Many Are Called But Few Chosen = Matthew 22;1-10

[brightfame52]

I see your point, and I understand you are trying to make a practical argument. And on the face of it, it seems entirely practical and logical: Shouldn't we need the new heart of Christ with power to repent? And so keep the commandment of God to repent of our sinning?

The simple answer is by a simple question: Proper to who? To God or to man? Afterall, it's God, not sinful man, who commands men everywhere to repent, in order to receive the promised NT heart of Christ from God. It's God who holds all the cards, not man. And it's man who needs God, not God who needs man.

And so we see it's not just a matter of practical logic about man's power, but of belief in God's word of commandment. The nature of unrepentant sinful man, is that If the heart believes not, then the mind argues against it.

And so it's sinful man that ought and must please our Creator, and satisfy the demands of the true God, and not our Creator that needs satisfy the objections of man to His commandment.

This is the cliff notes answer, that you can consider and answer, if you want. (I'll draw it out in as much detail as I can in more posts.)

Thats backwards, man is first given a new heart to repent, man by nature the heart doesnt repent and is hard towards God, Rom 2:5

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

 

[Ghada]

Wouldnt it seem proper that God first give a new heart and then command to repent ?

The unsaid claim is that sinners don't have the power to obey the commandment to repent of sinning. Does this not also make that God unjust in commanding all sinners everywhere to repent (Acts 17). God forbid.

Also, in practical logic, let's look at the flip side. Since we do have power to resist and disobey that all powerful God of the Bible, then certainly we do have power to resist and disobey the lesser god of this world.

Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

That God of the Bible says we do. And so His commandment for all sinners to repent is entirely just and practical.

And so what we really find is 'unrepentant' sinful men not believing that God, and accusing that God of unjust commandments. All the while playing weak against a lying devil, when they are strong against the true God. Why?

Because they are unrepentant sinners making arguments of the devil to justify it. Which is not God's fault, but their own.

Not repenting is by refusing to repent, which proves their own power to resist God and continue serving the devil.

The fact that some do repent of our sinning, further proves the lie of them that don't, who who try to hide it with fig leaves, and say there is no shame in it, because it's not possible to obey the commandment of God to sin not. While it is certainly possible to obey the commandment of the god of this world to sin against the all power God of heaven and earth.

 

[brightfame52]

First off, the error is using our own practical logic. We are not speaking of the things of man only, but of the things of the true God, whose ways are not our ways, and our ways are not His ways.

What is practical to God is not practical to man, but with God all things are possible for man to do. Why? Because we are in fact made in His image in the first place. Since God does command all sinners to repent, then it is in deed and in truth possible for any man to repent, even while being sinners separated from God by their sinning.

And this is true in practice. People repent of all manner of things at any given time, if they so choose to from the heart. And it doesn't have to do with God.

And so, we see that indeed, the very commandment to man by the all powerful God, is proof and confession of God, that man does have practical power to do so. Arguments against it proves even more so the power of man to resist the power of that true God.

By God's commandment to any and all men, He is arguing for man's power to obey. Any arguments against doing so, is for the weakness of man. And the source of that weak argument? The god of this world, not the only true God.

Man has power to choose whom to obey or not ,and any argument against that power is a weak lie to justify choose another god and christ, than the true God Jesus Christ.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

This is a clear statement by the God of the Bible, that man chooses whom to obey, ands so has power to do so. It is man that yields his own power to serve another.

The Scripture is the opposite of unwilling servants, but of willingness from the heart. The Bible Light in fact shines in a world of darkness, contrary to the 'natural selection' lie of despots: All men everywhere do have power to choose whom to obey and serve. That truth is revealed by the power all people have by virtue of being created in the image of the true God, and also is lighted by Christ Himself when coming into the world.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Conclusion: Any sinful man does have power to repent of sinning, which is proven by the all powerful God commandment every sinner to do so.

God does and must give repentance. Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Its up to God if He will give an individual repentance 2 Tim 2:25

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

 

[brightfame52]

Next, The ignored elephant in the room is that God in the Bible does certainly command men everywhere to repent (Acts 17). And He does so in order to give that man the promised NT heart of Christ.

Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

And it is this pain commandment, that is the only reason any argument about it is made. Arguing about it first acknowledges the commandment (Which in itself proves man's power to do so), and so in turn proves the unwillingness to obey.

It's only an unbelieving heart, that argues against doing what man can do from the heart. Therefore, unrepentant sinful man only turns to a any argument of 'practical logic' for cover.

If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.

Jesus is flatly saying that if God had not commanded all men to repent, then men would indeed have a cover for sinning, under the banner of 'weakness' of power. Which of course is the lie of the devil given to any man that repents now, and seeks to justify it.

All disobedient sinners are not dishonest with themselves nor God. But hypocrites are known for not being honest with God nor themselves. Rather than just saying, No, I don't want to, they instead come up with 'practical reasons' not to.

Honest children of disobedience are like the one that flatly says not to the master, but then repents and does the master's will. Doing good only begins with being honest to God and ourselves.

Conclusion: The commandment from God is good. It proves man has power to do it. Some men choose to do so. Some choose not to. And some choose to lie to God, themselves, and others and say they have no power nor choice in the matter.

Those in Acts 17 that God commands to repent, His command causes their repentance.

 

[brightfame52]

@Ghada

The unsaid claim is that sinners don't have the power to obey the commandment to repent of sinning.

We dont, thats why sinners must be saved from their sins, the Saviour gives repentance Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

You think man is his own saviour.

 

[Ghada]

Many are called but few are chosen does not have to do with salvation. The called means calling everyone to salvation but the chosen are who God chooses for an office.

Ah, the old not-to-do-with-salvation gambit.

We can add this one to the growing list: Works does not have to do with faith. Being justified by works, does not have to do with being saved by faith. Sanctification does not have to do with justification, and now being chosen does not have to do with being saved.

And so, there are the saved, that are the called by not the chosen. Saved calling and election are not the same.

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

This is to all the saved people of God, that have the same saving faith. There is no 'separation' between our calling and election. There is no difference being made between the called saved and the elected ministers of salvation.

I love it how God always makes sure His words expose every conceivable trick of the devil, to make a lie into a truth.

And of course the context is Jesus speaking of them chosen in the light, and them called but cast into outer darkness.

Now, I have heard another play on words, is that outer darkness is just the 'outer limits' of heaven, that the called but unchosen 'saved' hover around forever. You going with that one too?)

If we don't want to conform to God's words, then we'll just change the words into something else.

Doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

Many hear the call to repent, and few repent. God does not choose them that repent not, but only them that repent.

And only them that make our salvation calling and election sure, shall not fall from God's grace unto the end.

 

[Ghada]

Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

I can see the point. However, Jesus is speaking of having chosen one in the past, that is now a devil in the present: Past tense choosing vs present tense manner.

It's all about the doctrine we believe, when reading the Bible pertaining to that doctrine. Reading with false doctrine is always shown to be sloppy. Reading with true doctrine always includes discipline with the words.

If we want to believe all are chosen by God, saints and devils alike, then we willfully read Jesus saying He chooses devils. Rather than Jesus later saying He has chosen one that becomes a devil.

Discipline with simple verb and grammar construction gets thrown out the window, for loyalty to a personal doctrine we want to believe.

It also proves that not all that are chosen, also ensure their election not to fall away from being chosen by Christ.

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

God does not choose devils to serve Him. Devils by nature do not serve God. In fact, when devils did proclaim Jesus to be the Son of the Highest, He told them to shut up.

Devils can be used in their devilishness to serve God's purposes, but they are not at all serving Him.

And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

Judas was not serving God by betraying His dear Son. It's along the same lines of commending the righteousness of God by doing unrighteousness in Romans 3. God forbid.

No man serves God by serving the devil. No man is chosen of God, while doing unrighteousness against God.

I now see where this self-contradictory effort comes from, to make all chosen by God, both saints and sinners alike. It's to have all saved, whether doing righteousness or unrighteousness alike.

 

[Ghada]

@Ghada



We dont, thats why sinners must be saved from their sins, the Saviour gives repentance Acts 5:31

Ok. Since being saved, you've now repented of all your sinning. Correct?

 

[brightfame52]

Ok. Since being saved, you've now repented of all your sinning. Correct?

Im not here to talk about me or you, but to lift up the Name of Jesus, who gives His chosen repentance as their Saviour Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Now why are you here on a public forum asking about peoples private life ?

 

[gpresdo]

Ok. Since being saved, you've now repented of all your sinning. Correct?

What is your point?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Ah, the old not-to-do-with-salvation gambit.

We can add this one to the growing list: Works does not have to do with faith. Being justified by works, does not have to do with being saved by faith. Sanctification does not have to do with justification, and now being chosen does not have to do with being saved.

And so, there are the saved, that are the called by not the chosen. Saved calling and election are not the same.

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

This is to all the saved people of God, that have the same saving faith. There is no 'separation' between our calling and election. There is no difference being made between the called saved and the elected ministers of salvation.

I love it how God always makes sure His words expose every conceivable trick of the devil, to make a lie into a truth.

And of course the context is Jesus speaking of them chosen in the light, and them called but cast into outer darkness.

Now, I have heard another play on words, is that outer darkness is just the 'outer limits' of heaven, that the called but unchosen 'saved' hover around forever. You going with that one too?)

If we don't want to conform to God's words, then we'll just change the words into something else.

Doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

Many hear the call to repent, and few repent. God does not choose them that repent not, but only them that repent.

And only them that make our salvation calling and election sure, shall not fall from God's grace unto the end.

It is those who believe in a God that chooses some to go to hell that believe doctrines of demons.

 

[brightfame52]

It is those who believe in a God that chooses some to go to hell that believe doctrines of demons.

Well since God chose some to go to heaven, the rest He chose to go to hell justly for their sins. Thats the Gospel of Gods Grace since all deservedly should go to hell for their sins. Thats the doctrine of God

 

[Ghada]

Thats backwards, man is first given a new heart to repent,

For godly sorrow worketh repentance unto salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

It's your doctrine of 'salvation unto repentance' that is backward by unbelief.

No man is given the promised NT heart of Christ by our own faith alone. Changing our minds about sin by hearing the truth alone, is not doing the truth and worthy of a new heart from God.

Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Only by changing our works from sinning is doing the truth and makes a new heart by God.

Repentance for Jesus' sake is of all dead works at one, and not just in part gradually at ones own leisure. That is man's unrepented religion of their own faith and will, not God's pure religion of Jesus Christ.

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

True. This is all sinners who have not yet repented of all their transgressions, whether atheist or religious.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Well since God chose some to go to heaven, the rest He chose to go to hell justly for their sins. Thats the Gospel of Gods Grace since all deservedly should go to hell for their sins. Thats the doctrine of God

Wow, another one that doesn't know God's Word, let alone the gospel of Jesus Christ. brightfame52, I'm surprised at you.

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."

 

[Ghada]

Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

All transgressors are now commanded to repent by God. And all transgressions are to be repented of, in order to receive the promised new heart from God.

All are commanded to repent. Many are called unto repentance by hearing of the word. Only the few who do repent of all their dead works for Jesus' sake, are chosen to receive the whole new heart of God in Christ Jesus.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Only them that repent of all our sins and trespasses for Jesus' sake, enter in at the straight and narrow kingdom of God. All the rest, whether repenting of none or only in part, are continuing to go on in the broad and wide kingdom of darkness and destruction.

And those who believe in their own faith alone without repentance, are only entering into a greater kingdom of darkness, than that of other transgressors, who do not justify themselves.

But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Thats backwards, man is first given a new heart to repent, man by nature the heart doesnt repent and is hard towards God, Rom 2:5

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Romans 10:17 is first. We are not saved and then repent! That sounds like Calvinism.

 

[Ghada]

Wow, another one that doesn't know God's Word, let alone the gospel of Jesus Christ.

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."

Calvin's predeterminism of who shall be chosen and who shall not, is one of the most devilish lies in Christian religion.

First, as you show, it's the oldest lie of Lucifer, that accuses God of willing some of His own creatures to perish forever, so that Christ Himself makes them fit for destruction.

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

It rejects the truth that God creates all His creatures for His good pleasure, and not some for the pleasure of destroying Him. And it rejects the truth of Christ making all things good, and lightens every person coming into the world, and does not darken any person from the womb with destruction.

It is the one lie of the devil and man, that makes the true and living God to be the evil god of this world.

And why do self-chosen potentates promote this lie? By spiritual pride in themselves alone.

They believe they were lambs with the Lamb before the world was created. Pride #1. And worst of all is pride #2: they believe they are as chosen gods known by God in the beginning.

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Notice here how the devil is speaking of what God knows, as having already known before any man or woman is made by Him.

And what does that old serpent still say to men and women? That God knows before He creates a man or woman, who is already chosen to be saved or chosen to be destroyed.

It's the first lust and lie of spiritual pride ever committed int he heart of one of God's creatures, that is still being passed on to man: That the prechosen ones known by God, are to be as gods in their own right, with power to choose and know for themselves what is good and evil.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God.

 

[Ghada]

God does and must give repentance. Acts 11:18

True, which is only to transgressors who would repent for Jesus' sake, and be converted for remission of past sinning.

However, not all men repenting is given by God, because it's for a corruptible crown of their own purposes, whether for health, success, religion, law, etc... And such repentance is only in part enough to achieve their personal goals.

And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

Only we who repent of all our sinning for Jesus' sake, have our repentance granted and given by God, unto salvation and deliverance from sinning with a whole new heart and life of God in Christ Jesus.

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

And so we see the repentance that God grants, is unto His everlasting life and His incorruptible crown.

It also confirms the incorruptible gospel of repentance unto salvation and life.

It is the opposite of the corruptible gospel of salvation and life 'unto repentance'. Which, as is all religions of man, only in part.

All who preach their own gospel of salvation unto repentance, also declare they never repent of all their transgressions to sin not. It's forever gradual to sin less than before, but never ends up obeying the commandment of God to repent of all our transgressions.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is to repent of all sins and trespasses at once, for Jesus' sake, unto His salvation from sinning and everlasting life in the Father and the Son.

The incorruptible gospel produces the uncorrupted heart and life walking with Jesus. The corruptible gospel only produces another corrupt religion of man walking in the flesh more or less, by the old same heart of lust.

 

[Ghada]

Those in Acts 17 that God commands to repent, His command causes their repentance.

Very true. God does the commanding, and we do the obeying.

Those who pretend that God and Jesus does their repenting for them, is trying to give Him the glory with false humility.

And those who say we only repent when God 'showers' us with grace, are just giving lip-service to God, when only repenting in their own good time and pleasure.

The corrupted gospel of salvation unto gradual repentance (Never wholly repented from sinning), is unrepentant man's demand for God to first save them by their own faith alone, and only then will they consent to follow up with some convenient repenting on their part.

That's the pretentious and proud counter-offer gospel of conditional surrender to the victorious resurrected Lord. It's not the unconditional gospel offer of immediate and full surrender now for mercy's sake, which is not later at one's own leisure, and only in part.

The conditional surrender gospel of unrepented transgressors, is the real salvation made by man's own will.

That's not us who obey the commandment to repent of all our sinning, that we may find mercy we the all-victorious Lord Jesus Christ.

When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

For godly sorrow worketh repentance unto salvation not to be repented of.

 

[brightfame52]

For godly sorrow worketh repentance unto salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

It's your doctrine of 'salvation unto repentance' that is backward by unbelief.

No man is given the promised NT heart of Christ by our own faith alone. Changing our minds about sin by hearing the truth alone, is not doing the truth and worthy of a new heart from God.

Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Only by changing our works from sinning is doing the truth and makes a new heart by God.

Repentance for Jesus' sake is of all dead works at one, and not just in part gradually at ones own leisure. That is man's unrepented religion of their own faith and will, not God's pure religion of Jesus Christ.

True. This is all sinners who have not yet repented of all their transgressions, whether atheist or religious.

A godly sorrow comes from a godly source, a new godly heart. A person has to have been regenerated and given a new godly heart to repent in salvation.