Many Say ‘Just Believe’… But What Did Jesus Actually Teach?

[mailmandan]

so water baptism is meaningless?

thks

So, according to your logic, if baptism is not absolutely necessary for salvation, then it's just meaningless?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

About Faith

Faith, as Jesus teaches it, is not something passive. It is not only to believe that He exists, or to say His name. True faith moves, obeys, and produces fruit. Without that, it is empty. Jesus Himself makes this clear. In Gospel of Matthew 7:21 (ASV), He says:
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.” Here, simply calling Him “Lord” is not enough. What matters is doing the will of God. Faith must lead to obedience.
He continues in the same teaching: “Every one therefore that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them, shall be likened unto a wise man…” “And every one that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man…” (Matthew 7:24–26, ASV)

Both hear His words. Both could say they believe. But only one acts. That is the one who stands. This shows that faith without action does not hold. Jesus also teaches that a true life of faith must produce visible fruit. In Gospel of Matthew 7:16–20: “By their fruits ye shall know them… Every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit… Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

Faith is like a tree. If it is real, it will bear fruit. If nothing comes from it, it is not the faith Jesus speaks of.
He gives a strong warning in Gospel of Luke 13:6–9, the parable of the fig tree. A tree that does not bear fruit is in danger of being cut down. This shows that a life without change, even if it seems to have time and chances, cannot remain as it is.
Jesus also speaks directly about keeping His words. In Gospel of John 14:23:
“If a man love me, he will keep my word.”
Love and faith go together, and both lead to obedience. Not by force, but from the heart. And again He says:
“Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46, ASV)
This question goes straight to the point. Calling Him Lord, believing in Him, is not enough if a person does not follow what He says.
Jesus also connects eternal life with action. In Gospel of Matthew 19:16–17, when asked about life, He answers:
“If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.”
This shows that faith does not replace obedience, It leads into it.
So when we gather all His words, the message is simple. Faith is the beginning, but it is not meant to stay alone. True faith listens, follows, obeys, and produces fruit. It is alive and active.
A faith that does not change the heart, that does not lead to obedience, is not the faith Jesus taught.

About Repentance

Jesus speaks very plainly about what He expects. He calls people to repent, to turn away from sin, and to receive a new heart that brings a new way of living. First we need to understand what sin is. Jesus shows that sin is not only outward actions, but also what comes from inside a person. He said: “In Gospel of Mark 7:20–23 (ASV), ‘That which proceedeth out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, evil thoughts proceed, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries… all these evil things proceed from within, and defile the man.’”

So sin is anything that comes from a heart that is not aligned with God. It includes actions, but also thoughts, desires, and intentions.
Jesus also deepens the meaning of sin in Gospel of Matthew 5. He teaches that sin is not only the act, but the root behind it:
“You have heard… ‘Thou shalt not kill’… but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment.” (Matthew 5:21–22, ASV) “You have heard… ‘Thou shalt not commit adultery’: but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” (Matthew 5:27–28, ASV)
Here we see that sin begins in the heart. This is why repentance must also begin there.
Jesus calls all people to repent. At the start of His ministry, it is written in Gospel of Matthew 4:17: “Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” To repent means more than feeling sorry. It means to turn around, to leave the old way, and to walk in a new one. Jesus makes this very clear when He warns: “I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner perish.” (Luke 13:3, ASV) But Jesus does not only ask people to stop doing wrong. He calls for a true change inside. A new heart that produces good fruit.
In Gospel of Luke 6:43–45 He says:
“For there is no good tree that bringeth forth corrupt fruit… For each tree is known by its own fruit… The good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good.”

This means the change must be real and inward. A changed heart will naturally bring a changed life.
Jesus also shows this in how He dealt with sinners. When He forgave the woman caught in sin, He told her:
“Go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.” (John 8:11, ASV)
He offers mercy, but He also calls for a new life.
And again, when He healed a man, He said: “Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing befall thee.” (John 5:14, ASV)

So the message is simple and clear. Sin comes from the heart and includes both what we do and what we desire. Repentance means turning away from that sin, not only outwardly but inwardly. And the change Jesus asks for is a true change of heart, one that leads to a new way of living.
In the end, Jesus shows that this is not optional. Those who truly follow Him are those who hear His words and do them. As He said in Gospel of Matthew 7:24:
“Every one therefore that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them, shall be likened unto a wise man, who built his house upon the rock.”

What about the commandments Jesus spoke about?

The commandments are not separate from what Jesus taught about repentance and a changed heart. They are part of it. They show us what sin is, and they show us what a right life looks like. When Jesus spoke about sin, He often pointed back to the commandments, but He went deeper than just the surface. In Gospel of Matthew 5, He takes the commandments and shows their true meaning. Not killing is a commandment, but Jesus shows that anger in the heart is already part of that sin. Not committing adultery is a commandment, but He shows that lust in the heart breaks it already. This means the commandments are not only about actions, but about the heart.

When a man asked Him how to have eternal life, Jesus answered by pointing directly to the commandments:
“You know the commandments… Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.” (from Gospel of Mark 10:19, ASV)
This shows that the commandments still stand as the way of righteousness. But Jesus does not stop there. He then calls the man to follow Him fully, showing that obedience must come from the heart, not just outward behavior.
Jesus also sums up the commandments in a simple way in Gospel of Matthew 22:37–40: “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart… and your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hangs all the law and the prophets.”
So the commandments are fulfilled through love. But this is not just words. Real love leads to real obedience.
This is where repentance fits in. To repent means to turn away from breaking these commandments, and to begin to live according to them, from the heart. It is not just stopping sin, but starting to walk in what is right.
Jesus makes this very clear when He says:
“Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father.” (Matthew 7:21, ASV)
And again: “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15, ASV,)
So the commandments show what sin is, repentance is turning away from breaking them, and a changed heart is what allows a person to truly keep them.

The commandments are like a mirror that shows what is wrong. Repentance is turning away from that wrong. And the new heart that Jesus speaks about, transformed by the Holy Spirit whom He gives to His believers, is what makes a person able to live in what is right. Faith is not just belief; it is active and obeys the words of Christ.

Continued on post #73

Sorry love Yeshua, but faith alone is enough. what you fail to understand is what jesus said:

John 3:16

King James Version

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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:36

King James Version

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36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

See it is this. Faith does not produce obedience and godly works. Faith produces a new life that is being transformed in to the very likeness of Jesus and it is this transformation that produces the works that please god.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

About Faith

Faith, as Jesus teaches it, is not something passive. It is not only to believe that He exists, or to say His name. True faith moves, obeys, and produces fruit. Without that, it is empty. Jesus Himself makes this clear. In Gospel of Matthew 7:21 (ASV), He says:
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.” Here, simply calling Him “Lord” is not enough. What matters is doing the will of God. Faith must lead to obedience.
He continues in the same teaching: “Every one therefore that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them, shall be likened unto a wise man…” “And every one that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man…” (Matthew 7:24–26, ASV)

Both hear His words. Both could say they believe. But only one acts. That is the one who stands. This shows that faith without action does not hold. Jesus also teaches that a true life of faith must produce visible fruit. In Gospel of Matthew 7:16–20: “By their fruits ye shall know them… Every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit… Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

Faith is like a tree. If it is real, it will bear fruit. If nothing comes from it, it is not the faith Jesus speaks of.
He gives a strong warning in Gospel of Luke 13:6–9, the parable of the fig tree. A tree that does not bear fruit is in danger of being cut down. This shows that a life without change, even if it seems to have time and chances, cannot remain as it is.
Jesus also speaks directly about keeping His words. In Gospel of John 14:23:
“If a man love me, he will keep my word.”
Love and faith go together, and both lead to obedience. Not by force, but from the heart. And again He says:
“Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46, ASV)
This question goes straight to the point. Calling Him Lord, believing in Him, is not enough if a person does not follow what He says.
Jesus also connects eternal life with action. In Gospel of Matthew 19:16–17, when asked about life, He answers:
“If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.”
This shows that faith does not replace obedience, It leads into it.
So when we gather all His words, the message is simple. Faith is the beginning, but it is not meant to stay alone. True faith listens, follows, obeys, and produces fruit. It is alive and active.
A faith that does not change the heart, that does not lead to obedience, is not the faith Jesus taught.

About Repentance

Jesus speaks very plainly about what He expects. He calls people to repent, to turn away from sin, and to receive a new heart that brings a new way of living. First we need to understand what sin is. Jesus shows that sin is not only outward actions, but also what comes from inside a person. He said: “In Gospel of Mark 7:20–23 (ASV), ‘That which proceedeth out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, evil thoughts proceed, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries… all these evil things proceed from within, and defile the man.’”

So sin is anything that comes from a heart that is not aligned with God. It includes actions, but also thoughts, desires, and intentions.
Jesus also deepens the meaning of sin in Gospel of Matthew 5. He teaches that sin is not only the act, but the root behind it:
“You have heard… ‘Thou shalt not kill’… but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment.” (Matthew 5:21–22, ASV) “You have heard… ‘Thou shalt not commit adultery’: but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” (Matthew 5:27–28, ASV)
Here we see that sin begins in the heart. This is why repentance must also begin there.
Jesus calls all people to repent. At the start of His ministry, it is written in Gospel of Matthew 4:17: “Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” To repent means more than feeling sorry. It means to turn around, to leave the old way, and to walk in a new one. Jesus makes this very clear when He warns: “I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner perish.” (Luke 13:3, ASV) But Jesus does not only ask people to stop doing wrong. He calls for a true change inside. A new heart that produces good fruit.
In Gospel of Luke 6:43–45 He says:
“For there is no good tree that bringeth forth corrupt fruit… For each tree is known by its own fruit… The good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good.”

This means the change must be real and inward. A changed heart will naturally bring a changed life.
Jesus also shows this in how He dealt with sinners. When He forgave the woman caught in sin, He told her:
“Go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.” (John 8:11, ASV)
He offers mercy, but He also calls for a new life.
And again, when He healed a man, He said: “Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing befall thee.” (John 5:14, ASV)

So the message is simple and clear. Sin comes from the heart and includes both what we do and what we desire. Repentance means turning away from that sin, not only outwardly but inwardly. And the change Jesus asks for is a true change of heart, one that leads to a new way of living.
In the end, Jesus shows that this is not optional. Those who truly follow Him are those who hear His words and do them. As He said in Gospel of Matthew 7:24:
“Every one therefore that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them, shall be likened unto a wise man, who built his house upon the rock.”

What about the commandments Jesus spoke about?

The commandments are not separate from what Jesus taught about repentance and a changed heart. They are part of it. They show us what sin is, and they show us what a right life looks like. When Jesus spoke about sin, He often pointed back to the commandments, but He went deeper than just the surface. In Gospel of Matthew 5, He takes the commandments and shows their true meaning. Not killing is a commandment, but Jesus shows that anger in the heart is already part of that sin. Not committing adultery is a commandment, but He shows that lust in the heart breaks it already. This means the commandments are not only about actions, but about the heart.

When a man asked Him how to have eternal life, Jesus answered by pointing directly to the commandments:
“You know the commandments… Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.” (from Gospel of Mark 10:19, ASV)
This shows that the commandments still stand as the way of righteousness. But Jesus does not stop there. He then calls the man to follow Him fully, showing that obedience must come from the heart, not just outward behavior.
Jesus also sums up the commandments in a simple way in Gospel of Matthew 22:37–40: “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart… and your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hangs all the law and the prophets.”
So the commandments are fulfilled through love. But this is not just words. Real love leads to real obedience.
This is where repentance fits in. To repent means to turn away from breaking these commandments, and to begin to live according to them, from the heart. It is not just stopping sin, but starting to walk in what is right.
Jesus makes this very clear when He says:
“Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father.” (Matthew 7:21, ASV)
And again: “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15, ASV,)
So the commandments show what sin is, repentance is turning away from breaking them, and a changed heart is what allows a person to truly keep them.

The commandments are like a mirror that shows what is wrong. Repentance is turning away from that wrong. And the new heart that Jesus speaks about, transformed by the Holy Spirit whom He gives to His believers, is what makes a person able to live in what is right. Faith is not just belief; it is active and obeys the words of Christ.

Continued on post #73

Hello LoveYeshua, how are you all? We are well, , Love, Walter

 

[Behold]

You're calling people heretics and cursed for suggesting that salvation involves more than a one-time moment of belief. But let's look at who's actually saying that.

Actually, im pointing out that Heretics, as Paul taught this word, applies to both the unsaved and the Christian.

And regarding the Christian, ..... The "Heretic", is going to teach........>"ok, we know that Jesus is our Savior, but now, let me show you all these OT verses, and a few NT verses that speak about keeping commandments = so that you lose your faith in Christ and start trying to keep yourself saved based on these verses that i dont understand that talk about keeping commandments and law"""".

So, do you see yourself? @LoveYeshua ?
As This is how a HERETIC sounds...........

Listen, now... This is how they (the heretic) SOUNDS on a "christian" forum.

Heretic : = "Yes, i know that Jesus saves...., but lets all remember that if we believe that all our sins are forgiven then that is taking it too far, as that leans into OSAS..

HERETIC : = and We Know that Jesus doesn't Keep us saved as that is why we have to confess sins and do all this STUFF to keep ourselves saved...

HERETIC : = and now.... let me show you these other verses that talk about commandments and law and self effort, ..

Heretic : and could you just Put that Cross down, as im tried of hearing about it, as it gets in the way of my OSAS deception, and my Moses Law and Commandment keeping OBSESSION...""""""

Now READER...........do you See that one?
That one is trying to add Moses's Law and commandment keeping and self effort, as if The Cross of Christ is not ALL of Salvation completed 2000 yrs ago by Jesus shed BLOOD and DEATH.

See, the Heretic does not really trust in Christ, they pretend they do..... and that is why they try to SELL YOU, commandment keeping and Moses Law, and self effort, as if this is a Part of the Blood Atonement/New Covenant (Salvation).

See you there next time @LoveYeshua

 

[Marvelloustime]

very strait is the gate , and narrow is the way .
We know not where you go so how can we know the way .
I AM THE WAY , The TRUTH and THE LIFE and no man cometh to the FATHER , but by ME .
the problem is many follow a BROAD path jesus at best . one that wont correct sin , one that e ven accepts sin
and calls evil good and good evil . a jesus that calls the words of GOD hate speech .
That ecmeincal harlot is gonna pay for her rebellious false love snare she set upon this entire world and much of christendom .
AND as with the whore so too with all her jo ined hands with her and sat under her all inclusive love
and peace plan of an anti christ .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Therfore knowing the terror of GOD we persaude men . any guesses on what paul meant by persaude men .
TO BELEIVE ON JESUS . the lambs aint gonna be beaten with s tripes
IN this life we will be chastened . Sure for our own good too .
But all will appear before the JUDGMENT seat of CHRIST . both goats and sheep .
ONLY sheep gonna be singing glory hallelujah to the ONE who saved them .
The goats , the only singing from them will be a choir of weeping . JESUS IS NOT going to BE DENIED .
As i am sure YOU KNOW that well sister .
And any mercy , any grace , any love , any acts of kindness
THAT allowed Or t aught UNBELEIF , IT CAME OF SATAN not GOD . it came of anti christ not CHRIST .
THE MERCY OF GOD would NEVER ONCE have made the road broad and included UNBELIEF .
T he grace of GOD had never done that . But a harlot sure will .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

Actually, im pointing out that Heretics, as Paul taught this word, applies to both the unsaved and the Christian.

And regarding the Christian, ..... The "Heretic", is going to teach........>"ok, we know that Jesus is our Savior, but now, let me show you all these OT verses, and a few NT verses that speak about keeping commandments = so that you lose your faith in Christ and start trying to keep yourself saved based on these verses that i dont understand that talk about keeping commandments and law"""".

So, do you see yourself? @LoveYeshua ?
As This is how a HERETIC sounds...........

Listen, now... This is how they (the heretic) SOUNDS on a "christian" forum.

Heretic : = "Yes, i know that Jesus saves...., but lets all remember that if we believe that all our sins are forgiven then that is taking it too far, as that leans into OSAS..

HERETIC : = and We Know that Jesus doesn't Keep us saved as that is why we have to confess sins and do all this STUFF to keep ourselves saved...

HERETIC : = and now.... let me show you these other verses that talk about commandments and law and self effort, ..

Heretic : and could you just Put that Cross down, as im tried of hearing about it, as it gets in the way of my OSAS deception, and my Moses Law and Commandment keeping OBSESSION...""""""

Now READER...........do you See that one?
That one is trying to add Moses's Law and commandment keeping and self effort, as if The Cross of Christ is not ALL of Salvation completed 2000 yrs ago by Jesus shed BLOOD and DEATH.

See, the Heretic does not really trust in Christ, they pretend they do..... and that is why they try to SELL YOU, commandment keeping and Moses Law, and self effort, as if this is a Part of the Blood Atonement/New Covenant (Salvation).

See you there next time @LoveYeshua

you forgot a serious serious serious heretic .
You got many hereitics in even christanity
that now beleive and now say , HEY ALL RELIGOINS serve the same GOD we christains do .
HELLO , THAT BE ANTI CHRIST HERESAY . right there , ANTI CHRIST HERESAY .
SO tell me why are so many in love with and sitting in ecumiencal churches that lead them right to intefaith .
BE SURE NOT FORGET THIS NEXT TIME .

 

[amigo de christo]

Many do say JUST BELEIVE . and true it would have been
HAD they Actaully BELEIVED HIM , HIS WORDS , and all , as in ALL his teachings and reminders .
but if one cometh and says JUST BELEIVE and yet the jesus they so beleive in
CONTRADICTS The teachings of JESUS and yes even of the apostles , GUESS WHAT
THEY BELIEVE MEN , NOT GOD , NOT CHRIST . men who presented only another jesus to them . ps that one cannot save them either .
its all about allowing sins and un belief upon them . THAT AINT JESUS folks . that aint JESUS by a long shot .

 

[faithhopecharity]

You still just don't understand and you certainly don't understand what believers/Christians mean by faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone (for salvation - Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9 etc..).

I don't accept the five sola's

they can't be shoehorned into scripture

scripture contradicts all of them

Christ alone?

please explain

1 tim 2:1
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

James 5:16
The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

There is only one baptism that saves and places us into the body of Christ and that is Spirit baptism, not water baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 - ..one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. *Also see John 4:10,14; 7:37-39 for the word drink(s) and see the connection with the Holy Spirit.

there is only water baptism

Jn 3:5 water and the spirit

I have shown that water baptism makes us members of Christ and His church. (body)

the only person I know of in scripture that actually received spirit baptism with sanctification is John Lk 1:15

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

spirit or spiritual baptism was an invention of the dualists who believed in two gods one of the spirit was good and one of matter was evil!

albigensian's or cathars

thks

The reformers never taught "salvation" by faith alone!

They taught justification by faith alone!

Luther said the Eucharist was required for salvation with all the articles of faith

the radical fundamentalist preachers taught salvation by faith alone or that justification is the same as eternal salvation!

all by the spirit baptism or or born again experience

with the idea that no behavior positive or negative can have any effect on our eternal salvation!

 

[faithhopecharity]

Galatians 5:16-17 point out a spiritual war between the Spirit and the flesh. These are in direct opposition which creates internal conflict within believers. By walking in the Spirit we are not gratifying the desires of the flesh.

Children of God practice righteousness and not sin ( 1 John 3:9-10) and practicing righteousness is 'descriptive' of children of God (1 John 3:7) while practicing sin is 'descriptive' of children of the devil. (1 John 1:8)

Notice that in Galatians 5::21, the apostle Paul says those who do such things/practice such things (sins) shall not inherit the kingdom of God. In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, the apostle Paul gives a similar list of sins and said the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God. The unrighteous are not children of God.

Romans 8:8 - So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

the practice of righteousness requires the deeds of the spirit!

is prayer works? mt 7:7 & 26:41

thks

Jesus not a doctrine!

Jesus teaches doctrine: implying "faith" mt 17:5

Jesus is the sacrifice, the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world: implying "hope" Jn 1:29

Jesus is our salvation requiring union: implying "charity" Lk 2:30

not faith alone!

 

[faithhopecharity]

Nothing here about suffering for his sake in order to obtain salvation.

In regard to Acts 10:34-35, working righteousness is the result of having been saved through faith. We are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done (Titus 3:5) but works of righteousness in connection with salvation are the fruit of, not the means of obtaining salvation. God accepts those who fear Him and work righteousness from a right principle, and to a right end, yet their fear of Him and working righteousness are not the origin of their acceptance; but are to be considered as descriptive of the persons, who are accepted by Him in Christ.

We must not confuse "descriptive" passages of scripture (Acts 10:35) with "prescriptive" passages of scripture (Acts 10:43). We are to rightly dividing the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15) The question here is whether God's favor is made available to Jews only or is now available to Gentiles also (those in every nation who fear Him and work righteousness/does what is right) which Peter learned in his vision in Acts 10.

exactly what is "His sake"?

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Nothing here about suffering for his sake in order to obtain salvation.

In regard to Acts 10:34-35, working righteousness is the result of having been saved through faith. We are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done (Titus 3:5) but works of righteousness in connection with salvation are the fruit of, not the means of obtaining salvation. God accepts those who fear Him and work righteousness from a right principle, and to a right end, yet their fear of Him and working righteousness are not the origin of their acceptance; but are to be considered as descriptive of the persons, who are accepted by Him in Christ.

We must not confuse "descriptive" passages of scripture (Acts 10:35) with "prescriptive" passages of scripture (Acts 10:43). We are to rightly dividing the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15) The question here is whether God's favor is made available to Jews only or is now available to Gentiles also (those in every nation who fear Him and work righteousness/does what is right) which Peter learned in his vision in Acts 10.

we are not to rightly divide scripture that refers to the office of a bishop

we are to be instructed

Where does scripture say we have authority to read the bible for ourselves and decide doctrine on our own?


Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed, as commanded by Christ! Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:1-8

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)

Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17-18
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
1 tim 3:15
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

Our Holy Religion "truth & the church" are revealed by God and have a divine origin and cannot be reformed, they are immutable!

 

[faithhopecharity]

Nothing here about suffering for his sake in order to obtain salvation.

In regard to Acts 10:34-35, working righteousness is the result of having been saved through faith. We are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done (Titus 3:5) but works of righteousness in connection with salvation are the fruit of, not the means of obtaining salvation. God accepts those who fear Him and work righteousness from a right principle, and to a right end, yet their fear of Him and working righteousness are not the origin of their acceptance; but are to be considered as descriptive of the persons, who are accepted by Him in Christ.

We must not confuse "descriptive" passages of scripture (Acts 10:35) with "prescriptive" passages of scripture (Acts 10:43). We are to rightly dividing the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15) The question here is whether God's favor is made available to Jews only or is now available to Gentiles also (those in every nation who fear Him and work righteousness/does what is right) which Peter learned in his vision in Acts 10.

shoehorn master too!

acts 10:35 those who perform works of righteousness are accepted

this refers to sanctification and perseverance after we received the free gift of justification but required for salvation

it does not say those who believe with faith alone and do not perform the works of righteousness are accepted or saved

Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

mt 7:14 narrow road leads to life

 

[faithhopecharity]

Nothing here about suffering for his sake in order to obtain salvation.

In regard to Acts 10:34-35, working righteousness is the result of having been saved through faith. We are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done (Titus 3:5) but works of righteousness in connection with salvation are the fruit of, not the means of obtaining salvation. God accepts those who fear Him and work righteousness from a right principle, and to a right end, yet their fear of Him and working righteousness are not the origin of their acceptance; but are to be considered as descriptive of the persons, who are accepted by Him in Christ.

We must not confuse "descriptive" passages of scripture (Acts 10:35) with "prescriptive" passages of scripture (Acts 10:43). We are to rightly dividing the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15) The question here is whether God's favor is made available to Jews only or is now available to Gentiles also (those in every nation who fear Him and work righteousness/does what is right) which Peter learned in his vision in Acts 10.

acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

how can you say you believe in Him if you reject mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved!

Jn 19: 34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

There is only one baptism that saves and places us into the body of Christ and that is Spirit baptism, not water baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 - ..one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. *Also see John 4:10,14; 7:37-39 for the word drink(s) and see the connection with the Holy Spirit.

see baptism is required!
acts 10:35

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

thks

 

[amigo de christo]

see baptism is required!
acts 10:35

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

thks

if the early church did it we do it . that ends the debate or at least it should have ended it .
There is a song that goes WHEN WE ALL GET TO HEAVEN
but sadly for many on the DAY of THE LORD they gonna realize too little too late
We followed the wrong jesus and that one cant save us now . and into perdition they will go .
My advice is , BIBLE TIME .

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't accept the five sola's

they can't be shoehorned into scripture

scripture contradicts all of them

Christ alone?

please explain

1 tim 2:1
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

James 5:16
The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

thks

look , dont no man follow calvin .
OR for that matter most of even these leaders today .
I suggest bible time for every man and woman and child and now too .

 

[amigo de christo]

So, according to your logic, if baptism is not absolutely necessary for salvation, then it's just meaningless?

to the trenches one and all . I repeat to the trenches one and all . Into those bibles now for to learn again
for yourselves what many have twisted and sold as doctrine .
And if anyone here is in any way attached to anything or anyone of that ecumeincal int erfaith camp .
Get them outta there . They do nothing but lead this people to that which is of anti christ .
Used to the church actually knew that one was coming and by peace would destroy many .
THey used to call him anti christ . And yet today have no idea their ecumeincal intefaith leads them RIGHT TO IT .
they actually think this peace plan is OF GOD . talk about a delusion .
NO PEACE PLAN OF GOD DENIES THE DIRE NEED TO HAVE TO BELIEVE ON JESUS
HIS PEACE PLAN was and still IS , BELEIVE YE ON JESUS and YE shall have PEACE with GOD .
BUT as far as anti christ , that is not his peace plan . IN fact
his peace plan will darn sure make it seem likes it NOT necessary to BELIEVE ON HIM .
JUST LIKE ECUMEINCAL INTERFAITH HAS BODLY STATED . oh yeah , ITS of many anti christs all right .
Get them out dan . Get them all out of there .