Many Claim Matthew 25:31-46 Is A Judgement To Enter A Millennium On This Earth?

[Truth7t7]

Um . . . actually, the genre of the writing is "prophetic narrative", according to the wording in the Book. Its not fictitious. Jesus said it would happen, and I for one believe Him.

Anyway, we're just going in circles, no need for that!

Much love!

Nobody stated the "Parable" of the sheep and goats wasn't prophetic as you suggest.

Are sheep and goats going to be literally judged to the lake of fire "No" it's a parable, as is the entire Chapter of Matthew 25

Merriam Webster
Definition of parable

: a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle

 

[marks]

It's my "opinion" you use the word "Genre" to cancel the word "Parable"

Genre refers to the type of writing it is. It's shown in the writing itself.

And He told them this parable, this signals a parable follows. "The kingdom of God is like", this signals a simile, a type of a parable.

They got into the ship is historical narrative. The Son of Man shall be beaten and killed is prophetic narrative.

Much love!

 

[marks]

So when it says that when the Son of Man comes in glory, then He will sit on His throne of glory, this is the same sort of writing as when it says they will bring you before kings and governors. Jesus is foretelling future events in a narrative fashion. Same as historical narrative, only, prophetic.

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

Genre refers to the type of writing it is. It's shown in the writing itself.

And He told them this parable, this signals a parable follows. "The kingdom of God is like", this signals a simile, a type of a parable.

They got into the ship is historical narrative. The Son of Man shall be beaten and killed is prophetic narrative.

Much love!

You are not answering the claim below, are literal sheep and goats going to be judged?

Are sheep and goats going to be literally judged to the lake of fire "No" it's a parable, as is the entire Chapter of Matthew 25

Merriam Webster
Definition of parable

: a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle

 

[marks]

You are not answering the claim below, are literal sheep and goats going to be judged?

Are sheep and goats going to be literally judged to the lake of fire "No" it's a parable, as is the entire Chapter of Matthew 25

Merriam Webster
Definition of parable

: a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle

No, it's people.

Within this narrative there are similes given.

Matthew 25:31-33 KJV
31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

So when it says that when the Son of Man comes in glory, then He will sit on His throne of glory, this is the same sort of writing as when it says they will bring you before kings and governors. Jesus is foretelling future events in a narrative fashion. Same as historical narrative, only, prophetic.

Much love!

Why do you exclude the fictitious representation in sheep and goats which is a "Parable"

Are sheep and goats going to be literally judged to the lake of fire "No" it's a parable, as is the entire Chapter of Matthew 25

Merriam Webster
Definition of parable

: a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle

 

[marks]

Why do you exclude the fictitious representation in sheep and goats which is a "Parable"

Jesus comes in glory, sits on His throne of glory, and divides the gathered nations AS a shepherd divides between sheep and goats. Jesus continues with that terminology.

He's just defined it, so we can know exactly what He is saying without uncertainty. That Jesus calls the righteous sheep and the unrighteous goats doesn't an any way negate the fact that He's just said He will do these things, return in glory, take His throne of glory, and judge the nations.

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

No, it's people.

Within this narrative there are similes given.

Matthew 25:31-33 KJV
31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Much love!

Your claim dosent diminish the fact that sheep and goats are fictitious representatives telling a story in a religious teaching

Will Jesus Christ be literally dividing sheep and goats "No" Are sheep and goats going to be literally judged to the lake of fire "No" it's a parable, as is the entire Chapter of Matthew 25

Merriam Webster
Definition of parable

: a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle

 

[Curtis]

Jesus Returns in Matthew 25:13 as part of the wedding supper of Jesus account.

Will there be a wedding supper, or are we going to allegorize that, too?

After His return, in Mat 25:31-46 tge nations are gathered before God’s throne and judged.

When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.

In this account, the nations are judged on the basis of their treatment of the least of these My brethren. Are the brethren mentioned here Jesus’ fellow Jews, or are they Christians? Perhaps Jesus has both in view.

This judgment determines who in the nations of the world enter into the millennial kingdom.

These are found in Zechariah 14:16-21.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

 

[Truth7t7]

Your claim dosent diminish the fact that sheep and goats are fictitious representatives telling a story in a religious teaching

Will Jesus Christ be literally dividing sheep and goats "No" Are sheep and goats going to be literally judged to the lake of fire "No" it's a parable, as is the entire Chapter of Matthew 25

Merriam Webster
Definition of parable

: a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle

We will disagree, the sheep and goats are fictitious, as literal sheep and goats wont be divided and judged

Just as wheat and tares are fictitious and wont be literally judged

They are fictitious representations in telling a religious principle "Parables"

Merriam Webster
Definition of parable

: a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle

 

[Truth7t7]

This judgment determines who in the nations of the world enter into the millennial kingdom.

These are found in Zechariah 14:16-21.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

Your claim is in error, Matthew 25:31-46 represent the (Final Judgement) and who will be judged to (Eternal Life) and who will be judged to (Everlasting Punishment) in the (Lake Of Fire)

(Final Judgement)

Matthew 25:41KJV
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

(Final Judgement) Eternal Life, Eternal Punishment

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[Jay Ross]

Hello,

Has anyone considered this OT citation for the separation of the goats from the sheep.

Ezekiel 34:17: - 17 'And as for you, O My flock, thus says the Lord God: "Behold, I shall judge between a flock and a flock, between rams and he goats.
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Just like the parable of the Prodigal Son, it too can be found told in the Old Testament.

NKJV​

Shalom

 

[Truth7t7]

Hello,

Has anyone considered this OT citation for the separation of the goats from the sheep.

Ezekiel 34:17: - 17 'And as for you, O My flock, thus says the Lord God: "Behold, I shall judge between a flock and a flock, between rams and he goats.
​

Just like the parable of the Prodigal Son, it too can be found told in the Old Testament.

NKJV​

Shalom

Thanks for the response Jay

Jay Your response has no bearing on the fact that Matthew 25:31-46 represents the future second coming and "Final Judgement" (The End)

(Final Judgement)

Matthew 25:41KJV
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

(Final Judgement) Eternal Life, Eternal Punishment

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[Jay Ross]

Thanks for the response Jay

Jay Your response has no bearing on the fact that Matthew 25:31-46 represents the future second coming and "Final Judgement" (The End)

(Final Judgement)

Matthew 25:41KJV
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

(Final Judgement) Eternal Life, Eternal Punishment

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Sorry, but Truth7t7, I think that you are missing the connection that Ez 34:17 has with the Matt 25 parable as both are describing the same end time event.

Shalom

PS: - Is not the second coming a distant future event?

 

[Truth7t7]

Sorry, but Truth7t7, I think that you are missing the connection that Ez 34:17 has with the Matt 25 parable as both are describing the same end time event.

Shalom

PS: - Is not the second coming a distant future event?

Thanks for the response, "we will disagree"

The opinion speaks for itself, Matthew 25:31-46 represents the second coming and final judgement, and not a pre-judgemnt to enter a Millennium on earth as many claim

(Final Judgement)

Matthew 25:41KJV
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

(Final Judgement) Eternal Life, Eternal Punishment

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[Jay Ross]

Thanks for the response, "we will disagree"

Are you therefore disagreeing with yourself, because we are both thinking that the Separation of the Sheep from the Goats is a distant future event that occurs at the end of the Millennium Age.

Shalom

 

[Keraz]

Matthew 25:41KJV
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
(Final Judgement) Eternal Life, Eternal Punishment

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

When Jesus Returns; He will judge the nations, as Matthew 25:31-46 describes.
It will happen at the Battle of Armageddon and all the godless wicked peoples will die at that time.

Only the righteous faithful people will remain alive, to go with Jesus into His Millennium reign. Only at the end of the thousand years, is every individual person Judged.
THEN; everyone who has ever lived, including those killed at Armageddon, Hitler, Judas, + those who rebelled and got burned up as per Revelation 20:7-9, and the righteous - David, Abraham, the Prophets, and you and me; will stand before God on His Great White Throne. Revelation 20:11-15

ALL those whose names are Written in the Book of Life will go into Eternity, in new spiritual, immortal bodies.
ALL those whose names are not found in the Book of Life, will be annihilated in the Lake of Fire.

This scenario is the Biblical truth. There is plenty of scriptural proofs for it and any other theories or end times fables, are false teachings.

 

[Truth7t7]

When Jesus Returns; He will judge the nations, as Matthew 25:31-46 describes.
It will happen at the Battle of Armageddon and all the godless wicked peoples will die at that time.

Only the righteous faithful people will remain alive, to go with Jesus into His Millennium reign. Only at the end of the thousand years, is every individual person Judged.
THEN; everyone who has ever lived, including those killed at Armageddon, Hitler, Judas, + those who rebelled and got burned up as per Revelation 20:7-9, and the righteous - David, Abraham, the Prophets, and you and me; will stand before God on His Great White Throne. Revelation 20:11-15

ALL those whose names are Written in the Book of Life will go into Eternity, in new spiritual, immortal bodies.
ALL those whose names are not found in the Book of Life, will be annihilated in the Lake of Fire.

This scenario is the Biblical truth. There is plenty of scriptural proofs for it and any other theories or end times fables, are false teachings.

Scripture clearly teaches that Revelation 11:18 is the "Final Judgement" (The End) a parallel teaching of Revelation 20:11-15

Of course those that support a Millennium on this earth will claim otherwise, because their hopes and dreams disappear in Gods words of truth before your eyes

When the 7th angel sounds in Revelation 11:15 its (The End)

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 20:11-15KJV
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you therefore disagreeing with yourself, because we are both thinking that the Separation of the Sheep from the Goats is a distant future event that occurs at the end of the Millennium Age.

Shalom

There will be no Millennial Kingdom on this earth as you suggest

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Jay Ross]

There will be no Millennial Kingdom on this earth as you suggest

Please read what I said in my posts and do not assume that i have suggested that I have advocated for a Millennium Kingdom here on the earth during the Millennium Age. The seventh age has been dubbed as the Millennium Age by scholars as it contains the 1,000 years of Satan being imprisoned in the bottomless pit.

Others are suggesting that Christ is coming back at the start of the Millennium Age, where as I am not suggesting that in what i wrote, but rather was suggesting that the Sheep and the Goats separation will occur after Christ returns at the end of the Millennium Age, i.e. the seventh age.

As for a brand new heaven and earth, that is not happening because the Greek root word G:2537, "kainos" has the meaning of "refreshed like new," i.e. refurbished, and not the meaning of "new" with respect to age as Greek root G:3501 has.

Now if you cannot understand what I am posting, then how come you believe that you are correctly understanding the English Translations of the Bible. It does raise that question, that you are really out of your depth so to speak in this area of expertise.

Shalom