Kingdom Now, Really?

[Davy]

Did you know brethren that "Kingdom Now" is actually a seminary doctrine among the Charismatics? I'd always called it that before I knew that's what they call it themselves.

They believe that certain ones among Christ's believers are "covenant people", and already "overcomers", and that God through them, and through 'their' social institutions, governments and laws, that this present world is to be brought under God's authority. They believe that through Jesus and The Holy Spirit they believe they have all authority in heaven and on earth, and that we can bring the Kingdom Age. In other words, they believe it's up to them to establish Christ's Kingdom here on earth.

Some of the "Kingdom Now" folks also don't believe in a 'rapture'. They believe those in Christ will simply be emotionally exalted when Jesus returns to receive the Kingdom from our hands. One of their most radical ideas is that all evil influence on earth must be eradicated by the Church, and that Jesus cannot return until the Church has put all enemies under its feet.

What do you 'see'... by those above doctrines brethren? What movement going on today would best serve that kind of above working for this present world?

Can you say, "one world government"? What's that?

The goal of a "one world government" has been described as one of the goals of the United Nations strategy (see Agenda 21, and the document "Freedom from War: The United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World".)

Also see ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen's 1958 book The Naked Communist. In it he listed as one of the Soviet Communist's long-range strategies as a "one world government", and that if the U.N. were involved, that should be its goal.

If you've studied Christ's Book of Revelation, then you well know about the final beast kingdom that is to be setup over all nations and peoples upon this earth for the end (Revelation 13). We're even shown it will make war with the saints for 42 months. Does that sound like the "Kingdom Now" folks will be in control? Obviously not.

Is there evidence of this movement among our U.S. leaders? Yes, for it doesn't take much to look back at our government officials purposefully eroding our national sovereignty and handing it to the U.N. And many of those officials are baptized Christians! So what about that?

Could there be a faction 'within' the "Kingdom Now" folks all along with the purpose of deceiving Christian brethren into their secret goal of a "one world government", which is to be ruled by Lucifer at the end, a beast kingdom of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns?

Yes, I strongly believe that is what the "Kingdom Now" movement is secretly about, and many of their adherents don't have a clue about that secret goal. Their movement is just too good to be true to NOT be about helping to setup a "one world government." I mean, all those in Christ desire true peace under Jesus our King. So why not be working towards world peace to help bring Christ's coming faster?

Well, here's one reason why not...

Dan 8:23-25
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
KJV

That is about the end of this present world when the coming false-Messiah arrives first, prior to our Lord Jesus' return. Jesus and His Apostles Paul, and John all warned us about that false one coming first at the end, and Jesus told us when 'they' say things like, "Behold, Christ is here, or there", Jesus said believe it not.

In 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 Apostle Paul marked those deceived with the "sudden destruction" on the last day coming upon them, while they are saying, "Peace and safety". It means they will be thinking Christ has actually come, when in reality it will be a false-Messiah they will fall away to. False Messiah's goal is world peace per the above Daniel 8 Scripture, and that will be one of his main weapons to deceive the whole world, for 42 months (Revelation 13:4-8). Those who stand in Christ Jesus waiting on His return, will not be deceived by that false one.

This is why we always need to be very careful in checking out what a Church believes and teaches if we go looking for a Church to attend. Don't allow fellowship and association to fool you, and sure, there's good Christians in every Church that keeps The Gospel of Jesus Christ. Just remember though, only 2 Churches in Revelation did Jesus not have any problem with. The other 5 Churches had problems in them, though not all members were guilty. His 7 Messages in Revelation 2 & 3 thus are still... in effect for ALL Christian Churches today, and they are to be used as the Measure.

 

[Behold]

They believe that certain ones among Christ's believers are "covenant people", and already "overcomers",

Many Cross denying cults teach that you must "overcome" and "endure to the end".......to be able to go to heaven.
That is the devil's gospel of works....as there is no "gift of salvation" in that demonic gospel of "self saving".

The Cross teaches that Jesus has already overcome for you, in that you have already received eternal life and the Gift of Salvation, and are already in the Kingdom of God.

In Fact, all the Born again........not water baptized religious fakirs...but the BORN AGAIN, have already overcome.

Notice what John teaches.., regarding the born again.

""""Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?”

= That is all the born again.

 

[Davy]

Many Cross denying cults teach that you must "overcome" and "endure to the end".......to be able to go to heaven.
That is the devil's gospel of works....as there is no "gift of salvation" in that demonic gospel of "self saving".

The Cross teaches that Jesus has already overcome for you, in that you have already received eternal life and the Gift of Salvation, and are already in the Kingdom of God.

In Fact, all the Born again........not water baptized religious fakirs...but the BORN AGAIN, have already overcome.

Notice what John teaches.., regarding the born again.

""""Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?”

= That is all the born again.

Yeah, but the believer can go a little too far with that kind of thinking too, because we've been warned by Lord Jesus and His Apostles about the end of this world, and how only the truly Faithful will be prepared to make a stand against the final Antichrist, and by that... truly become the 'overcomers' in Christ Jesus.

Further, it is dangerous thinking that since Jesus overcame for us on His cross, that that means today's world is His Kingdom already come. That's what the "Kingdom Now" folks believe and push, while secretly working for the coming Rev.13 beast kingdom. Those are deceived.

Today, ONLY Christ's SPIRITUAL KINGDOM is here on earth. And that is not beholding to any structure by man. It is the spiritual temple joined together by Christ as The Cornerstone, the prophets and the Apostles, through God by The Holy Spirit. It is of The Spirit, and thus cannot be corrupted. That... is what is manifest here on earth today by believers on Jesus Christ. It's not the physical buildings on earth we can see, it's what's in them involving those in The Faith.

However, God's Word declares there is... a PHYSICAL KINGDOM under Jesus as our KING coming also, at His future return. And the Book of Zechariah reveals that He, as "THE BRANCH", will build the temple (i.e., 'sanctuary' of the Book of Ezekiel). And He will be a KING-PRIEST upon His throne, on earth. So that is a LITERAL KINGDOM that is coming ONLY when He returns in our near future. That today is what those of Faith on Him are to hope for.

 

[Behold]

Yeah, but the believer can go a little too far with that kind of thinking too, because we've been warned by Lord Jesus and His Apostles about the end of this world, and how only the truly Faithful will be prepared to make a stand against the final Antichrist, and by that... truly become the 'overcomers' in Christ Jesus.

Im not quite sure if you are talking about after the 1000 yr reign of Yeshua, or if you are talking about the Grt Trib.

Which?

 

[quietthinker]

Kingdom Now, Really?
Such pesky ideas!....should they be stoned?

 

[Davy]

Im not quite sure if you are talking about after the 1000 yr reign of Yeshua, or if you are talking about the Grt Trib.

Which?

I'm pointing to the great tribulation Jesus foretold us about. Our generation may very well be the last one that will see His coming. And I see that great tribulation just around the corner per the Signs He gave us to watch.

 

[Bob Estey]

Did you know brethren that "Kingdom Now" is actually a seminary doctrine among the Charismatics? I'd always called it that before I knew that's what they call it themselves.

They believe that certain ones among Christ's believers are "covenant people", and already "overcomers", and that God through them, and through 'their' social institutions, governments and laws, that this present world is to be brought under God's authority. They believe that through Jesus and The Holy Spirit they believe they have all authority in heaven and on earth, and that we can bring the Kingdom Age. In other words, they believe it's up to them to establish Christ's Kingdom here on earth.

Some of the "Kingdom Now" folks also don't believe in a 'rapture'. They believe those in Christ will simply be emotionally exalted when Jesus returns to receive the Kingdom from our hands. One of their most radical ideas is that all evil influence on earth must be eradicated by the Church, and that Jesus cannot return until the Church has put all enemies under its feet.

What do you 'see'... by those above doctrines brethren? What movement going on today would best serve that kind of above working for this present world?

Can you say, "one world government"? What's that?

The goal of a "one world government" has been described as one of the goals of the United Nations strategy (see Agenda 21, and the document "Freedom from War: The United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World".)

Also see ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen's 1958 book The Naked Communist. In it he listed as one of the Soviet Communist's long-range strategies as a "one world government", and that if the U.N. were involved, that should be its goal.

If you've studied Christ's Book of Revelation, then you well know about the final beast kingdom that is to be setup over all nations and peoples upon this earth for the end (Revelation 13). We're even shown it will make war with the saints for 42 months. Does that sound like the "Kingdom Now" folks will be in control? Obviously not.

Is there evidence of this movement among our U.S. leaders? Yes, for it doesn't take much to look back at our government officials purposefully eroding our national sovereignty and handing it to the U.N. And many of those officials are baptized Christians! So what about that?

Could there be a faction 'within' the "Kingdom Now" folks all along with the purpose of deceiving Christian brethren into their secret goal of a "one world government", which is to be ruled by Lucifer at the end, a beast kingdom of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns?

Yes, I strongly believe that is what the "Kingdom Now" movement is secretly about, and many of their adherents don't have a clue about that secret goal. Their movement is just too good to be true to NOT be about helping to setup a "one world government." I mean, all those in Christ desire true peace under Jesus our King. So why not be working towards world peace to help bring Christ's coming faster?

Well, here's one reason why not...

Dan 8:23-25
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
KJV

That is about the end of this present world when the coming false-Messiah arrives first, prior to our Lord Jesus' return. Jesus and His Apostles Paul, and John all warned us about that false one coming first at the end, and Jesus told us when 'they' say things like, "Behold, Christ is here, or there", Jesus said believe it not.

In 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 Apostle Paul marked those deceived with the "sudden destruction" on the last day coming upon them, while they are saying, "Peace and safety". It means they will be thinking Christ has actually come, when in reality it will be a false-Messiah they will fall away to. False Messiah's goal is world peace per the above Daniel 8 Scripture, and that will be one of his main weapons to deceive the whole world, for 42 months (Revelation 13:4-8). Those who stand in Christ Jesus waiting on His return, will not be deceived by that false one.

This is why we always need to be very careful in checking out what a Church believes and teaches if we go looking for a Church to attend. Don't allow fellowship and association to fool you, and sure, there's good Christians in every Church that keeps The Gospel of Jesus Christ. Just remember though, only 2 Churches in Revelation did Jesus not have any problem with. The other 5 Churches had problems in them, though not all members were guilty. His 7 Messages in Revelation 2 & 3 thus are still... in effect for ALL Christian Churches today, and they are to be used as the Measure.

Jesus told us, "Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand" (Matthew 4:17). That tells me that if we repent we will have peace - now.

 

[Davy]

Jesus told us, "Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand" (Matthew 4:17). That tells me that if we repent we will have peace - now.

Then you fail in how to properly 'rightly divide' God's Word. That means in your case, instead of you keeping in account prophecy in the rest of God's Word, you instead isolate the Matthew 4:17 passage and apply your 'own' meaning to it, which is to remove that verse out of the context flow of God's Word. (Lord Jesus hadn't even died on the cross yet at that point, and The New Covenant wasn't even offered yet, nor in effect at that point.)

This is why it is essential, not just recommended, but essential, to study God's Word the way He prescribed, as per Isaiah 28, 'line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little'.

This is why also that very few Churches actually teach all The Bible line upon line, chapter by chapter. Instead most preachers will pick a topic and assign a verse or two they think fits that topic, and preach on that for an hour. And often the verses they use for backup have nothing to do with their created topic.

Line upon line, chapter by chapter teaching 'prevents'... that kind of Bible abuse. Line upon line teaching forces the preacher to stay within the flow of all of God's Word. And by that our Heavenly Father and His Son is allowed to speak His originally intended Message.

 

[Bob Estey]

Then you fail in how to properly 'rightly divide' God's Word. That means in your case, instead of you keeping in account prophecy in the rest of God's Word, you instead isolate the Matthew 4:17 passage and apply your 'own' meaning to it, which is to remove that verse out of the context flow of God's Word. (Lord Jesus hadn't even died on the cross yet at that point, and The New Covenant wasn't even offered yet, nor in effect at that point.)

This is why it is essential, not just recommended, but essential, to study God's Word the way He prescribed, as per Isaiah 28, 'line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little'.

This is why also that very few Churches actually teach all The Bible line upon line, chapter by chapter. Instead most preachers will pick a topic and assign a verse or two they think fits that topic, and preach on that for an hour. And often the verses they use for backup have nothing to do with their created topic.

Line upon line, chapter by chapter teaching 'prevents'... that kind of Bible abuse. Line upon line teaching forces the preacher to stay within the flow of all of God's Word. And by that our Heavenly Father and His Son is allowed to speak His originally intended Message.

We really can't understand Matthew 4:17 until we do as Jesus said - repent of our sin.

 

[Davy]

We really can't understand Matthew 4:17 until we do as Jesus said - repent of our sin.

We actually cannot understand much of God's Word until we repent and believe on Jesus Christ and are baptized by The Holy Spirit. Then He opens His Word up to us, BUT ONLY IF we listen to Him in HIS WORD, staying in it, and being careful with listening to men.

It is natural for the new babe in Christ to want to trust learned men who attended seminary college, but that does not mean they learned The Bible, because the seminaries don't really teach much Bible (as admitted to me by more than one seminary graduate). They learn the denominational system's doctrines, Church history, administration, teaching The Gospel, and maybe two years of a Bible language (Hebrew or Greek). Studying and understanding the rest of The Bible is up to them to learn.

All Churches can preach The Gospel of Jesus Christ, that's their main job. But not all Churches teach all the Bible, like from Genesis all the way through to the end of Revelation, line upon line, chapter by chapter. They are supposed to, but they don't, or cannot, because one must have that calling from God. Most small Churches don't have a learned one in that office. Some of the wealthier Churches do have a Bible scholar teaching Bible, and that's all he does for that Church.

What do we do then in these times, because per Bible prophecy for the end, God revealed that our proper teachers are removed into a corner today, meaning they are seldom heard? (Isaiah 30:20). The answer is for each that is able, to discipline oneself in all of God's Word line upon line, chapter by chapter, asking God for understanding.

If you will do that, then you will know how to properly interpret that Matthew 4:17 verse you keep quoting.

 

[Ziggy]

Kingdom Now, Really?
Such pesky ideas!....should they be stoned?

3 https://www.lightbearers.org/convocation/live/

Unbelievable!

What an awesome video that was brother, thank you for sharing.
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Jesus told us, "Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand" (Matthew 4:17). That tells me that if we repent we will have peace - now.

And that there is no fear in love

Hugs

 

[Davy]

3 https://www.lightbearers.org/convocation/live/

Unbelievable!

What an awesome video that was brother, thank you for sharing.
Hugs

I tried to get through the first video, but couldn't, because he was just condensing too much of The Bible per his own view, which became obvious eventually why, because he had devised his own 'system' theories, which actually left God's Word.

It's awful tempting to start one's own little following in the name of Christ, and make money with it, because there are so many gullible believers that just won't discipline themselves in study of all of God's Word, but rely on men to do it for them. For those who have disabilities and can't do that, then I understand why they lean towards such movements and organizations. And preaching The Gospel is a good work that organization is doing, but after one has believed and been baptized, do they need to keep having The Gospel preached to them again, and again, and again?

 

[Ziggy]

I tried to get through the first video, but couldn't, because he was just condensing too much of The Bible per his own view, which became obvious eventually why, because he had devised his own 'system' theories, which actually left God's Word.

It's awful tempting to start one's own little following in the name of Christ, and make money with it, because there are so many gullible believers that just won't discipline themselves in study of all of God's Word, but rely on men to do it for them. For those who have disabilities and can't do that, then I understand why they lean towards such movements and organizations. And preaching The Gospel is a good work that organization is doing, but after one has believed and been baptized, do they need to keep having The Gospel preached to them again, and again, and again?

You just all full of bitterness and gall.
Why is that?
Think happy thoughts

Hugs

 

[Davy]

You just all full of bitterness and gall.
Why is that?
Think happy thoughts

Hugs

Maybe you should just store your Bible up on a shelf and make up your own religion, since that appears to be the 'spirit' you are heeding. Jesus said He did not come to bring peace upon this earth, meaning for this present world, but a sword (Matthew 10):

Matt 10:34-39
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of Me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after Me, is not worthy of Me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for My sake shall find it.
KJV

We are to be preparing today for 'spiritual war', not playing happy-go-lucky feel-good religion. Religion is man's working; Christianity is NOT a religion, it is the TRUTH. Religion is something man does to try and make himself appear holy and righteous. God views righteousness through just deeds and keeping His Word, not man trying to create his own little religious following asking for money. Those Jesus told us are 'hirelings' (John 10). When the wolves creep in, they run, allowing the sheep to be broken up.

When Apostle John took the "book" and ate it, it was sweet as honey to the taste, but bitter to the belly (Revelation 10). It means we MUST take the good with the bad written in God's Word so as to not be deceived.

 

[Ziggy]

Maybe you should just store your Bible up on a shelf and make up your own religion, since that appears to be the 'spirit' you are heeding. Jesus said He did not come to bring peace upon this earth, meaning for this present world, but a sword (Matthew 10):

Matt 10:34-39
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of Me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after Me, is not worthy of Me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for My sake shall find it.
KJV

We are to be preparing today for 'spiritual war', not playing happy-go-lucky feel-good religion. Religion is man's working; Christianity is NOT a religion, it is the TRUTH. Religion is something man does to try and make himself appear holy and righteous. God views righteousness through just deeds and keeping His Word, not man trying to create his own little religious following asking for money. Those Jesus told us are 'hirelings' (John 10). When the wolves creep in, they run, allowing the sheep to be broken up.

When Apostle John took the "book" and ate it, it was sweet as honey to the taste, but bitter to the belly (Revelation 10). It means we MUST take the good with the bad written in God's Word so as to not be deceived.

you see this, what we are doing right now?
We are sparring with words.
This is causing a division.
So I'm going to lay down my sword and pick up that cross and follow him. And if you choose to stab me in the back, that's your choice.
Or we can both turn our swords into plowshares and make peace.

What say you?
Hugs

 

[quietthinker]

3 https://www.lightbearers.org/convocation/live/

Unbelievable!

What an awesome video that was brother, thank you for sharing.
Hugs

hey hey!

The owner of the other site you couldn't access was not aware it was down. He's looking into it.

 

[Davy]

you see this, what we are doing right now?
We are sparring with words.
This is causing a division.
So I'm going to lay down my sword and pick up that cross and follow him. And if you choose to stab me in the back, that's your choice.
Or we can both turn our swords into plowshares and make peace.

What say you?
Hugs

You poor misguided soul, you want to appear so... righteous, even though you threw an unwarranted attack directly at me just for my declaring God's written Word.

 

[Ziggy]

You poor misguided soul, you want to appear so... righteous, even though you threw an unwarranted attack directly at me just for my declaring God's written Word.

nevermind then..

 

[farouk]

nevermind then..

@Ziggy I guess one could say that the kingdom and the church in Scripture are not exactly the same?