Logical reason to believe in God

[Jennifer Rogers]

How can I choose to trust God when it hurts so much? How can I trust Him when I do not understand and struggle to grasp His mysterious ways and providence? Join me as we explore the reasons we should trust God.

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1. All things are possible with God

He knows the desires of your heart. If you trust Him with what you most desire, He will take care of it. He knows what is best for your life. Think again if you feel like your goals are hard to achieve or even impossible. Whatever it is, all you have to do is have faith.
“‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for one who.” – Mark 9:23
Let's just put our trust in these words: "Because I know the plans I have for you." God declares: “plans for your welfare, not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope (Jer 29:11 HCSB)”.

2. Our pain and suffering have a purpose.

Every pain we carry has a purpose. It is a preparation for what is to come, for the greater challenges that are certain to come. We need to learn to trust God and rely on Him and His strength during our current seasons of grief to face greater challenges in the future.
God knows everything we are going through at this time and everything we will go through in the future. He knows the best way to handle any situation so that we get the best possible outcome, and we need to trust Him for that. We need to follow His way and trust Him to understand best because He knows.
“But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.” – James 1:6

3. God knows what God does

God knows exactly what he wants for your life. He has a purpose for you and has planned everything. He knows who you will marry, how many children you will have, what job you will have, and every other detail of your life. He knows what you will do tomorrow, in the coming future. Do not doubt His plan, for He knows it all and has a perfect plan that He has laid out before. So your job is to keep trusting Him, the rest He will give you a proper answer.

4. God will not forsake us

“Be strong and of good courage, do not fear nor be afraid of them; for Yahweh your God, He is the One who goes with you. He will not leave you nor forsake you” (Deuteronomy 31:6).
How many times have you read this passage and have you believed it? You better believe it, because it's true.
There shouldn't even be a single doubt in your mind. God will never leave you nor forsake you because of that, you can trust God with all your heart (Proverbs 3:5-6). In this statement, God is making a double promise to us. He will not leave us and He will not forget us.

5. God's great love for you

God is love and all He does is for love (1 John 4:7-21). He is the very definition and embodiment of love.
Because God loves you, He will do anything to help you in your time of need. You can always trust Him because He cares about you. He knows what's best for you and He will give you the best - if you're willing to trust Him. You can trust Him with results after trying your best. You can trust Him that He will deliver you from your darkest times and that He will be there with you through life's storms.

 

[Jennifer Rogers]

@farouk What do you think about this topic?

 

[farouk]

@farouk What do you think about this topic?

Hi @Jennifer Rogers Thanks for the question. My mind went to Proverbs 3.5-6 - and then I saw that these verses are referred to in your post. :)

Also, Hebrews 11.6 comes to mind: "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

 

[Jennifer Rogers]

Hi @Jennifer Rogers Thanks for the question. My mind went to Proverbs 3.5-6 - and then I saw that these verses are referred to in your post. :)

Also, Hebrews 11.6 comes to mind: "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

Maybe God is listening to your mind ;)

 

[Aunty Jane]

How can I choose to trust God when it hurts so much?

But why does it hurt so much? Why should trusting God be so difficult?
Until you have a grasp of why.....you won't understand anything.

What is the big picture in your view?

How can I trust Him when I do not understand and struggle to grasp His mysterious ways and providence?

Since God outlines very clearly what his original purpose was.....how it became derailed....and how God gets it all back on track, why should we find any of it mysterious?

Can you tell me why God put us here originally? What is our purpose on this earth?

If you know how it starts...you know how it ends.

 

[Jennifer Rogers]

But why does it hurt so much? Why should trusting God be so difficult?
Until you have a grasp of why.....you won't understand anything.

What is the big picture in your view?


Since God outlines very clearly what his original purpose was.....how it became derailed....and how God gets it all back on track, why should we find any of it mysterious?

Can you tell me why God put us here originally? What is our purpose on this earth?

If you know how it starts...you know how it ends.

God put us here for a purpose and that purpose is to live for Him and feel the joy of His presence every day. Therefore, I always put my trust in Him so that life is a series of happy days.

 

[Aunty Jane]

God put us here for a purpose and that purpose is to live for Him and feel the joy of His presence every day. Therefore, I always put my trust in Him so that life is a series of happy days.

That sounds lovely....but it is not reality for most people. Who at present lives a happy life?

God's purpose in putting humans on earth was stated in Genesis 1:26-30......
"Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so" (ESV)

Do you see what purpose we were to have here?...and how God created us to fulfill that purpose...?

Why was man alone created 'in God's image and likeness'?
What were they told to do besides 'fill the earth' with their children?
What were the animals and humans given as food?

Can you tell me what changed from then to now....

 

[Jennifer Rogers]

That sounds lovely....but it is not reality for most people. Who at present lives a happy life?

God's purpose in putting humans on earth was stated in Genesis 1:26-30......
"Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so" (ESV)

Do you see what purpose we were to have here?...and how God created us to fulfill that purpose...?

Why was man alone created 'in God's image and likeness'?
What were they told to do besides 'fill the earth' with their children?
What were the animals and humans given as food?

Can you tell me what changed from then to now....

God formed Adam from the dust and gave him life by sharing His own breath (Genesis 2:7). Accordingly, humanity is unique among all God's creations, having both a physical body and an immaterial soul/spirit.

 

[Aunty Jane]

God formed Adam from the dust and gave him life by sharing His own breath (Genesis 2:7). Accordingly, humanity is unique among all God's creations, having both a physical body and an immaterial soul/spirit.

Read Genesis 2:7...
"then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature." (ESV)

When God started the man breathing, he did not give the man a soul, but he "became" a soul. (or "living creature") You see there that the Hebrew word for soul ("nep̄eš") is translated "living creature" because that is what the "soul" is in the Bible. Nowhere is a soul described as a disembodied spirit. So the physical body of man became a "soul" when he started breathing. Animals too are called "souls' in the Bible because they breathe like we do, and they die the same way we do....we all stop breathing. (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20)

So the breath of life is the 'spirit' in man and animals. We all have the same "spirit" (breath) and when our physical body dies, the soul dies too. (Ezekiel 18:4) We do not have an immortal soul that departs from the body at death....no scripture says this. It say that there is no consciousness or activity in death. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10)

So the Bible does not stress our uniqueness over the animals, but rather Solomon lamented about our similarity in death.

What was it that made us different?....the Bible's promise was "resurrection"...which was a return to life, not a continuation of it.
Animals were not promised this.
What have you been taught about the resurrection? Or do you know about it?
Jesus taught us about it in connection with his friend Lazarus. (John 11:11-14)
Lazarus' sister spoke of the hope of the resurrection.....

"So when Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went and met him, but Mary remained seated in the house. 21 Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But even now I know that whatever you ask from God, God will give you.” 23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” 24 Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live". (ESV)

What do you think Martha meant when she spoke about "the resurrection on the last day"?

 

[Jennifer Rogers]

Read Genesis 2:7...
"then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature." (ESV)

When God started the man breathing, he did not give the man a soul, but he "became" a soul. (or "living creature") You see there that the Hebrew word for soul ("nep̄eš") is translated "living creature" because that is what the "soul" is in the Bible. Nowhere is a soul described as a disembodied spirit. So the physical body of man became a "soul" when he started breathing. Animals too are called "souls' in the Bible because they breathe like we do, and they die the same way we do....we all stop breathing. (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20)

So the breath of life is the 'spirit' in man and animals. We all have the same "spirit" (breath) and when our physical body dies, the soul dies too. (Ezekiel 18:4) We do not have an immortal soul that departs from the body at death....no scripture says this. It say that there is no consciousness or activity in death. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10)

So the Bible does not stress our uniqueness over the animals, but rather Solomon lamented about our similarity in death.

What was it that made us different?....the Bible's promise was "resurrection"...which was a return to life, not a continuation of it.
Animals were not promised this.
What have you been taught about the resurrection? Or do you know about it?
Jesus taught us about it in connection with his friend Lazarus. (John 11:11-14)
Lazarus' sister spoke of the hope of the resurrection.....

"So when Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went and met him, but Mary remained seated in the house. 21 Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But even now I know that whatever you ask from God, God will give you.” 23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” 24 Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live". (ESV)

What do you think Martha meant when she spoke about "the resurrection on the last day"?

I think Martha's statement is a prophecy of the Lord's resurrection. And I think the truth is that God is resurrected

 

[Aunty Jane]

I think Martha's statement is a prophecy of the Lord's resurrection. And I think the truth is that God is resurrected

Please read it again.....she was speaking about her brother....not Jesus. She was looking forward to "the resurrection on the last day" when her brother would be called from his tomb, like all the other resurrected dead....which was their belief as Jews at the time.

Jesus said that he was going to raise Lazarus then and there....so he would not have to wait for that future resurrection.

John 5:28-29...
"Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment."

He was speaking about this as taking place in the future. All the dead, both good and evil will come out of their tombs.....what do you make of that?

 

[Jennifer Rogers]

Please read it again.....she was speaking about her brother....not Jesus. She was looking forward to "the resurrection on the last day" when her brother would be called from his tomb, like all the other resurrected dead....which was their belief as Jews at the time.

Jesus said that he was going to raise Lazarus then and there....so he would not have to wait for that future resurrection.

John 5:28-29...
"Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment."

He was speaking about this as taking place in the future. All the dead, both good and evil will come out of their tombs.....what do you make of that?

I think the resurrection of the good and the bad is the way God rewards and punishes. The good people live to continue their meaningful lives, and the bad people live to endure the torments of life.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I think the resurrection of the good and the bad is the way God rewards and punishes. The good people live to continue their meaningful lives, and the bad people live to endure the torments of life.

Are you a Bible student Jennifer? Have you done serious studies in the scriptures? Where do these answers come from?

Where are people living these lives?

Can you tell me where Lazarus was before Jesus raised him? Where did Jesus say he was? (John 11:11-14)

 

[Jennifer Rogers]

Are you a Bible student Jennifer? Have you done serious studies in the scriptures? Where do these answers come from?

Where are people living these lives?

Can you tell me where Lazarus was before Jesus raised him? Where did Jesus say he was? (John 11:11-14)

I am a new Christian and I am in the process of studying the Bible. I'm trying to be a perfect Christian, that's why I came to the forum. I hope you won't feel I'm angry with my answer.

 

[Titus]

Are you a Bible student Jennifer? Have you done serious studies in the scriptures? Where do these answers come from?

Where are people living these lives?

Can you tell me where Lazarus was before Jesus raised him? Where did Jesus say he was? (John 11:11-14)

Aunty Jane, Jesus says He is God in John 8:58,
Jesus said to them, Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.

Leave the Jehovahs Witness doctrine. Those who deny Jesus is God will die in their sins.

 

[GEN2REV]

Welcome @Jennifer Rogers.
Aunty Jane can be a bit abrasive. Don't take it personally.

@Aunty Jane
I'm in the process of studying out this concept of separate soul/spirit and have an ongoing thread about it: Only Believers are Resurrected?

I'm curious what you make of the passage about Samuel's soul/spirit being contacted by the witch of Endor. 1 Samuel 28

And is the story of the rich man and Lazarus just a parable? If so, what verses confirm that?

 

[bbyrd009]

Lazarus = Eleazar, apparently

I am a new Christian and I am in the process of studying the Bible. I'm trying to be a perfect Christian, that's why I came to the forum. I hope you won't feel I'm angry with my answer.

fwiw Paul suggests self-study for three years, which you are apparently doing already :)
ntmy, im mark

 

[Titus]

Welcome @Jennifer Rogers.
Aunty Jane can be a bit abrasive. Don't take it personally.

@Aunty Jane
I'm in the process of studying out this concept of separate soul/spirit and have an ongoing thread about it Only Believers are Resurrected?

I'm curious what you make of the passage about Samuel's soul/spirit being contacted by the witch of Endor. 1 Samuel 28

And is the story of the rich man and Lazarus just a parable. If so, what verses confirm that?

If you continue to deny that God is Father, person, Son, person, Holy Spirit person. In One. You will die in your sins.
Your oneness god is as fictitious as Aunty Jane's god.

 

[farouk]

I am a new Christian and I am in the process of studying the Bible. I'm trying to be a perfect Christian, that's why I came to the forum. I hope you won't feel I'm angry with my answer.

@Jennifer Rogers Prayer and the Scriptures daily are so important.

As you already indicated by quoting Proverbs 3.5-6, faith involves trust. Job said, "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him". A trusting faith goes far beyond logic: it involves a simple faith in the Lord Jesus, Who gave Himself for His people: "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

God bless His Word to you richly, and good to see you on the forums!

 

[farouk]

I think the resurrection of the good and the bad is the way God rewards and punishes. The good people live to continue their meaningful lives, and the bad people live to endure the torments of life.

@Jennifer Rogers We cannot bring anything good to God at all, but it's such a blessing to trust in the Lord Jesus and His work at the Cross. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:

"And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."

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"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord."