Many Claim Matthew 25:31-46 Is A Judgement To Enter A Millennium On This Earth?

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As for a brand new heaven and earth, that is not happening because the Greek root word G:2537, "kainos" has the meaning of "refreshed like new," i.e. refurbished, and not the meaning of "new" with respect to age as Greek root G:3501 has.

Now if you cannot understand what I am posting, then how come you believe that you are correctly understanding the English Translations of the Bible. It does raise that question, that you are really out of your depth so to speak in this area of expertise.

Shalom
Your claim is in error, this earth will be "Dissolved" by the Lords fire in judgement, just as 2 Peter 3:10-11 teaches

Your claim of the earth being refurbished is also in error, it will be a New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, a new creation, (behold, I make all things new) Revelation 21:1-5
 

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Your claim is in error, this earth will be "Dissolved" by the Lords fire in judgement, just as 2 Peter 3:10-11 teaches

Your claim of the earth being refurbished is also in error, it will be a New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, a new creation, (behold, I make all things new) Revelation 21:1-5

So do you know what Greek word has been translated as "new" in verse 5. Is its Greek root word G:2537 or G:3501? That is what you need to clarify first in your invalidation of what I had written. If you do not know the Greek Root that has been used in verse five, then your pronouncement of error is actually in what you have written and not in what I have posted. Me thinks that you need to go back to school and study the scriptures a little longer, don't you, before you claim infallibility in what you post?

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So do you know what Greek word has been translated as "new" in verse 5. Is its Greek root word G:2537 or G:3501? That is what you need to clarify first in your invalidation of what I had written. If you do not know the Greek Root that has been used in verse five, then your pronouncement of error is actually in what you have written and not in what I have posted. Me thinks that you need to go back to school and study the scriptures a little longer, don't you, before you claim infallibility in what you post?

Shalom
Jay there is no earth to refurbish after the event seen below, this earth will be "Dissolved" to it's very elements

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 

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QUOTE="Truth7t7,

Jay there is no earth to refurbish after the event seen below, this earth will be "Dissolved" to it's very elements

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which

the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,

the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved/loosen, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved/shaken, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new/a renewed heavens and a new/a renewed earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.[/QUOTE]

Me thinks that you should look at the meanings of the Greek text before you go further in your intransient posts. The scholars who translated the Greek text did so with their biases showing as to how they thought it should be understood and not necessarily in agreement with the context of the Greek texts.

Shalom
 
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Me thinks that you should look at the meanings of the Greek text before you go further in your intransient posts. The scholars who translated the Greek text did so with their biases showing as to how they thought it should be understood and not necessarily in agreement with the context of the Greek texts.

Shalom
Me thinks there is no need to consult the greek, 60 qualified men in the KJV committee did the work for the English speaking world, christian men beyond comparison in their field

INTRODUCTION
At least sixty men were directly involved in the translation of the King James Bible (hereinafter KJB). Most were Translators, while a few were project overseers, revisers and editors. Some served in several roles. Who were these men? What were their backgrounds? What did they share? In what ways were they different? They were a diverse group. While some were born in large cities and towns, most were from small villages scattered throughout England. Several were the children of university graduates, most were not. They were sons of mariners, farmers, school teachers, cordwainers (leather merchants), fletchers (makers of bows and arrows), ministers, brewers, tailors, and aristocrats. All were members of the Church of England, but their religious views ran the gamut. Some were ardent Puritans, others staunch defenders of the religious establishment. Some believed in pre-destination and limited salvation as taught by John Calvin, while others believed in self-determination and universal access to heaven as taught by Jacobus Arminius.

All of the Translators were university graduates. Oxford and Cambridge claimed nearly equal numbers of Translators as alumni. All of the Translators except one were ordained Church of England priests. While several of the Translators had traveled to the Continent, only one had ventured to the New World. Most of the Translators were married men (38 of 60) with families. Most of the Translators spent a significant portion of their career associated with their colleges and universities as fellows, involved in teaching and administration. As fellows, they were not allowed to marry. As a result many delayed marriage until they had established themselves in church office away from the university. When the translation commenced in 1604-1605, the majority of the Translators, 22, were in their forties, 16 men were in their thirties, 15 in their fifties, 3 in their sixties and 3 in their twenties.

One Translator died in his thirties, six in their forties, nineteen in their fifties, sixteen in their sixties, four in their seventies, three in their eighties and one, over one hundred. Nine of the Translators died before the KJB was published in the 1611.

Most of the Translators were in comfortable economic circumstances during and after their time involved in the translation. The association and friendships they developed during the translation project generally advanced their careers. Some of the Translators went on to high church and academic office. Five went on to serve as bishops and two as archbishops.

They all had a familiarity with the ancient languages of Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and often many more. They came on the historical scene at a time when the knowledge of early biblical texts and language was exploding. Such a flowering of interest and expertise was unique. Bible historian, Gordon Campbell, has observed:

The population from which scholars can now be drawn is much larger than in the seventeenth century, but it would be difficult now to bring together a group of more than fifty scholars with the range of languages and knowledge of other disciplines that characterized the KJB Translators. (Bible – The Story of the King James Version 1611-2011 Oxford, Gordon Campbell, Oxford University Press 2010.)

For such a diverse group, they worked together in harmony during a generally contentious time. They had disagreements, to be sure, but they labored on, year after year. There were no "tell all books" published after the fact. Miles Smith remarked in his preface to the KJB, the Translators "were greater in other men's eyes than in their own, and sought truth rather than their own praise". They approached the task of translation with humility, understanding they were standing on the shoulders of giants like William Tyndale. Believers all, the Translators, according to Smith "craved the assistance of God's Spirit by prayer" as they proceeded in their work.

Though almost all were well known within the religious and academic community of the time, their involvement in the translation went largely unnoticed by the public. Their individual and group effort was not the subject of historical inquiry until many years after the fact. As a result, little information about the process of translation survived. The lives of the Translators and sometimes their very identity became obscured with time. In certain instances, the place of their birth and burial is unknown, and their family circumstance in doubt. Until this anniversary year, few could name even one Translator, let alone sixty. The following brief biographies are written in the hope to shed further light on these men who contributed so much.
 

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Me thinks there is no need to consult the greek, 60 qualified men in the KJV committee did the work for the English speaking world, christian men beyond comparison in their field

INTRODUCTION
At least sixty men were directly involved in the translation of the King James Bible (hereinafter KJB). Most were Translators, while a few were project overseers, revisers and editors. Some served in several roles. Who were these men? What were their backgrounds? What did they share? In what ways were they different? They were a diverse group. While some were born in large cities and towns, most were from small villages scattered throughout England. Several were the children of university graduates, most were not. They were sons of mariners, farmers, school teachers, cordwainers (leather merchants), fletchers (makers of bows and arrows), ministers, brewers, tailors, and aristocrats. All were members of the Church of England, but their religious views ran the gamut. Some were ardent Puritans, others staunch defenders of the religious establishment. Some believed in pre-destination and limited salvation as taught by John Calvin, while others believed in self-determination and universal access to heaven as taught by Jacobus Arminius.

All of the Translators were university graduates. Oxford and Cambridge claimed nearly equal numbers of Translators as alumni. All of the Translators except one were ordained Church of England priests. While several of the Translators had traveled to the Continent, only one had ventured to the New World. Most of the Translators were married men (38 of 60) with families. Most of the Translators spent a significant portion of their career associated with their colleges and universities as fellows, involved in teaching and administration. As fellows, they were not allowed to marry. As a result many delayed marriage until they had established themselves in church office away from the university. When the translation commenced in 1604-1605, the majority of the Translators, 22, were in their forties, 16 men were in their thirties, 15 in their fifties, 3 in their sixties and 3 in their twenties.

One Translator died in his thirties, six in their forties, nineteen in their fifties, sixteen in their sixties, four in their seventies, three in their eighties and one, over one hundred. Nine of the Translators died before the KJB was published in the 1611.

Most of the Translators were in comfortable economic circumstances during and after their time involved in the translation. The association and friendships they developed during the translation project generally advanced their careers. Some of the Translators went on to high church and academic office. Five went on to serve as bishops and two as archbishops.

They all had a familiarity with the ancient languages of Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and often many more. They came on the historical scene at a time when the knowledge of early biblical texts and language was exploding. Such a flowering of interest and expertise was unique. Bible historian, Gordon Campbell, has observed:

The population from which scholars can now be drawn is much larger than in the seventeenth century, but it would be difficult now to bring together a group of more than fifty scholars with the range of languages and knowledge of other disciplines that characterized the KJB Translators. (Bible – The Story of the King James Version 1611-2011 Oxford, Gordon Campbell, Oxford University Press 2010.)

For such a diverse group, they worked together in harmony during a generally contentious time. They had disagreements, to be sure, but they labored on, year after year. There were no "tell all books" published after the fact. Miles Smith remarked in his preface to the KJB, the Translators "were greater in other men's eyes than in their own, and sought truth rather than their own praise". They approached the task of translation with humility, understanding they were standing on the shoulders of giants like William Tyndale. Believers all, the Translators, according to Smith "craved the assistance of God's Spirit by prayer" as they proceeded in their work.

Though almost all were well known within the religious and academic community of the time, their involvement in the translation went largely unnoticed by the public. Their individual and group effort was not the subject of historical inquiry until many years after the fact. As a result, little information about the process of translation survived. The lives of the Translators and sometimes their very identity became obscured with time. In certain instances, the place of their birth and burial is unknown, and their family circumstance in doubt. Until this anniversary year, few could name even one Translator, let alone sixty. The following brief biographies are written in the hope to shed further light on these men who contributed so much.

You Are a Lost Cause.

They say a camel was designed by a committee. The KJV was also put together by a committee. It contains many contextual errors in its translation and the flawed traditions of the scholars has creeped in from the time after Israel crossed the Jordan and the flawed misunderstanding that have evolved since then, have been absorbed in the translations right up to this present time.

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Many claim Matthew 25:31-46 Is A Judgement To Enter A Millennium On This Earth?
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MISSING...
Many quotes of the supposed Many claimants.
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Many claim Matthew 25:31-46 Is A Judgement To Enter A Millennium On This Earth?
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Many quotes of the supposed Many claimants.
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LOL - :D
OP's claims IS the topic, without supportive evidence.
 

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Nothing states the sheep/goats is a parable?

Your In Denial Of Presented Truth, Matthew Chapter 25 Represents "All" Parables.

Just as nothing states Matthew 25:1-13 is a parable in the (Ten Virgins)?

Just as nothing states Matthew 25:14-30 is a parable in (The Talents)?

Just as nothing states Matthew 25:31-46 is a parable in the (sheep/goats)?

You don't want to acknowledge the conclusion in Matthew 25:46KJV

(Final Judgement, The End)


(Verse 46) "The Conclusion", The Righteous Enter (Eternal Life) In The "Eternal Kingdom" Presented, The Wicked Enter (Eternal Punishment) In The Lake Of Fire
Luke 2
1 And it happened in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all (pâs) the world should be taxed.

It wasn't the whole world. It was the Roman Empire's world.

Matthew 4
24 And His fame went throughout all (hólos) Syria. And they brought to Him all (pâs) sick people who were pressed down by different kinds of diseases and torments, and those who had been possessed with demons, and those who had been moonstruck, and those paralyzed. And He healed them.

It wasn't every single sick person.

Matthew 3
5 Then Jerusalem and all (pâs) Judea went out to him, and all (pâs) the region round about Jordan.
6 And they were baptized by him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

It wasn't the whole of Judea (as in every single person in Judea and its surrounding region).

Colossians 1
5 for the hope which is laid up for you in Heaven, of which you heard before in the Word of the truth of the gospel,
6 which has come to you as it has also in all (pâs) the world, and it is bearing fruit, even also among you, since the day you heard and fully knew the grace of God in truth.

pâs (Thayer's Dictionary):

QUOTE (Thayer's)

1. a. individually
each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything.

2.collectively
a. some of all types


* ... "the whole world has gone after him" Did all the world go afterChrist?
* "then went all Judea, and were baptized of him in Jordan." Was all Judea, or all Jerusalem, baptized in Jordan?
* "Ye are of God,little children", and the whole world lieth in the wicked one". Does the whole world there mean everybody?

The words "world" and "all" are used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture, and it is very rarely the "all" means all persons, taken individually. The words are generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts-- some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor, and has not restricted His redemption to either Jew or Gentile ...

UNQUOTE Thayer's.

I've often wondered about this word pâs in Revelation 13, because in the days of the "Holy Roman Empire", the Pope would crown the emperors and kings in the empire, who all had to swear allegiance to the Pope. So in the Roman West (not in the Byzantine, Eastern Orthodox East), all nations fell under the religious authority of Pope and (Roman) Catholic Church, but it was not the whole world:

Revelation 13
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all (hólos) the world (gē) wondered after the beast.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all (pâs) families, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all (pâs) that dwell upon the earth (gē) shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The same word translated as "world" in verse three is translated as "earth" in verse 8.

11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth (gē). And he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon.
12 And he exercises all (pâs) the authority of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and those dwelling in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

16 And he causes all (pâs), both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads

So, Matthew 25
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all (pâs) the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all (pâs) nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats:

Is it every single angel who comes with Christ? Is it every single nation being separated?

For one, I'm not going to answer the question in my own head and decide it's this or that. Everyone else seems to have decided, but I'll leave it as a question mark in my mind.
 

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Luke 2
1 And it happened in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all (pâs) the world should be taxed.

It wasn't the whole world. It was the Roman Empire's world.

Matthew 4
24 And His fame went throughout all (hólos) Syria. And they brought to Him all (pâs) sick people who were pressed down by different kinds of diseases and torments, and those who had been possessed with demons, and those who had been moonstruck, and those paralyzed. And He healed them.

It wasn't every single sick person.

Matthew 3
5 Then Jerusalem and all (pâs) Judea went out to him, and all (pâs) the region round about Jordan.
6 And they were baptized by him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

It wasn't the whole of Judea (as in every single person in Judea and its surrounding region).

Colossians 1
5 for the hope which is laid up for you in Heaven, of which you heard before in the Word of the truth of the gospel,
6 which has come to you as it has also in all (pâs) the world, and it is bearing fruit, even also among you, since the day you heard and fully knew the grace of God in truth.

pâs (Thayer's Dictionary):
QUOTE (Thayer's)

1. a. individually
each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything.

2.collectively
a. some of all types


* ... "the whole world has gone after him" Did all the world go afterChrist?
* "then went all Judea, and were baptized of him in Jordan." Was all Judea, or all Jerusalem, baptized in Jordan?
* "Ye are of God,little children", and the whole world lieth in the wicked one". Doesthe whole world there mean everybody?

The words "world" and "all" are used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture, and it is very rarely the "all" means all persons, taken individually. The words are generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts-- some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor, and has not restricted His redemption to either Jew or Gentile ...
UNQUOTE Thayer's.

I've often wondered about this word pâs in Revelation 13, because in the days of the "Holy Roman Empire", the Pope would crown the emperors and kings in the empire, who all had to swear allegiance to the Pope. So in the Roman West (not in the Byzantine, Eastern Orthodox East), all nations fell under the religious authority of Pope and (Roman) Catholic Church, but it was not the whole world:

Revelation 13
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all (hólos) the world (gē) wondered after the beast.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all (pâs) families, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all (pâs) that dwell upon the earth (gē) shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The same word translated as "world" in verse three is translated as "earth" in verse 8.

11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth (gē). And he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon.
12 And he exercises all (pâs) the authority of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and those dwelling in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

16 And he causes all (pâs), both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads

So, Matthew 25
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all (pâs) the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all (pâs) nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats:

Is it every single angel who comes with Christ? Is it every single nation being separated?

For one, I'm not going to answer the question in my own head and decide it's this or that. Everyone else seems to have decided, but I'll leave it as a question mark in my mind.
Matthew 25:31-46 is a parable of the second coming and final judgement, yes Matthew 25:41 is the wicked be judged to the lake of fire, yes Matthew 25:46 ends in eternal life, and eternal punishment (The End)

No this isnt a preliminary judgement to enter a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, it's the "Final Judgement"

Pretty simple, 3rd grade christianity 101
 

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Matthew 25:31-46 is a parable of the second coming and final judgement, yes Matthew 25:41 is the wicked be judged to the lake of fire, yes Matthew 25:46 ends in eternal life, and eternal punishment (The End)

No this isnt a preliminary judgement to enter a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, it's the "Final Judgement"

Pretty simple, 3rd grade christianity 101
:) Do you have to insist on making me laugh when I'm being serious? "3rd grade Christianity"

PS: 3rd grade Christianity spells Christianity with a lower case c.
 

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:) Do you have to insist on making me laugh when I'm being serious? "3rd grade Christianity"

PS: 3rd grade Christianity spells Christianity with a lower case c.
You ask if it's every angel and nation?

It's the final judgement, why do you insist on making me laugh, smiles
 
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It's the final judgement, why do you insist on making me laugh, smiles
The Return of Jesus is not the final Judgment. The Bible is quite clear on this.

Your insistence that it is, puts all of your comments here into question.
I suggest that you cease to make a big issue over it and just allow events to occur in their due time.
 

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Is This My Wife, Be Honest?

Thankfully, I am not. Has your wife left you for so long that you cannot remember if she is a woman or not? LOL. I certainly am not a woman.

That arrogance of your posts tells me that you are stubbornly holding onto to what you believe is right and that you will not consider anyone else's opinion which does not line up with what you are posting.

Even when I was agreeing with the gist of what you were claiming, you berated me for not agreeing with you. It seems that you like to pick a fight with everybody so that you can shout at them to invalidate them for having the courage to present a differing opinion to you.

You will never win anyone over to your POV. How sad it is for you that you drive away people who want to be your friends in Christ.

Shalom
 

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@Keraz,

Truth7t7 is not the only one who is a lost cause who does not understand the contextual message of the scriptures and the prophecies that are contained there in. There are many who claim that they are infallible in their understanding who will not accept that they are indeed only fallible in their understanding, even when it is pointed out to them.

Shalom
 

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The Return of Jesus is not the final Judgment. The Bible is quite clear on this.

Your insistence that it is, puts all of your comments here into question.
I suggest that you cease to make a big issue over it and just allow events to occur in their due time.
I suggest you heed the clear teaching of scripture below

When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom On Earth

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim


(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end,
when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

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@Keraz,

Truth7t7 is not the only one who is a lost cause who does not understand the contextual message of the scriptures and the prophecies that are contained there in. There are many who claim that they are infallible in their understanding who will not accept that they are indeed only fallible in their understanding, even when it is pointed out to them.

Shalom
Jay Ross Post #66 & #77 Truth7t7 Is A (Lost Cause)?

I'm a Spirit filled Christian who loves Jesus Christ, respond to my claims and stop the personal attacks
 

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Nothing states the sheep/goats is a parable?

Your In Denial Of Presented Truth, Matthew Chapter 25 Represents "All" Parables.

Just as nothing states Matthew 25:1-13 is a parable in the (Ten Virgins)?

Just as nothing states Matthew 25:14-30 is a parable in (The Talents)?

Just as nothing states Matthew 25:31-46 is a parable in the (sheep/goats)?

You don't want to acknowledge the conclusion in Matthew 25:46KJV

(Final Judgement, The End)


(Verse 46) "The Conclusion", The Righteous Enter (Eternal Life) In The "Eternal Kingdom" Presented, The Wicked Enter (Eternal Punishment) In The Lake Of Fire
Is the GWT a parable, because you called that throne just a parable? What throne does God sit on in this parable of yours?