Limited atonement !

[Rightglory]

@brightfame52 is a Hyper Calvinist. He views Atonement as only belonging to the Unconditional Elect of God; apart from them Believing the Truth of the Gospel Promise. Believing the Gospel is not a quotient in God's Purpose of Election. Election is Salvation. Hyper Calvinists do not deny that Faith is a part of Salvation, but they believe everything depends on Election...

You are not describing limited atonement either. For whom it was meant does not limit the atonement itself. Christ was reconciling the world back to God. There is no mention of any individuals being reconciled.
Heb 2:14-16 states clearly that Christ came to defeat Satan who held the power of death and sin. Here also, where is there any mention of numbers or limitation. If you or anyone believes Christ's atoning work was limited explain how that works. Only partially died or only gave a certain amount of blood? He either died and rose again, or He did not. He either propitiated sin or he did not.

 

[Marvelloustime]

We were drawn to Christ .
So you can keep on trying to plant wrong ideas in order to justify something you want to deep down believe
happens to all IN THE END
or you get can busy preaching the ONLY name and reminding all of the dire necessity to BELIEVE ON that NAME
or perish they will .
I know what this end time generation wants to beleive . ITS A LIE , and its because they love sins
and want to feel like , oh well its all gonna be okay in the end
anyway . My advice , PREACH JESUS THE CHRIST and all things HE taught . Not some fable
that sounds good to
itchy ears who never truly wanted to FOLLOW CHRIST . they do not want to count the cost .
Because its gonna cost them something they do not want to lose . Just a friendly reminder .
I know why folks wanna beleive a fable . its because a fable givth hope
without a cost . Many love sin . and by many i mean even many within christendome .
THey might not like all sins , BUT THEY DARN SURE LOVETH THEIRS . we better watch out my friend .
fables gone wild is occuring .

@amigo de christo

 

[Hey You!]

You are not describing limited atonement either. For whom it was meant does not limit the atonement itself. Christ was reconciling the world back to God. There is no mention of any individuals being reconciled.
Heb 2:14-16 states clearly that Christ came to defeat Satan who held the power of death and sin. Here also, where is there any mention of numbers or limitation. If you or anyone believes Christ's atoning work was limited explain how that works. Only partially died or only gave a certain amount of blood? He either died and rose again, or He did not. He either propitiated sin or he did not.

Forgive me, I thought you were asking how Brightfame52 Limits the Atonement...

All of Us, except for Universalists, Limit the Atonement somehow...

I explain the Limited Atonement like this; Christ Bore the Sins of Many, the Sins God Nailed to the Cross. Only Confessed Sin is Nailed to the Cross...

This is 'THE' explanation for Limited Atonement...

 

[Marvelloustime]

what a whopper that one is .
Heck not even all CHRISTAINS are CHRISTAINS .
Whats next all christains are not catholics but all catholics are christian . What a whopper that had been too .
THEM places are dangerous . methodists , jw , mormon , yes even calivinsits , and many others .
WHO is paul , who is appolos .
I seem to notice HE took the torch away from men .
Yet even today i see men try and cliam they are pauline or etc .
And beleive me when i investigaged even that pauline stuff
I SEEN things taught that had made PAUL begin a rebuking spree . THINGS he never meant .
PEOPLE we gots to get back into the bible for ourselves .
And before anyone tries to one liner that says OH that is how all them denominations got started .
WRONG . its not .
For had men learned the scrips well for themselves , THEY HAD NEVER sat under such men
WHO never really knew the rightly divided words themselves .
IT WAS DUE TO a serious lack of knowledge that many sat and continued to sit under such men .
YOU DONT SEE me running around trying to start a new denomination
Exactly . WE NEED to get back into the bible again for ourselves and read it FOR ourselves and not
through the lens of men .

@amigo de christo

 

[Hey You!]

Forgive me, I thought you were asking how Brightfame52 Limits the Atonement...

All of Us, except for Universalists, Limit the Atonement somehow...

I explain the Limited Atonement like this; Christ Bore the Sins of Many, the Sins God Nailed to the Cross. Only Confessed Sin is Nailed to the Cross...

INRI ~ by ReverendRV * June 2

Colossians 2:13-14 NIV; He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.

Saint Paul wrote this Epistle, a Letter, to the Church at Colossae. I’ve heard that this Epistle is a shorter version of the Book of Romans. I really like the Epistle to Rome because it is so deep; but my nature is to prefer things short and sweet. After the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Church expanded so quickly; why wouldn’t it? Saints Peter, James and John taught the Church at Israel; but Saint Paul was sent to the Gentiles. As a Missionary, Paul was always building Churches, so of course he taught much about being Saved. There has been NO greater a Theologian than him, and volumes can be written about the things he taught the Church; but there came a day he determined to know only Jesus Christ and him Crucified…

He taught us about how we are Legally indebted to God for breaking his Heavenly Commandments, because his Kingdom includes all the World. When we break worldly Laws, there is a Fine to pay; and this is a Debt. ~ Are you indebted to God? Have you told a Lie? What do you call people who Lie? Thou shalt not Lie. God Charges you for the Crime of Lying. You say “Then he’s got to Charge everyone if he’s going to Charge me!”. Have you ever Stolen? What do you call people that Steal? God could probably Charge everyone with this too. The Bible says if you have broken one Commandment, you are Guilty of breaking all of them; Paul says the Charges against us, have already Condemned us. Being Condemned, you will go to Hell; does this bother you? ~ What we need is to have all of our Charges taken away…

Do you want to know what Charge was nailed to the Cross of Christ? Jesus was tried by Rome, yet Pilate couldn’t find anything wrong with him. But to appease the Sanhedrin, he had Jesus Crucified anyway. Rome always nailed a plank to their Crosses, with the Criminal’s Accusation written on it. At the top of Jesus’ Cross was written in Latin “Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews”. If you’ve seen paintings of Jesus on the Cross with a sign that reads “INRI”, this is shorthand for the accusation written on his plank. ~ For God so Loved the world he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal Life. Jesus Kept God’s Law all of his life; this is why Caesar could only nail a TRUE accusation to his Cross. As a Substitute, he will Accept your Charges and take the Punishment you deserve; by bleeding to death on the Cross. He was buried but arose from the grave, ascending to the right hand of God his Father. We’re Saved by Grace through Faith without Works, lest we should boast. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God; then join an Evangelical Church. ~ Praise God he allows me to nail MY Charges to HIS Cross; please don’t read them while you’re there. What might you nail to his Cross if you could get rid of it? Nail it to the Cross, so Jesus can be Charged with it instead of you…

1st Peter 2:24 NIV; “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”

 

[Marvelloustime]

Reconciled TO GOD BY CHRIST when we were enemies .
IT is just as i say . JESUS didnt come to save the righteous or to reconcile them to GOD .
BUT THEN NONE IS RIGHTEOUS . HE came to seek and to save that which was lost .
TO bring sinners TO REPENTANCE , TO FAITH IN GOD .
THERE IS NO way one who rejects HIM , IS RECONCILED TO GOD .
Cause he is the ONLY ONE WHO can RECONCILE one to GOD .
YOU wont read the whole bible , YOu are trying to twist a verse to make it mean something it dont mean .
AS IF those who fail to BELEIVE ON CHRIST are reconciled to GOD . IT WONT HAPPEN .
AND to imply so is deadly dangerous . ITS why we preach the gospel OF RECONCILATION .
HOW ONE CAN be reconciled to GOD . BELIEVE IN CHRIST JESUS .
AND we were all once the enemies of GOD . But the FATHER has made the way to be reconciled to HIM
SO I suggest you preach THAT NAME to folks , cause budda aint reconciling squat
And all other religoins are death leading only to the second death .
IF you want folks reconciled to GOD , YA BETTER say , BELIEVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
Rather than trying to imply SOMETHING else . I know how you folks work my friend .
YOU always try and pin a person down to ONE scrip and make it seem to mean WHAT YOU IMPLY IT MEANS .
NO FAITH IN JESUS , NO RECONCILIATION and ONLY the second death awaits them all .
YOU had better start preaching JESUS , and learn how to rightly divide . Start reading the bible FOR YOU
and not through the lens of men and their own concepts .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

friend i am not calvnist , nor Jw , nor mormon , nor baptist , nor methodist , NOR RCC
This lamb is christain .
NOW if one speaks truth then AMEN i hear that . but when they bring the blending of truth with lies , WELL
we DONT hear that mix . as i am sure you would agree . Right .
One thing , of many , which i am truly greatful to GOD for is
THE FACT HE PUT ME INTO JUST the BIBLE to read and to love reading it for hours daily , every day
for almost nineteen years now . AND believe me, I GIVE HIM THE CREDIT AND GLORY for having done that .
HE puts the love FOR HIM , FOR HIS WORDS upon the heart of the sheep .
ITS men we have to watch out for . NOT that all are false , BUT FRIEND MANY MANY MANY ARE .
and i dont mean just unwise and maybe should wait to teach . I MEAN Flat out false ones guiding this people .
ITS NOT an accusation , nor am i condeming them . BUT EXPOSING THEM and their doctrines , YOU BET I WILL .
CAUSE my love is for this people and i desire GOOD for the peoples .
AND i bet you know NO LIE IS GOOD for this people .

@amigo de christo

 

[brightfame52]

We were drawn to Christ .
So you can keep on trying to plant wrong ideas in order to justify something you want to deep down believe
happens to all IN THE END
or you get can busy preaching the ONLY name and reminding all of the dire necessity to BELIEVE ON that NAME
or perish they will .
I know what this end time generation wants to beleive . ITS A LIE , and its because they love sins
and want to feel like , oh well its all gonna be okay in the end
anyway . My advice , PREACH JESUS THE CHRIST and all things HE taught . Not some fable
that sounds good to
itchy ears who never truly wanted to FOLLOW CHRIST . they do not want to count the cost .
Because its gonna cost them something they do not want to lose . Just a friendly reminder .
I know why folks wanna beleive a fable . its because a fable givth hope
without a cost . Many love sin . and by many i mean even many within christendome .
THey might not like all sins , BUT THEY DARN SURE LOVETH THEIRS . we better watch out my friend .
fables gone wild is occuring .

I see you evade further discussion on Rom 5:10

 

[Rightglory]

Forgive me, I thought you were asking how Brightfame52 Limits the Atonement...

All of Us, except for Universalists, Limit the Atonement somehow...

I explain the Limited Atonement like this; Christ Bore the Sins of Many, the Sins God Nailed to the Cross. Only Confessed Sin is Nailed to the Cross...

This is 'THE' explanation for Limited Atonement...

Regarding the subjective part of atonement, the forgiveness of sin is who is eligible. It has nothing to do with the atonement itself.
Christ's atonement was to God, not man. Let's take a severe example to show what I am asking. Even if not a single person ever believed, and asked for the forgiveness of their sins, Christ's atonement still was completed. There is no limitation on Christ's atonement.
Most of you are not even discussing the atonement. Most are only discussing the propitiation of sin which was a secondary part of His atonement. All of you, as far as those i have read, are discussing who is eligible as a result of Christ's atonement.

 

[Rockerduck]

Regarding the subjective part of atonement, the forgiveness of sin is who is eligible. It has nothing to do with the atonement itself.
Christ's atonement was to God, not man. Let's take a severe example to show what I am asking. Even if not a single person ever believed, and asked for the forgiveness of their sins, Christ's atonement still was completed. There is no limitation on Christ's atonement.
Most of you are not even discussing the atonement. Most are only discussing the propitiation of sin which was a secondary part of His atonement. All of you, as far as those i have read, are discussing who is eligible as a result of Christ's atonement.

Christ's Crucifixion, resurrection, and Glorification accomplished not only the propitiation for sins, but also by His death on the Cross, reconciled man to God. The atonement, through Christ's propitiation, was for those whose name is already written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world whom God foreknew would believe on Jesus Christ and receive eternal life. Praise the Lord for that.

Revelation 13:8 -All who dwell on the earth will worship him (the beast), everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

 

[Hey You!]

Regarding the subjective part of atonement, the forgiveness of sin is who is eligible. It has nothing to do with the atonement itself.
Christ's atonement was to God, not man. Let's take a severe example to show what I am asking. Even if not a single person ever believed, and asked for the forgiveness of their sins, Christ's atonement still was completed. There is no limitation on Christ's atonement.
Most of you are not even discussing the atonement. Most are only discussing the propitiation of sin which was a secondary part of His atonement. All of you, as far as those i have read, are discussing who is eligible as a result of Christ's atonement.

Christ's Atonement was not completed on the Cross, it was completed upon his Resurrection and his Ascension...

 

[brightfame52]

Here are some scriptures that confirm limited atonement, or that Christ died for only some, not all without exception.

Jn 10:15

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Acts 20:28

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Eph 5:2

2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. Cp Eph 5:25

Writing to the Church at Thessalonica 1:1; 1 Thess 5:9-10

Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.


9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. 18