DEAD, naturally. for no "spirit" was given, just ask king David about that.
so I hope you now understand the difference between "Partake", (with parents), and "Took Part", (without Parents) concering flesh and blood reporduction.
PICJAG.