Made in God's Image,Likeness or Become as ONE of us?

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When God created man was he not created in the likeness and image of God to begin with?
Gen 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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Then what does it mean when AFTER they spiritually died and was given their carnal flesh/skin because they ate of the forbidden tree and disobeyed God does THE LORD God say that NOW they have become like ONE of us? Does this mean as one like God... or does it mean ONE of them in particular?


Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
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Then what does it mean when AFTER they spiritually died and was given their carnal flesh/skin because they ate of the forbidden tree and disobeyed God does THE LORD God say that NOW they have become like ONE of us? Does this mean as one like God... or does it mean ONE of them in particular?
The answer is in the verse you have given...Gen 3:21. "knowing good and evil." They did not know evil prior to the fall as everything that God had made was good. They only knew what God told them....what had been missing for them, was the knowledge of evil. They were made in the image of God but did not have the experience of eternity that God had where it came to what is good and what is evil. Having such knowledge as created beings would have caused them to err greatly. Eating from the tree of life would have caused them to live forever. Mankind would have been no different then the fallen ones....so God threw them out.
 

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Angelina said:
The answer is in the verse you have given...Gen 3:21. "knowing good and evil." They did not know evil prior to the fall as everything that God had made was good. They only knew what God told them....what had been missing for them, was the knowledge of evil. They were made in the image of God but did not have the experience of eternity that God had where it came to what is good and what is evil. Having such knowledge as created beings would have caused them to err greatly. Eating from the tree of life would have caused them to live forever. Mankind would have been no different then the fallen ones....so God threw them out.
That is a good answer Angelina, but if they were already created in God's image, then how can God say after eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they are as one of them as in their image?
And did He mean as a god when He said as one of us.. or did He mean as ONE of us as in a certain individual of the godhead?

You say He threw them out so they would not become as the fallen angels... but look around at all the knowledge man has that they have no business having because they have destroyed our earth and wildlife and they do evil continuously in the sight of God. Do you think they are still eating of the tree of the knowledge to know good and evil(war, killing, liars, thieves, home wreckers, sorcery, covetousness, adultery, fornication, perversions etc...

Gen 6:4-6
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
KJV

Do you think that if we do not overcome sinful ways that the world will stay in this same wicked evilness? Receiving Jesus gave us a right standing with God.. but we are far from overcoming our flesh man that is weak and desires it's own knowledge to be like a god, not needing or wanting the True God in our life and because of it we end up destroying our own house with forbidden knowledge that a child should not have. It is true, God knows ALL THINGS and we as children compared to Him are infantile in knowledge and just as you don't let a babe get into the things under the sink because they can kill him... so are we in Gods eyes.
We must refuse to eat of the tree of the knowledge to know good and evil and only seek to know good by finding our path following the Word of life, the very tree of life that when we feed upon produces GOOD fruit only.

1 John 1:1-2
1:1 That which was from the beginning{IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD...}, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us; )
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afaithfulone4u said:
When God created man was he not created in the likeness and image of
God to begin with?
The Hebrew word for "image" is tselem (tseh'-lem) which doesn't necessarily
indicate a spitting image; it just simply means shade; viz: a shadow and/or a
phantom. It's a very common word in the Old Testament and often translated
by the English word "idol".

The word for "likeness" is demuwth (dem-ooth') and just simply means a
resemblance. In other words; there are things about God that Man and God
have in common: not appearance-wise, but personality-wise; e.g. creativity,
planning, and an appreciation for things like order and beauty.

But one thing that God didn't give Adam when He created Man was an
intuitive sense right and wrong. That sense came later when Adam tasted
the forbidden fruit. Only trouble is: Man's intuitive sense of right and wrong
isn't divine; it's humanistic; viz: it's a natural sense rather than a God-given
sense. Hence; Adam became his own God; just as the Serpent predicted.

†. Gen 3:5 . . For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be
opened, and you will be like God: knowing good and evil.

But what the Serpent held back from Eve is that a natural sense of right and
wrong doesn't always agree with a God-given sense; thus Man and God would
be at variance with each other, vying over whose judgment is correct and
whose is nonsense. Man, of course, in his conceit, is convinced that his own
judgment is intelligent and God's is moronic.

†. Rom 8:7-8 . .The carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject
to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh
cannot please God.

†. 1Cor 2:14 . . The natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of
God, for they are absurd to him; nor can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.


afaithfulone4u said:
Then what does it mean when AFTER they spiritually died and was given their
carnal flesh/skin
According to Gen 2:7 and Gen 2:21-23, Adam wasn't created a spirit being;
he was created a mortal being; in point of fact: a being of flesh and bone.

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Webers_Home said:
The Hebrew word for "image" is tselem (tseh'-lem) which doesn't necessarily
indicate a spitting image; it just simply means shade; viz: a shadow and/or a
phantom. It's a very common word in the Old Testament and often translated
by the English word "idol".

The word for "likeness" is demuwth (dem-ooth') and just simply means a
resemblance. In other words; there are things about God that Man and God
have in common: not appearance-wise, but personality-wise; e.g. creativity,
planning, and an appreciation for things like order and beauty.

But one thing that God didn't give Adam when He created Man was an
intuitive sense right and wrong. That sense came later when Adam tasted
the forbidden fruit. Only trouble is: Man's intuitive sense of right and wrong
isn't divine; it's humanistic; viz: it's a natural sense rather than a God-given
sense. Hence; Adam became his own God; just as the Serpent predicted.

†. Gen 3:5 . . For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be
opened, and you will be like God: knowing good and evil.

But what the Serpent held back from Eve is that a natural sense of right and
wrong doesn't always agree with a God-given sense; thus Man and God would
be at variance with each other, vying over whose judgment is correct and
whose is nonsense. Man, of course, in his conceit, is convinced that his own
judgment is intelligent and God's is moronic.

†. Rom 8:7-8 . .The carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject
to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh
cannot please God.

†. 1Cor 2:14 . . The natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of
God, for they are absurd to him; nor can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.



According to Gen 2:7 and Gen 2:21-23, Adam wasn't created a spirit being;
he was created a mortal being; in point of fact: a being of flesh and bone.

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Did you ever notice WHICH tree Eve thought was the forbidden tree? She didn't name a tree... she just said the tree in the MIDST of the garden we are not to eat of. The serpent did not correct Eve, but let her be deceived. The tree in the Midst of the garden was the tree of life... NOT the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that was also in THE GARDEN.. but not in the middle of the garden. The serpent tested her to see if she knew which tree was the forbidden one and she failed the test and so did Adam when he didn't even recognize the fruit and just ate to please his wife.
Gen 3:3
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
KJV

When Jesus was resurrected in his incorruptible body, did he not have flesh and bones?
Luke 24:37-39
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
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Adam had God's Spirit for he was created in God's image.Only one with an unclean spirit is not of God. Just as we are being born again by the Spirit of God since Jesus paid the debt owed to the Father to redeem us so that we could once again eat from the tree of life which is the Word of life being Christ and the Spirit of life to be restored, for Jesus is the Last Adam and if we are in him we WILL no longer be led of our carnal fallen nature, but are daily carrying our cross to be raised up with Christ in the Spirit in newness of life! But we are not God the Father, but in His image meaning His attributes. But God has given us dominion of the earth to be as God on His behalf as children of the Most High.

John 10:33-35
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
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John 5:18
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
KJV
Phil 2:5-7
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
KJV
John 5:24
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
KJV
Rom 6:4-7
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
KJV
John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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afaithfulone4u said:
Did you ever notice WHICH tree Eve thought was the forbidden
tree? She didn't name a tree... she just said the tree in the MIDST
of the garden we are not to eat of. The serpent did not correct Eve,
but let her be deceived. The tree in the Midst of the garden was
the tree of life... NOT the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
that was also in THE GARDEN.. but not in the middle of the garden.
According to Gen 2:9, both trees grew in the midst of the garden.


afaithfulone4u said:
she failed the test and so did Adam when he didn't even recognize
the fruit
According to 1Tim 2:14, Adam knew exactly what he was doing.


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