Life in the Millennium.

[Jay Ross]

It is important to realise that the Body of Christ purpose was NOT revealed before the Lord reveled it to Paul. Otherwise, you get all the purposes muddled up and tend to make US the center of God`s word and not Christ as the center, His character and His purposes.

Sorry but you did not answer the question that I had posed at the end of the post that you had quoted above.

The question was: - Why is it important to you as to when the Body of Christ was revealed to the nations?

It would be good if you could tell me why.

 

[Marilyn C]

Sorry but you did not answer the question that I had posed at the end of the post that you had quoted above.

The question was: - Why is it important to you as to when the Body of Christ was revealed to the nations?

It would be good if you could tell me why.

Hi Jay,

When Jesus ascended to the Father, He was made Head of the Body. He then sent His Holy Spirit to build and mature the Body of Christ. (Eph. 1: 20 - 23, 4: 11 - 16)

It is important to know that for the Body of Christ has a very special inheritance, on the Lord`s very own throne in the highest. (Rev. 3: 21)

To understand the Lord`s purpose for the Body - its beginning, maturing and catching away to glory, is to be able to work with the Lord`s Holy Spirit and be a part of the Lord`s great desire to have His Body with Him in the highest.

Marilyn.

 

[Jay Ross]

Hi Jay,

When Jesus ascended to the Father, He was made Head of the Body. He then sent His Holy Spirit to build and mature the Body of Christ. (Eph. 1: 20 - 23, 4: 11 - 16)

It is important to know that for the Body of Christ has a very special inheritance, on the Lord`s very own throne in the highest. (Rev. 3: 21)

To understand the Lord`s purpose for the Body - its beginning, maturing and catching away to glory, is to be able to work with the Lord`s Holy Spirit and be a part of the Lord`s great desire to have His Body with Him in the highest.

Marilyn.

Marilyn,

I am happy to be a Saint, and not the Man from Uncle, who is able to be a gate keeper within God's kingdom now and when it is refurbished here on the earth in the distant future.

Christ urged us to become disciples of His and to make disciples from among the people with whom we rub shoulders with.

It is my sense that that Christ is the head of all of the saints, collectively, and this body of people is referred to as a "church" or assembly of saints.

My sense is that you are sticking to a party line, so to speak, in your insistence that the Church is the Body of Christ.

Christ in John 2:19 said this: -

John 2:19,21: - 19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." . . . .

21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.​

NKJV​

I am not sure that Christ was speak of the "Church" in these two verses.

Shalom

 

[Taken]

Life in the Millennium.
OP ^

Life in the Millennium for the saints....wonderful...reign....serve.
Life in the millennium for mortals.......believe...good...work...prosper.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[jeffweeder]

Life in the Millennium.
OP ^

Life in the Millennium for the saints....wonderful...reign....serve.
Life in the millennium for mortals.......believe...good...work...prosper.

Glory to God,
Taken

Life in the millennium for the willing = opportunity, Grace, commitment, perseverance, life forevermore.
Life for the rest = indifference, unbelief, Apostasy, Eternal Judgment.

 

[Marilyn C]

Marilyn,

I am happy to be a Saint, and not the Man from Uncle, who is able to be a gate keeper within God's kingdom now and when it is refurbished here on the earth in the distant future.

Christ urged us to become disciples of His and to make disciples from among the people with whom we rub shoulders with.

It is my sense that that Christ is the head of all of the saints, collectively, and this body of people is referred to as a "church" or assembly of saints.

My sense is that you are sticking to a party line, so to speak, in your insistence that the Church is the Body of Christ.

Christ in John 2:19 said this: -

John 2:19,21: - 19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." . . . .

21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.​

NKJV​

I am not sure that Christ was speak of the "Church" in these two verses.

Shalom

Hi Jay,

Remember these verses? `And He (Father) put all things under His feet, (Jesus) and gave Him to be Head over all things to the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY....` (Eph. 1: 22 & 23)

 

[Jay Ross]

Hi Jay,

Remember these verses? `And He (Father) put all things under His feet, (Jesus) and gave Him to be Head over all things to the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY....` (Eph. 1: 22 & 23)

Marilyn

Below is G:1577 and the Greek Words where this Greek Root word is embedded.



Please note that that the Greek word, ἐκκλησίᾳ in Ep 1:22 is translated a number of different ways where it is found in the NT where the translation for this Greek word of "church" is just one of the ways it is translated.

That is the reason why I keep asking you why is the understanding of the "church" so important to you.

If you cannot provide a satisfactory logical explanation, then there is no further point in this particular discussion.

Shalom

 

[marks]

The question was: - Why is it important to you as to when the Body of Christ was revealed to the nations?

It would be good if you could tell me why.

If I can jump in here . . .

Many people interpret passages in the Bible as though they applied to the church, that is, the body of Christ. Except that the body of Christ was a mystery not yet revealed.

So for instance, when someone says that some will be taken and others left, that this refers to the rapture of the church, I respond, no, the church - the body of Christ - had not yet been revealed, so no, that prophecy was not regarding the church.

It matters to our interpretation. Rightly dividing.

Much love!

 

[Jay Ross]

If I can jump in here . . .

Many people interpret passages in the Bible as though they applied to the church, that is, the body of Christ. Except that the body of Christ was a mystery not yet revealed.

So for instance, when someone says that some will be taken and others left, that this refers to the rapture of the church, I respond, no, the church - the body of Christ - had not yet been revealed, so no, that prophecy was not regarding the church.

It matters to our interpretation. Rightly dividing.

Much love!

Mark as you know there are people who make outlandish claims or spiritualise certain words or entities and then cloud the understanding that we have.

It is my understanding that Isaiah 24:21-22 will occur around the time of the start of the last age, the seventh, which has been labelled by some as the Millennium Age.

So, during the first 1,000 years of the last age, the judged heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth are imprisoned in a pit, the Bottomless Pit, and cannot directly influence the peoples on the earth during this 1,000-year period.

The servants of God will be opposed by the Good and Faithful servants of Satan, but during this 1000-year period, there will be a great harvest of souls to God, who will come to call Jesus Lord, Lord. and will worship Christ as the Son of God.

When the 1,000-years period of imprisonment in the Bottomless Pit is completed, Satan, the Beast, the False Prophet, i.e., called the Little Horn by Daniel, when it is unlocked by an Angel, they will all rise up out of the earth from the Bottomless Pit and together they will attempt to upsurge God Everlasting Kingdom that has been dominate on the earth during the previous 1,000 years. Daniel saw that the Great Tribulation during this little while period will be for 1290 days, and that Satan, the Beast and the False Prophet during this little while period will all be captured and cast into the lake of fire, and then the Great White Throne Room of judgement will commence for all of the peoples of the earth.

After the judgement prophecy, of the heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth, occurs, as Paul tells us in Romans 11:25-26, all of Israel will be saved as God Gathers them to Himself and He will sprinkle water over them to cleanse them, where they are living scattered throughout the whole world. Then a Holy Royal Priesthood will be seen on the earth as the Great Harvest of Souls occurs.

The above is but a thumb nail picture of what I see occurring during the Millennium Age, i.e., the seventh age.

Shalom

 

[farouk]

Hi Jay,

Remember these verses? `And He (Father) put all things under His feet, (Jesus) and gave Him to be Head over all things to the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY....` (Eph. 1: 22 & 23)

@Marilyn C

"The church's one foundation
Is Jesus Christ her Lord;
She is his new creation
By water and the Word.
From heaven he came and sought her
To be his holy bride;
With his own blood he bought her,
And for her life he died." (Samuel Sebastian Wesley)

 

[Marilyn C]

@Marilyn C

"The church's one foundation
Is Jesus Christ her Lord;
She is his new creation
By water and the Word.
From heaven he came and sought her
To be his holy bride;
With his own blood he bought her,
And for her life he died." (Samuel Sebastian Wesley)

Hi farouk,

I did think there would come a time when we disagreed. I was never taught that we, the Body of Christ was the Bride. Perhaps that would be a good thread to start a discussion.

Marilyn.

 

[farouk]

Hi farouk,

I did think there would come a time when we disagreed. I was never taught that we, the Body of Christ was the Bride. Perhaps that would be a good thread to start a discussion.

Marilyn.

@Marilyn C

FYI:

J N Darby on the Bride of Christ:

Bridal Affection for Christ - John Nelson Darby (#139977) - Bible Truth Library

 

[Marilyn C]

@Marilyn C

FYI:

J N Darby on the Bride of Christ:

Bridal Affection for Christ - John Nelson Darby (#139977) - Bible Truth Library

Thank you farouk,

However, that is a mix of scriptures and purposes of God. Will wait till I start the new thread on the Bride, to go into details from scripture.

Marilyn.

 

[marks]

Hi farouk,

I did think there would come a time when we disagreed. I was never taught that we, the Body of Christ was the Bride. Perhaps that would be a good thread to start a discussion.

Marilyn.

Myself, I was taught that, but I don't see it in Scripture, and that idea seems to create some confusion.

Much love!

 

[ewq1938]

Myself, I was taught that, but I don't see it in Scripture, and that idea seems to create some confusion.

Much love!

Christians (the Church) are the bride:

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Here we are told plainly that the example of a man and his wife being of one flesh is about Christ and the church.


Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God


Here again it is Christians that will marry Christ who was raised from the dead.


2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.


Spoken to Christians, the church, being presented as Virgins in a spiritual sense.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

LIFE IN THE MILLENNIUM

The plagues through the tribulation and the great earthquake that caused the cities of the nations to fall, will cause such great devastation upon the earth that civilization as we know it will cease. No technology, no fuel, no food production, no medical facilities, no businesses of any kind, all will have crumbled, obliterated. There will be only few people upon the earth after the plagues, mass killings and persecutions.

Life in the millennium will have to start from the basics - agriculture and working together in family groups. There will be no more wars, so the weapons will be made into farm implements.

` They shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.` (Micah 4: 3)

`They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit....` (Isa. 65: 21)

People will have to learn to work together to rebuild houses and dwelling places. Then over time some of the cities will be repaired by the generations that follow.

`And they shall rebuild the old ruins, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the ruined cities, the desolations of many generations.` (Isa. 61: 4)

`They shall build houses and inhabit them; ...` (Isa. 65: 21)

Many people will come to Israel and work for them, as they realise the blessing of the Lord is upon the nation of Israel.

`Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the foreigner shall be your ploughmen and your vine-dressers.` (Isa. 61: 5)

Over time people will live longer as there will be no wars, and life is centred round outdoor healthy living. People will learn of the ways of the Lord from the priests, and thus there will not be so much anxiety and stress.

`No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; for the child shall die one hundred years old, .....for as the days of a tree so shall be the days of my people, and my elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth children for trouble; for they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.` (Isa. 66: 22 & 23)

You are misapplying all of those scriptures. Isaiah 65:21 and Isaiah 66:22-23 both relate to the new heavens and new earth, not the thousand years. Micah 4:3 relates to "the last days" (see Micah 4:1), not a thousand year time period after Christ's return as you believe. The last days cover the time period going back at least to the day of Pentecost (see Acts 2:16-21) and they lead up to the day Christ returns (see 2 Peter 3:3-4). Having it apply to a time period after Christ returns is a case of ignoring how scripture itself defines when the last days occur.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jeff, Why can’t we be reigning now? If we are reigning now, then Christ is reigning with us. And if that were true, the Kingdoms of this world would be his. And if that were true, the man of sin would already be destroyed. And if that were true, the church would be married and the resurrection would have happened and all Israel would be saved. And if that were true…why hasn’t any of that happened? Because we are not reigning yet.

We're not? Then why did John say that we are?

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

Do you not know that His kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36)? Scripture says that He "made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father". That is present tense. And it says He IS "the ruler of the kings of the earth". Again, present tense. So, you are contradicting scripture by saying that we are not reigning with Him now.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you are calling John a Liar?
Ok. Your call.

Why don't you address the scriptures shared in post #17 instead of asking this ridiculous question? The scriptures shared in that post indicate that there is one day in the future when all of the dead will be resurrected and one day in the future when all people will be judged. So, please address those scriptures and explain how they can be reconciled with your beliefs.

 

[Davy]

Hi Cassandra,

Thank you for your thoughts. Now I will try an answer your questions.

1. Isa. 65: 17 tells us what God has planned, (in the future) however He said `BUT ...` telling us that BEFORE the new heavens and new earth God is going to do something else. See further down, v. 20 that tells us that a child shall die.... yet live a long life.

2. The `catching away,` will happen before the judgments upon the rebellious, (tribulation), the `wicked` (2 Thess. 2: 8)

3. The Parable of the Tenants, refers to Israel and when they killed Jesus. The inheritance to Israel will be for those in Israel when the Jesus comes to deliver them at the battle of Armageddon.

4. The Body of Christ is another group that the Lord has purposes for. We are of Abraham`s seed - the Lord. The promise is for His Holy Spirit. (Gal. 3: 14)

regards, Marilyn.

You simply have your timing... of those events in opposition to the Scriptures.

The coming Millennium (i.e., Christ's "thousand years" reign with His elect that will begin at His future return), will not... be a fleshy existence. The change on the "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15 will happen to all still alive (including the wicked), and the dead will be raised also then. All will be in the "spiritual body", not another flesh body type.

The world to come will be the start of the heavenly dimension joined with this earth.

Thus the idea of the infant, child, and old is an 'expression' for never getting old, never dying. The "spiritual body" is an eternal type body, but God can still destroy it in the "lake of fire" (Matthew 10:28). The wicked will still have souls yet liable to die (not saved or born again through Jesus Christ).

Thus the limitations and bounds we experience today because of this flesh, will be gone in that future state. So like Jesus said in John 5:28-29, on the day of His coming, all in the graves will hear His voice and 'come forth', either to the "resurrection of life", or unto the "resurrection of damnation". And then all those still alive will be 'changed'. This means "the dead" of Revelation 20:5 is actually about the spiritually dead, those who still have souls liable to die that have not received Jesus Christ. And there will be whole nations of those left, which one of our jobs as priests will be to teach them.

 

[Truth7t7]

The coming Millennium (i.e., Christ's "thousand years" reign with His elect that will begin at His future return), will not... be a fleshy existence. The change on the "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15 will happen to all still alive (including the wicked), and the dead will be raised also then. All will be in the "spiritual body", not another flesh body type.

The world to come will be the start of the heavenly dimension joined with this earth.

Thus the idea of the infant, child, and old is an 'expression' for never getting old, never dying. The "spiritual body" is an eternal type body, but God can still destroy it in the "lake of fire" (Matthew 10:28). The wicked will still have souls yet liable to die (not saved or born again through Jesus Christ).

Thus the limitations and bounds we experience today because of this flesh, will be gone in that future state. So like Jesus said in John 5:28-29, on the day of His coming, all in the graves will hear His voice and 'come forth', either to the "resurrection of life", or unto the "resurrection of damnation". And then all those still alive will be 'changed'. This means "the dead" of Revelation 20:5 is actually about the spiritually dead, those who still have souls liable to die that have not received Jesus Christ. And there will be whole nations of those left, which one of our jobs as priests will be to teach them.

The verses below speak about the Lords second coming in fire and final judgment (The End) there won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as you claim

You falsely believe in the second coming, then a Millennial Kingdom on this earth "Wrong"

You don't want to see the fire in destruction at the Lord's return below, because it removes your claim of a Millennial Kingdom on this earth

Jesus Is The Lord

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.