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LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

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  1. Duane Clinton Meehan

    Duane Clinton Meehan Active Member

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    The viability of law as a motivational force exercised on a basis of punishment, purportedly efficient to make and maintain decent civil interpersonal conduct, is questionable in terms of the incorrectness of scholars of jurisprudence in regard to a supposedly conduct-originative law linguistic, whereby language of law is mistakenly deemed to be a conduct-determinative causal force among men, thus, both jurisprudential scholarship and extant language of law exhibit vacuity in regard to the actual ontological mode whereby a human act originates; hence all current jurisprudence/law clearly appears to be confused and unintelligible at the level of the ontological mode of the origination of a human act, and therefore, law, as a mistakenly presupposed determinative efficacy among men, is subject to being re-modeled to prevent ultimately being discarded as a non-viable means to having and doing civilizational civility:

    LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

    No person in fact ever determines to act or forbear action on the basis of given published language of law, and, therefore, language of law, absolutely without originative connection with intentional human action/inaction, can, actually, be neither obeyed, disobeyed, nor broken.

    All determination to action and inaction upsurges only on the basis of what is absent, is purely imagined, is an unaccomplished desideratum, and, has not yet intentionally transpired.

    That human determination to action arises ex nihilo was first realized and enunciated by Baruch Spinoza (1632 -1677 ), as "...determinatio negatio est…" i.e., ...determination is negation...(1674); and was, subsequently, restated by G.W.F. Hegel (1770-1831) as "Omnis determinatio est negatio.", i.e., "All determination is negation."

    Human beings are ontologically barred from being determined to action or inaction by given states of affairs.

    J. P. Sartre’s (1901-1980 ) examination of the ontological structure of the upsurge of a human act exhibits comprehension of Spinoza's dictum: “No factual state whatever it may be (the political and economic structure of society, the psychological “state,” etc.) is capable by itself of motivating any act whatsoever. For an act is a projection of the for-itself toward what is not, and what is can in no way determine by itself what is not.” (Being and Nothingness, 1943). And, further: “But if human reality is action, this means evidently that its determination to action is itself action. If we reject this principle, and if we admit that human reality can be determined to action by a prior state of the world or itself, this amounts to putting a given at the beginning of the series. Then these acts disappear as acts in order to give place to a series of movements...The existence of the act implies its autonomy...Furthermore, if the act is not pure motion, it must be defined by an

    intention. No matter how this intention is considered, it can be only a surpassing of the given toward a result to be attained. This given, in fact, since it is pure presence, can not get out of itself. Precisely because it is, it is fully and solely what it is. Therefore it can not provide the reason for a phenomenon which derives all its meaning from a result to be attained; that is, from a non-existent… This intention, which is the fundamental structure of human reality, can in no case be explained by a given, not even if it is presented as an emanation from a given.” (Being and Nothingness, 1943).

    The intentional conduct of an individual human freedom cannot be determined and initiated by given law.

    Civilization is currently predicated upon the putative rule of law and American civilization is founded upon the erroneous presupposition that language of law is determinative of both overt human conduct, and of human forbearance to act.

    The venal jurisprudential attempt to monitor/control human conduct via language of law is a vain project unsuited to and in contradiction with the ontological structure of being a human being, wherein all determination is negation.

    The world-wide presupposed efficacy of language of law as an originative determinative source of human conduct, is, when considered in the light of both Spinozas dictum, and, of the human ontological structure of the upsurge of an act, a completely nonsensical presupposition..


    Human existential absurdity designates givens as cause/motive/determinant of one’s action, while, all the while, human action exclusively originates ex nihilo, via consciousnesses’ nihilative capacity.


    Jurisprudential illusion is an instance of human existential absurdity wherein the illusion consists in blindly, mistakenly, presupposing given language of law to be determinative of human action and inaction; --- jurisprudential illusion is the ontologically unintelligible misconception of mistakenly presupposing given language of law determines one’s acts, and/or, that one determines one’s self to act, or forbear action, by given law.

    America is currently suffering under radically rampant human misconduct, including daily mass mudrer, as a practico-inert consequence of attempting to constitute civilization via the ontologically unintelligible theoretical construct “law”; a “law” which is, in itself, defective and illusional human misconduct par excellence.

    We Americans can exit practico-inert consequences of deeming law to be a means to civilization, and, actually achieve civilization by comprehending, and using, our human ontological structure as pattern for civilized adaptation to being human...
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    Do you think you could try rewriting that in English? We are all duly impressed, but some people might actually want to know what was said.
     
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    Willie T,
    It is surely written in English; an ilk of radically complex English whereby human existence is discussed within Existential Phenomenology; an ilk of English which I know I ought write in for the sake of forever expressing my thought in the highest possible way.

    If one finds something unintelligible at first glance, it merely means that one has encountered something temporarily beyond one's extant cognitive development, and, the way one grows one's sapientality is to study sufficiently to finally begin to understand what an author is saying. One asks in vain when one asks an auteur to restate his text precisely for and at one's particular level of intellectual development! It requires five hundred years of being read before a genuine ideaologist is understood all the way down to grassroots persons...
    Duane
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    Brother, you are thicker than I thought. You might do well to read my SIGNATURE. One has not communicated if they don't understand how to reach their audience.
     
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    What is your SIGNATURE? You imply I do not understand how to communicate and then leave me in the lurch regarding something you are speaking of as your signature?! I will read your signature if and when I figure out what/where it is...
     
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    Well said Willie...glad I wasn't the only one!! lol
     
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    ...do what...you are joking I hope...is that how you speak in the grocery store and to your neighbours ?

    Look at post # two again if you actually wish this to be a discussion and not just prose ....

    As Willie said :-
    One has not communicated if they don't understand how to reach their audience.
     
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    Helen;
    I am not speaking to my neighbors or to my grocery store; I am addressing the world regarding future possibilities concerning what we humans think we are accomplishing with law. Okay, fine, so, according to you I have not communicated to you personally concerning my subject matter; have not written in English...I'll bet a million dollars you understand precisely what I am discussing, although, perhaps, you indeed do not follow most of the language presented...

    When it was written that "One has not communicated if they don't..." it appears that some person is being referred to simultaneously as being both single and plural, both a One, and, a They!? That construction is, in fact, nonsensical nonsense which gives the impression the author is generally confused.

    By the way, all of the considerations contained in Replies thus far are exercises in argumentum ad hominem; do not engage me in a dialectic concerning the viability of my position; and, do, instead, merely address the structure of my person in terms of mere perceived lacks which are a function of lack of education and reflection on the reader's behalf...and, are not lacks actually objectively ascribable to me!
    Duane
     
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    Yeah, some people so desirous of being noticed, never even stop to wonder why Jesus didn't speak in such a silly manner.
     
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    That's why Jesus said you must be born again.

    Much love!
     
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    Just so!

    :)
     
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    And perhaps we would discuss the things of God with you and even tell where and how to find someone's signature on this forum were you to speak to us in our language. You may be a very mature well educated man in languages and/or other specialities of yours, but few, if any, of us here are there. Consider us children if you will. How would you attempt to get your ideas across to a normal human child under the age of 10 years? Would you switch to Spanish or German when you knew that the child grew up with his parents in Oklahoma City?
     
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    Let me help you interpret it...lol...basically Americans have become a bunch of spoiled-rotten rebellious little brats with no regard for any type of authority to govern how they live.....and no belief in a system of reward vs punishment...
    How's that?
     
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    If you have no idea what a "Forum Signature" is, I don't think I can help you much. Our "signatures" appear with every post any of us makes.... unless you have selected the option to turn them off. (On this particular forum, you may have to choose to turn them "ON", so I can understand you not being aware of it if your sapientality extends no further than the operation of this one forum's functions.)

    My SIGNATURE can be seen on my "Profile Page." But, here is the part I am referring to:
    "True eloquence consists in saying all that is necessary, and only that which is."
    François Duc de La Rochefoucauld
     
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    @Willie T ....this was meant as humor.
     
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    Amadeus;
    A tremendous number of Christian ministers have PhD's in Theology and/or philosophy. Clearly I am addressing the most highly educated persons among Christians. My introductory paragraph is somewhat complex; however, the body of the essay is relatively uncomplicated and straightforward language, subject to comprehension by anyone with even a minimal scholarly bent, and, Christians are scholarly types, always studying and delving into biblical concepts. I am not addressing ten year old children; I am addressing cognitively developed adult persons who normally engage in textual exegesis. Why on earth do most of my interlocutors here desire that I be something totally other than what I am!? Instead of highly developed intelligence, a dumbed-down Simple Simon is repeatedly being unreasonably demanded, precisely in a situation wherein Law per se is being subjected to an overwhelming theoretical destruction!? The situation being addressed by my writing is absolutely non-simple, and, requires an engagement with the language and theoretical constructs of existential phenomenological ontology, which are among the very most difficult human constructs to comprehend without some intellectual work...and, I actually have relatively simplified certain concepts, for instance my discussion of existential absurdity is certainly very basic and straightforward enough for grassroots persons to follow...
    Duane
     
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    11 Ways You're Being Condescending Without Realizing It
    & How To Fix It — By
    Carolyn Steber Jul 21, 2016

    Nobody likes hanging out with a condescending person. They are universally disliked, and their "advice" is hardly ever appreciated. And yet, even though you know better, you might sometimes find yourself being the one who is condescending. Yes, even if you are usually super nice. And yes, even if you don't mean any harm.

    Because, even if you're the sweetest person in the world, it's still possible to let your accidental superiority complex shine on. It makes sense why this might happen, too. After years of being a kid, you are finally a true, bonafide grownup in control of your own destiny. The moment you see some young thing strugglin' along (like you once did), it can be really
    difficult to keep your judge-y advice to yourself.

    This can happen in all sorts of instances — in your relationship, your career, while with friends. But let's look at your career, for a second. It's taken you forever to work your way up from total underling, to someone with a bit of responsibility. So how can you possibly not come off as slightly condescending when helping the new girl learn the ropes?

    That's just the thing. You probably
    don't even realize you are being condescending. Helpful, yes. Accommodating, sure. But condescending? Couldn't be. And yet it happens. So take a look at some of these ways you're accidentally being condescending (whoops), as well as how to fix it.

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    1. When You Assume You Know Everything

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with being confident in your knowledge. But unless you are some kind of scholar who has spent fifty years studying a single subject, then it's doubtful you actually do know everything. Nobody likes a know-it-all, so if you think you're coming off this way, then try to be more open to other people's input, knowledge, and advice. You may just learn something new, after all.

    2. When You Aren't Polite To Salespeople

    Sometimes you want to run into a store, grab what you need, and GTFO. I get it. But this can lead to some rude (and condescending) encounters. Think of the times you've rushed a salesperson along, or talked down to a busy cashier. I'm sure you didn't mean to, but it still happened. Remember, it's not the salespeople's fault that you're running late, or in a hurry. So put yourself in their shoes, and always be polite.

    3. Those Times You Ignore A New Coworker

    Yes, you have been in your job for forever. But having seniority doesn't mean you have to turn your nose up at new employees. "If no one else has, give them a tour of the workspace and introduce them to key people they may need to work with in each department," suggested Heather Yamada-Hosely on Lifehacker.com. "Help them out with any tips you might have, like when the lunch area is most crowded or if certain people prefer to be addressed by a certain name." It'll make them feel welcome, and you far less imposing.

    4. Whilst Commenting On Someone's Outfit

    Unless you are dishing out a compliment, it's not really your place to pass judgement on what someone else is wearing. After all, their clothes can be a direct reflection of their personality, their mood, or their money situation. So if you don't have anything nice to say, simply don't say anything at all. Or, you can offer up a compliment that has nothing to do with their outward appearance, according to Lindsay Holmes on HuffingtonPost.com. Those are way better compliments, anyway.

    5. When You "Can't Relate" To Friend's Problem

    If a friend comes to you with a heart-wrenching issue, the last thing you want to say is, "Well, that's never happened to me, but..." I mean, really? Have you never been sad, or angry, or rejected? If not, use your dang imagination, and assist your friend in feeling a little less alone.

    6. The Times You Give Unsolicited Relationship Advice

    I'm sure you mean well when dishing out the relationship advice. But it can quickly get out of hand, not to mention super hurtful. So get permission before doling it out. "If you feel the need to offer unsolicited advice, ask them, 'Do you want some ideas to improve the situation?' This way they have the option to say no, and they’ll likely give you more attention when they’ve agreed to take your help," said Maelina Frattaroli on TinyBuddha.com.

    7. When You Can't Take Someone's Advice

    There's definitely a holier-than-thou vibe to people who can't take advice. It's usually not true, so don't be afraid of hearing someone out, especially if that person loves you and means well. Their advice may be just what you need.


    8. When You Speak Of Others In The Third Person
    Who knows why people do it, but every now and again someone will refer to someone in the group in the third person — as if he or she isn't standing right there. Don't let this be you.

    9. Whenever You Call Someone "Honey"

    I personally think it's absolutely adorable when, say, a sweet older lady calls me "hun." But not everyone likes it, so be careful when dishing out the pet names. It can come off as incredibly patronizing, according to Marya Smith on Prevention. So best keep them to yourself.

    10. The Times You Turn Someone Into A Joke

    Yes, it's tempting to throw out zingers at other people's expense, especially if you're hanging out with close friends. However, if you don't know for sure that people's feelings won't get hurt, it's best to resist your comedic urges, and save everyone the potential hurt.

    11. When You Don't Let Others Speak

    Again, hardly anyone does this type of thing on purpose. But think back to the times when someone else was talking (say, in a work meeting), and you talked over them. It may have come off as super go-getter of you, but in reality you deemed your voice to be more important than theirs. And that's not OK. Going forward, make it a point to give everyone the floor, and allow everyone to be heard. You'll be much better liked for it.

    And remember, there's nothing wrong with being confident, or making a joke. The only time it's a problem is when other people's feelings are being blatantly ignored. If you find yourself walking around with a condescending air, reign it all in, and remember to give others the respect they deserve.
     
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    It is not necessary for you to repeatedly insult my intelligence, and it would be preferable for you just to get off my back. I do not need any help from you. So I had no idea what you meant by your signature, so what!? And, the quality of my sapientality has noting to do with it. You are an unnecessarily boring bully; flake-off.
     
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    You are the one who made such a deal of having no idea what a Forum Signature was, not me.
     
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    I am indubitably a superior intellect; a superman. I am not being inadvertently condescending. I am simply authentically superior...
     
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