Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

[David in NJ]

Interesting that you were thinking the same thing I was at the time. Can't be a coincidence.

Brother, there is only One Truth = "Thy word is Truth" = John 17:17

If only everyone on here would "lay hold" of this and place it in their heart, mind and soul.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

JESUS Says otherwise!!! = Matt 22:23-33

Enoch is ALIVE Today but not in his flesh body.

@Hillsage

ALWAYS trust JESUS

Amen. Soul sleep is a false doctrine that he is trying to convince you to believe in. He is a false teacher.

 

[David in NJ]

Interesting that you were thinking the same thing I was at the time. Can't be a coincidence.

You beat me to it because i was watching the NFL Playoffs

 

[Hiddenthings]

JESUS Says otherwise!!! = Matt 22:23-33

Enoch is ALIVE Today but not in his flesh body.

@Hillsage

ALWAYS trust JESUS

Another good example of misrepresenting the Masters teaching.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The following is an example of the pattern throughout Genesis 5, the focus, this phrase--and he died.


Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Genesis 5:8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
Genesis 5:11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
Genesis 5:14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
Genesis 5:17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
Genesis 5:20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
Genesis 5:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
Genesis 5:31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
Genesis 9:29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.


But look what is missing concerning the account pertaining to Enoch.

Genesis 5:21 ¶And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.


This is missing---and he died. No wonder Hebrews 11:5 records what it does. It's because it agrees with the Genesis 5 account pertaining to Enoch. Why then are some of you trying to pit these 2 accounts against each other rather than having them agree with each other?

One thing to keep in mind. We are never told where God translated Enoch to. Therefore, he may have been translated to some place other than heaven, for all we know?

He had to have been translated to some other place or else what Jesus said in the following verse would not have been true.

John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

He didn't say "no one except Enoch", so He must have been including Enoch as never having gone into heaven.

 

[David in NJ]

Another good example of misrepresenting the Masters teaching.

As always = give it your best shot at explaining how you disagree - thank you and HAPPY BLESSED NEW YEAR to you

 

[Hiddenthings]

@David in NJ

Verse 32 is the clincher! I wonder if you can read that along with Hebrews 11:39 - end?

 

[David in NJ]

@David in NJ

Verse 32 is the clincher! I wonder if you can read that along with Hebrews 11:39 - end?

32‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?
God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

Absolutely the 'Slam Dunk' of TRUTH that Says "Enoch is ALIVE, along with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and all who Believed the WORD that was God.

 

[David in NJ]

Interesting that you were thinking the same thing I was at the time. Can't be a coincidence.

i 100% BELIEVE it was not a coincidence

thank you for your encouraging words

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

He had to have been translated to some other place or else what Jesus said in the following verse would not have been true.

John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

He didn't say "no one except Enoch", so He must have been including Enoch as never having gone into heaven.

What do you find to be funny about this post, @Hiddenthings? Do you disagree that Enoch had not gone to heaven before Jesus said what He did in John 3:13? Or do you disagree that he was translated to some other place? God may have just ended his life immediately which would mean that God took him away from his life (ended his life so that he didn't have to experience the things that people normally experience when they die - sickness and pain). I would allow for that possibility. My main point here is that Enoch was not taken to heaven when God took him away or else that would contradict what Jesus said in John 3:13.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

32‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?
God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

Absolutely the 'Slam Dunk' of TRUTH that Says "Enoch is ALIVE, along with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and all who Believed the WORD that was God.

Absolutely. If Enoch is not alive at all, as @Hiddenthings falsely believes, then God is not his God. But, God IS his God since He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

 

[Hiddenthings]

32‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?
God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

Absolutely the 'Slam Dunk' of TRUTH that Says "Enoch is ALIVE, along with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and all who Believed the WORD that was God.

Why would God place His name alongside those who are dead? You will need to think about this one David.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@David in NJ also, if you hold to the idea of instantaneous life after death, how can it be said that “all died in faith,” and how do the Master’s words in John 11:25 make sense: “Though he were dead, yet shall he live”?

Have you also considered the context of Matthew 22 with the Sadducees?

For God to be known through the ages as the “God” of three eternally dead men would be a mockery of His power.

Are you beginning to gain insight where others have missed it?

Will you like the Sadducees be silenced also? Just as those who came to the wedding feast without a proper garment were left speechless (vv. 11–12).

Hope not!

 

[David in NJ]

Why would God place His name alongside those who are dead? You will need to think about this one David.

EXACTLY

God is NOT the God of the dead, for HE is the GOD of the LIVING

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why would God place His name alongside those who are dead? You will need to think about this one David.

Excellent job of avoiding addressing his post! Well done!

Tell me, false soul sleep teacher, is God the God of Enoch right now? Before you answer, keep in mind, as David in NJ pointed out, God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

 

[Hiddenthings]

EXACTLY

God is NOT the God of the dead, for HE is the GOD of the LIVING

What is the context, David.

I can see you are struggling with the section of text you posted.

"YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES"

The very passage they cited (Deut 25:5) illustrates resurrection by representation. The role of the goel, or kinsman-redeemer (Christ Himself), was to raise up a “seed” a new life in the name of the deceased.

"NOR THE POWER OF GOD" The promises of God are not undone by the seemingly final human reality of death!

The power of God is demonstrated in His ability to raise the dead, something the Sadducees denied.

You have the wrong context for your belief.

Try and find a NT teaching where death means the release of an ethereal immortal wafting essence.

Good luck!

 

[David in NJ]

What is the context, David.

I can see you are struggling with the section of text you posted.

"YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES"

The very passage they cited (Deut 25:5) illustrates resurrection by representation. The role of the goel, or kinsman-redeemer (Christ Himself), was to raise up a “seed” a new life in the name of the deceased.

"NOR THE POWER OF GOD" The promises of God are not undone by the seemingly final human reality of death!

The power of God is demonstrated in His ability to raise the dead, something the Sadducees denied.

You have the wrong context for your belief.

Try and find a NT teaching where death means the release of an ethereal immortal wafting essence.

Good luck!

"struggling" = lol

physical death is not FINAL = spiritual DEATH = the Second DEATH is FINAL

God is NOT the God of the dead, for HE is the GOD of the LIVING

When a person refuses to believe the words of Christ, that person "struggles" to understand

 

[Hiddenthings]

"struggling" = lol

physical death is not FINAL = spiritual DEATH = the Second DEATH is FINAL

God is NOT the God of the dead, for HE is the GOD of the LIVING

When a person refuses to believe the words of Christ, that person "struggles" to understand

I'm waiting for you to show an understanding of the context but it seems you have your large font on copy and paste.

If you keep revealing this struggle you are only showing others you are only interested in your dogma and not the Lords teaching.

The Sadducees did not understand the Scriptures and you are following their example.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@David in NJ

And these all were commended for their faith, yet they did not receive what was promised. 11:40 For God had provided something better for us, so that they would be made perfect together with us Heb 11:39–40.

Do you see the point Jesus is making, a point the writer of Hebrews affirms?

The dead will not remain dead, for God is the God of the living. He will raise all together, ensuring that none of the faithful from ages past are made perfect apart from those He is calling today.

 

[David in NJ]

I'm waiting for you to show an understanding of the context but it seems you have your large font on copy and paste.

If you keep revealing this struggle you are only showing others you are only interested in your dogma and not the Lords teaching.

The Sadducees did not understand the Scriptures and you are following their example.

i cannot tell on these forums, so forgive me for asking, what is your gender = Brother or Sister?