Man has a part in his salvation=things to do, believe and say.

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GISMYS_7

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YES!! True believers CHOOSE to trust in Christ as their only grounds of acceptance with God or the choose to reject God!! All their choice!
 
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Dave these are the possible theological avenues here:
A) Man has a choice whether or not to accept Christ. Christ loves all people, died for all people, and whomever shall believe on His name shall be saved.
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B) God forces himself on some people and not on others. God does not love all people, let alone die for them-- rather some he created just to force to Hell. Even those that go to heaven unconsenting.
This is salvation for the self-righteous. God saves those who cannot save themselves.
 
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YES!! True believers CHOOSE to trust in Christ as their only grounds of acceptance with God or the choose to reject God!! All their choice!
You offer salvation only to the self-righteous. God saves those who cannot save themselves.
 

GISMYS_7

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God tells us who and how to be saved!! Romans 10:9-13 says all who call on the Lord will be saved!!
 
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Dave L

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God tells us who and how to be saved!! Romans 10:9-13 says all who call on the Lord will be saved!!
This is not the gospel. It is a misuse of scripture presenting it as a ritual for people to use in saving themselves. Similar to Catholicism.
 

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Why not choose to believe God's word and forget the word of a long dead little 14th century man???

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13

God says==That """if""" thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,

and ""shalt believe"" in your heart that God hath raised him

from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man

believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth ""confession

is made unto Salvation"". For whosoever shall ""call ""upon the

name of the Lord "shall" be Saved...
 
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Dave L

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Why not choose to believe God's word and forget the word of a long dead little 14th century man???

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13

God says==That """if""" thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,

and ""shalt believe"" in your heart that God hath raised him

from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man

believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth ""confession

is made unto Salvation"". For whosoever shall ""call ""upon the

name of the Lord "shall" be Saved...
You are turning Paul's reassuring words to believers into a ritual for people to trust in for salvation = bad.
 

Jane_Doe22

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This is salvation for the self-righteous. God saves those who cannot save themselves.
Again:
A) Man has a choice whether or not to accept Christ. Christ loves all people, died for all people, and whomever shall believe on His name shall be saved.
or
B) God forces himself on some people and not on others. God does not love all people, let alone die for them-- rather some he created just to force to Hell. Even those that go to heaven are unconsenting.
 
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Dave L

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Again:
A) Man has a choice whether or not to accept Christ. Christ loves all people, died for all people, and whomever shall believe on His name shall be saved.
or
B) God forces himself on some people and not on others. God does not love all people, let alone die for them-- rather some he created just to force to Hell. Even those that go to heaven are unconsenting.
This is not biblical in the least. It is a scheme for the self-righteous to use while trying to save themselves by works.
 

Jane_Doe22

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This is not biblical in the least. It is a scheme for the self-righteous to use while trying to save themselves by works.
Nonsense! This is John 3:16! This is the Gospel! This is the God of love.

It is not the god of Calvinism. It is not about a villain whom creates people just to doom them. Whom forces himself on others more than any mortal rapiest or brainwasher could.
 
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Dave L

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Why do you think Paul would be telling believers how to be saved???
He wasn't. He was reassuring them that if they are doing this, it's because God saved them. Or they would not be doing it.
 
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Dave L

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Nonsense! This is John 3:16! This is the Gospel! This is the God of love.

It is not the god of Calvinism.
It's all self-righteousness and nothing to do with scripture where God saves those who cannot save themselves.
 

GISMYS_7

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ROFL!!! There is no need for Paul to tell those that are already saved what to do to be saved!!!THINK!!!

Why not choose to believe God's word and forget the word of a long dead little 14th century man???

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13

God says==That """if""" thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,

and ""shalt believe"" in your heart that God hath raised him

from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man

believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth ""confession

is made unto Salvation"". For whosoever shall ""call ""upon the

name of the Lord "shall" be Saved..
 
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It's all self-righteousness and nothing to do with scripture where God saves those who cannot save themselves.
Saved with or without consent?

Without consent is to be a being FAR worse than any mortal rapist or mass murder.
 
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Dave L

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ROFL!!! There is no need for Paul to tell those that are already saved what to do to be saved!!!THINK!!!

Why not choose to believe God's word and forget the word of a long dead little 14th century man???

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13

God says==That """if""" thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,

and ""shalt believe"" in your heart that God hath raised him

from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man

believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth ""confession

is made unto Salvation"". For whosoever shall ""call ""upon the

name of the Lord "shall" be Saved..
You believe because God saved you. He did not save you because you believe.