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King James Version Only...?

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by LC627, Aug 30, 2020.

  1. Wrangler

    Wrangler Well-Known Member

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    Same with the OT. In todays' devotional reading of the NSRV Cultural Bible, a study note in Obadiah explained how the actual Hebrew words were like a definition of a single word we have today.

    If I read a book that did not use "boot" or "team" or "splint" or some other mundane word but instead used the definitions of these words, I would lose interest. I'm far too impatient for such translation non-sense. I have higher expectations from the translators than to waste my time on irrelevant 'word for word' purity standards.

    In the fast-paced 21st century America, speed is the key to effective communication. This is why companies have even re-branded themselves. Coca-Cola is referred to as Coke. Federal Express is FedEx. Kentucky Fried Chicken is now KFC.

    To the KJV-only-ists, the may cry "But you are changing the word of God!" Nonsense. The word of God is simply being properly translated into a different language. So, I'm big on "thought" translations (often put down incorrectly as 'paraphrases') which faithfully translate whole sentences and even paragraphs.

    John The Baptist said he was unworthy to even untie footwear often made of leather that is open to the air allowing for quick drying and typically not worn with socks. How wordy. Sandals!:)
     
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  2. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

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    Calm down.

    The beginning of the GT is in Rev 6 and the end of the GT is in Rev 19.

    You cannot look at is cross-eyed.

    You do that and you become a mess.

    The seals must be opened in 6 before 11 and 16 can be unleashed.
     
  3. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

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    No, I watch you guys.

    You know, the KJV debunkers.

    You know, the "all translations are wrong-ists".

    You know, "the pure word of God is lost to the world-ists".
     
  4. Davy

    Davy Well-Known Member

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    I am calm, and very awake!

    No, events before, during, and after the great tribulation are given within the Seals, and the Trumpets, and the Vials. The seven main Signs Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse parallel the Seals in Revelation 6.

    I would be ashamed to have said something like that, it's idiotic.

    Nope. That's men's theory of the order of Revelation events. Don't you understand that if the event of Christ's day of WRATH is being spoken about, that is... the day of His wrath? (as per Revelation 6:16-17 on the 6th Seal; Revelation 11:18 on the 7th Trumpet; and Revelation 16:17-19 on the 7th Vial).
     
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    Truther Well-Known Member

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    Preterism???
     
  6. Davy

    Davy Well-Known Member

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    What about Preterism? I'm not a Preterist, nor a Historicist, nor a Futurist. I follow the flow of God's Word line upon line. Those doctrines of men don't, because they instead pick and choose verses to abuse in order to try and support 'their' made up doctrines. Then they parade their self-important credentials around for the gullible to make them think they know The Bible when they really do not.
     
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    You interpret the prophecy like a preterist. I highlighted it above. You are saying Rev 6 happened 2000 years ago there.
     
  8. Davy

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    You must be reading someone else's post. I NEVER said that Revelation 6 was past history! Somehow, you have gotten that idea into your mind from others.

    So... if you think... Christ's Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13 was history, then you are grossly deceived, and it would also mean you deject Christ's revelation there about the day of His return and gathering of His saints, which is still future to us (Matthew 24:29-31).

    So try Bible study for yourself, instead of heeding men's doctrines that say Christ's Olivet discourse is history already, which that idea that His Olivet discourse is history is actually what Preterists believe.
     
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    Then I must have been MISinformed that the nkjv was from the "Alexandrian text"?

    Suffice it to say, I am not KJVO, but I am KJV (English) + Textus Receptus + ALL KJV foreign translations from the same. Amen? My personal view:

    Bible "versions"
     
  10. Truther

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    i think your posts make you appear to be preteristic. I am a futurist.
     
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    Probably because of what the Pre-trib doctors have taught you.

    No, I'm not a Preterist. Partial Preterism believes most of the Book of Revelation has already been fulfilled. I definitely do not believe that, and my writings clearly show that. So evidently you either don't understand the doctrines of Preterism, or you haven't really been reading what I've written.

    Full Preterism believes that Christ's 2nd coming was history in the times of His Apostles, because they claim it was to be a 'spiritual' coming only (whatever that stupidity means). I definitely do not believe that silly idea either, and it's obvious to me how the enemies of Christ were behind that theory.

    I most often get wrongly associated with Futurists because I believe much of Revelation is still future, and I see the Book of Daniel connection with it, and the still existing "one week" for the end per Daniel 9:27. Preterists don't see that. But Futurists do, and they often associate the Pre-trib Rapture theory with Futurists. Yet I do NOT believe in a Pre-trib Rapture theory at all.
     
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  12. Davy

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    Anyone who reads the modern versions based on Wescott and Hort's Greek translation (i.e., like the NIV), can see similar wordage in the NKJV. So someone is telling a LIE...

    "Contrary to what the original purpose was stated to be, the NKJV is a new translation, not a mere
    language update. Not only that, the translation changes impact key doctrines of the Scripture, such as the eternal punishment of the lost in hell." (from link below)

    https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.tbsbibles...D229A90560F/An-Examination-of-NKJV-Part-1.pdf
     
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    I guess our only difference is I am pre-trib.
     
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    Could be....

    Nor am I an Amillennialist, which they don't believe the "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20 is literal. I do believe it is a literal period that begins at Christ's future return. So that makes me a Pre-millennialist, just as the 1st century Church fathers also were. Pre-tribs are Pre-millennialists also.
     
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    Yes, I am also a literalist per the OT and NT prophecies.
     
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    I try to steer away from those kind of labels, because God's Word is always literal in the sense that, even with a parable, analogy, idiom, figure of speech, or allegory, it is still ultimately about something real.

    A literalist to me is one who mistakes the symbols or metaphors in the parable or allegory being what the real Message is about. It's not. Like Jesus said you don't put new wine in old bottles lest they break, His Message was not about literal wine and bottles; it was about trying to give "strong meat" of His Word to those still on the "milk". Their minds simply cannot handle the "strong meat". The new wine means freshly fermenting wine that needs room to expand while it's aging. The old bottles represents those still sucking on the 'milk' of His Word when they ought to be teachers of His Word after a time (Hebrews 5).
     
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    I mean, by literalist, I don't "spiritualize" plain scripture.

    I take it at face value.

    I am not looking for hidden meanings in a verse or passage.

    I leave that to the professional verse twisters.
     
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    I don't spiritualize God's Word either, and I take God's Word as HIS Word, not man's, so I realize when man is speaking and when God is speaking (via His Word). Those of His servants He calls, they will speak HIS Word, and not their own. Those He did not call, they speak their 'own' word, because He did not send them (Ezekiel 13).

    There are no hidden messages in God's Word, it's only that God's parables and allegories in His Word are foolishness to the profane whom He did not call. Their spiritual eyes He has closed, so they are not given to understand spiritual things, even as Apostle Paul said (1 Corinthians 2:13-16).
     
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    Great post.
     
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