LAW IS NEITHER OBEYED DISOBEYED NOR BROKEN / AN EXISTENTIAL ONTOLOGICAL DISPROOF OF LAW

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@Duane Clinton Meehan , why do you get out of bed in the morning?

And I don't mean just because that's when it's light . . . what motivates you to do anything at all? Why do you act?

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We all act precisely for the reason that we continually see desideratum. Desideratum is lacuna, lack, need, absence, nothing. I see the desideratum that is Jehovah's lack of comprehension of the structure of the originative upsurge of a human act, thus, for instance, I act by writing an ontologically grounded destruction of the prevalent notion that Jehovah is deity.

Motivation is something one designates as one's reason for acting, from among things already contained in the world, which something does not in fact possess the capacity to move me to action. My action actually originates from my apprehension of the particular desideratum I see; thus the absurdity of being a human being, i.e., we all actually originate our actions out of desideratum and, nonetheless falsely name given things already extant in the world as the reasons for our acts. It is my knowledge of this phenomenon which allowed me to write an ontological destruction of Law; for Law is a something contained in the world which we commonly name as a reason for our acts, when, in fact, our acts do not truthfully arise on the basis of given states like laws, but, rather, invariably come to pass only on the basis of divers desideratum we continually apprehend/see.

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DNB;
Your latest series of replies attest to a nauseating stifling shallowness, and concomitant irrational sorely closedminded stupid refusal to provisionally respect and possibly engage profound contemporary scholarship regarding what a human being is; in preference for maintaining a blind and backward exclusive limitation of your horizons to ancient scriptural delusional superstition; supremely boring scriptural nonsensicality constitutes the extent of your narrowly provincial scholarship, and is a profligate waste of your beautiful young intelligence, which, via constricted scriptural provincialism, is lamentably reduced to starkly ugly prejudicial bigoted intolerance.

The suprajoined portrait of DNB constitutes description of other Christians participating in interactive discourse upon the Christianity Board website, and, indeed, describes an entire world of radically closed-minded Christian bigots.
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We all act precisely for the reason that we continually see desideratum.
That seems surface to me.

Cannot one see lack and do nothing?

It seems that you do not believe we were created, and have a creator, is that correct?

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That seems surface to me.

Cannot one see lack and do nothing?

It seems that you do not believe we were created, and have a creator, is that correct?

Much love!
Certainly one can see lack and do nothing.

When I peruse our cosmos it is crystal clear that there is a radical intelligence wholly beyond ours that is woven into the fabric of space/time , which has created/structured our being; however, it is not Jehovah/Christ/Holy Spirit, which putative deities are hypostatizations.
 

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Certainly one can see lack and do nothing.

When I peruse our cosmos it is crystal clear that there is a radical intelligence wholly beyond ours that is woven into the fabric of space/time , which has created/structured our being; however, it is not Jehovah/Christ/Holy Spirit, which putative deities are hypostatizations.
That sounds a lot like what I thought before I became a Christian.

When you say, woven in the fabric, excusing me for putting it this way, I don't think this is exactly what you mean, but in the same way the panthiest would speak?

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What makes that so?

Why can not One resurrect?
No dead man can resurrect because there has never been a recorded witness to such a thing and common sense knows better than to think authentically deceased persons come back to life; no one actually saw a dead Jesus and no one saw Jesus resurrect and, I don't think He was actually dead, merely comatose.
 

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No dead man can resurrect because there has never been a recorded witness to such a thing and common sense knows better than to think authentically deceased persons come back to life;
It can't happen because no one has seen it?

There are many things that we know do happen, yet no one sees. Is that not so?

To me common senses says that there is more to life than being meat, and that this "more" uses the meat as a tool. That this "more" is not the same as the meat, and therefore may not be bound according to the same physics and such.

And if that is so, then why could it not depart and then return?

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That sounds a lot like what I thought before I became a Christian.

When you say, woven in the fabric, excusing me for putting it this way, I don't think this is exactly what you mean, but in the same way the panthiest would speak?

Much love!
I have totally forgotten exactly what a pantheist believes but I think you are in the ballpark, perhaps my view is pantheistic, I never thought of that, i.e., an intelligent creative conatus far beyond our comprehension permeates the cosmos, yea, sure, that's what I think...a form of intelligence which structures hydrogen such that it assembles into stars which explode dispersing elements forged within the star which subsequently assemble into life...that is how it was, we humans just do not understand how life arises out of stardust and water...

Yes, woven into the fabric is what I mean...
 
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It can't happen because no one has seen it?

There are many things that we know do happen, yet no one sees. Is that not so?

To me common senses says that there is more to life than being meat, and that this "more" uses the meat as a tool. That this "more" is not the same as the meat, and therefore may not be bound according to the same physics and such.

And if that is so, then why could it not depart and then return?

Much love!
We are speaking of the view common sense adopts based on experience; does common sense have experience of a metaphysical something which inhabits meat!? Martin Heidegger said that being lies coiled like a worm with nothingness at its heart; we can see the coiled worm with nothing at the center of the coil...
 

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I have totally forgotten exactly what a pantheist believes but I think you are in the ballpark, perhaps my view is pantheistic, I never thought of that, i.e., an intelligent creative conatus far beyond our comprehension permeates the cosmos, yea, sure, that's what I think...a form of intelligence which structures hydrogen such that it assembles into stars which explode dispersing elements forged within the star which subsequently assemble into life...that is how it was, we humans just do not understand how life arises out of stardust and water...

Yes, woven into the fabric is what I mean...
Thank you for letting me quiz you, I appreciate it!

This intelligence . . . do you consider it to exist separate from the physical structure of the cosmos? That is, were the cosmos to cease to be, would this intelligence cease be in the same act?

Before I was a Christian, my understanding was that we together comprised this intelligence, and that in cooperation we organized a cosmos to enact our desires in.

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We are speaking of the view common sense adopts based on experience; does common sense have experience of a metaphysical something which inhabits meat!? Martin Heidegger said that being lies coiled like a worm with nothingness at its heart; we can see the coiled worm with nothing at the center of the coil...
I think it's a matter of what we postulate. We're talking about things that cannot be seen or touched. The mind. Identity.

Haven't many people claimed introduction to non-corporeal beings? And if there are non-corporeal beings, then is it necessity that we must be purely corporeal beings?

Have not many people claimed experiences unknowable by physical sensation?

If our view is based on our experience, what do we do with non-conforming experiences?

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Thank you for letting me quiz you, I appreciate it!

This intelligence . . . do you consider it to exist separate from the physical structure of the cosmos? That is, were the cosmos to cease to be, would this intelligence cease be in the same act?

Before I was a Christian, my understanding was that we together comprised this intelligence, and that in cooperation we organized a cosmos to enact our desires in.

Much love!

"That is, were the cosmos to cease to be, would this intelligence cease be in the same act?" Yes, for it could not consistently be held that it is prior to or subsequent to itself...it manifested nanoseconds after the putative big-bang as an organizational force whereby atoms both fuse and split asunder and transform from energy into matter and vice versa per E = mc2.
 
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I think it's a matter of what we postulate. We're talking about things that cannot be seen or touched. The mind. Identity.

Haven't many people claimed introduction to non-corporeal beings? And if there are non-corporeal beings, then is it necessity that we must be purely corporeal beings?

Have not many people claimed experiences unknowable by physical sensatioWw2n?

If our view is based on our experience, what do we do with non-conforming experiences?

Much love!
Profound questions that I cannot answer. I lived on San Francisco Bay for thirteen consecutive years; sailing and motor yachting and literally living on craft moored offshore out of any marina. I was living on a 36' WW2 punt-bowed landing craft moored offshore. I had a huge steel fireplace and was completely out of candles or any sort of light, and, had just awakened in the middle of the night and the fire had gone out. I heard a hissing sound and immediately thought it was some air coming out of a life vest I was using as a pillow; I adjusted the pillow and the hissing sound happened again and again; I thought is must be something swimming around in the bilge; I started a fire for some light and warmth and searched the immediate area of the bilge and found only saltwater. It was morse code being enunciated by the hissing; turned out to be a being named Etheos, with whom I communicated with for a couple days; I later consulted with a warlock regarding my experience and he knew of a Seth which was commonly encountered, and, that is all I know...I asked it if it was a dead WW2 GI...bought a Greek dictionary and found Etheos to have been some Greek god...
 

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"That is, were the cosmos to cease to be, would this intelligence cease be in the same act?" Yes, for it could not consistently be held that it is prior to or subsequent to itself...it manifested nanoseconds after the putative big-bang as an organizational force whereby atoms both fuse and split asunder and transform from energy into matter and vice versa per E = mc2.
OK, thank you! So then the intelligence in the universe is comparable to ours? The universe has Mind in a similar fashion as the brain has mind?

I don't see how any such thing is observable.

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Profound questions that I cannot answer. I lived on San Francisco Bay for thirteen consecutive years; sailing and motor yachting and literally living on craft moored offshore out of any marina. I was living on a 36' WW2 punt-bowed landing craft moored offshore. I had a huge steel fireplace and was completely out of candles or any sort of light, and, had just awakened in the middle of the night and the fire had gone out. I heard a hissing sound and immediately thought it was some air coming out of a life vest I was using as a pillow; I adjusted the pillow and the hissing sound happened again and again; I thought is must be something swimming around in the bilge; I started a fire for some light and warmth and searched the immediate area of the bilge and found only saltwater. It was morse code being enunciated by the hissing; turned out to be a being named Etheos, with whom I communicated with for a couple days; I later consulted with a warlock regarding my experience and he knew of a Seth which was commonly encountered, and, that is all I know...I asked it if it was a dead WW2 GI...bought a Greek dictionary and found Etheos to have been some Greek god...
Would that perchance be the "Seth" of "Seth Speaks"?

BTW . . . both my father and my father-in-law lived on their boats. Fun lifestyle if you like it!

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But it told me it was Etheos. If it was Seth why tell me Etheos?
I meant the Seth your warlock friend mentioned. I only ask because there is a series of writings by one who calls himself Seth, and has a lot to say on this sort of thing. I read quite a bit of it back in the day.

But interesting regardless.

Do you think this was an example of a non-corporeal being?

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I meant the Seth your warlock friend mentioned. I only ask because there is a series of writings by one who calls himself Seth, and has a lot to say on this sort of thing. I read quite a bit of it back in the day.

But interesting regardless.

Do you think this was an example of a non-corporeal being?

Much love!
It appears to have been the case which dawned on me as I stood in a corner of the cabin and the hissing emanated from near a pile of electronics; it was moving about right in the room. Of course it could have been the Seth thing, who knows, Eth eos
 

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It appears to have been the case which dawned on me as I stood in a corner of the cabin and the hissing emanated from near a pile of electronics; it was moving about right in the room. Of course it could have been the Seth thing, who knows, Eth eos
That's very interesting. Seth claimed to be an non-material personality who was going to teach us all what reality really is, and dictated books through a medium. I would imagine Etheos would be someone along the same lines.

I remember a two week stretch when I was using I-Ching, a Chinese divination, several hours every day, and became convinced I was communicating with an intelligence. This intelligence foretold my near future, and actually my becoming a Christian, although not in those words, but in a very accurate way. It was very odd. I'd don't tell most people about this, it's really that odd to me.

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