Many Say ‘Just BELIEVE’… But What Did JESUS Actually TEACH?

[Grailhunter]

Wasn't it Paul who wrote that believers are dead to the Law, that they might be married to Christ..? He only observed the Law insofar as it was expedient so as to not scandalize and offend the Jews unnecessarily, in order to try and win them to Christ. No one could understand about being dead to the Law until after they received Christ (if they would).

Well he did not mince words much.....But if the ministry of death, engraved in letters on stones, .....You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. The Jews..... God love 'em. I grew up with them in University City and Clayton, Missouri and had many friends that were Jewish.....But God raised them to be violent and they were stubborn and hardheaded.

Yeshua offered salvation to the Jews first.......which was only right. But most of them rejected it. Then it came to the call for the crucifixion of the Son of God. Crucify Him! Crucify Him! Let His blood be on us and our children!!!!
If you look at the history of the Jews from then on this call cursed them for hundreds of years. The Christians came to call them "The killers of Christ" and some Christians still hate them today. Their Temple was destroyed and they were treated like witches during the witch-hunts and shunned and expelled from Christian countries.

It wasn't until the United States befriended them in 1967 and supported them during the Six Day War that they regained the promise land back. Back during "Desert Storm" I helped install the Patriot Missile System in Isreal, so I can say I have stood between Isreal and her enemies. And now President Trump defends them again.

I love Isreal and the Jews, and the Apostle Paul loved them too. Of course, Paul was Jewish and understood they were hardheaded and set in their ways. And he was sympathetic for them but held the line against observing the Mosaic Law.

This is what makes the big difference between the Jewish-Christians and the Gentile-Christians. Yeshua taught the Apostles that the Mosaic Law would continue and if it would not change and anyone that changed it would be least in Heaven. So the Jewish-Christians followed the Mosaic Law and worshipped and sacrificed in the Temple.....because the Mosaic Law called for it. And any Gentiles they converted had to be circumcised first and learn and follow the Law.

Of course when Yeshua converted Paul on the road to Damascus, He apparently explained to Paul that none of this was necessary. Paul went to the Temple and Synagogues to worship and to convert the Jews and Jewish-Christians to his ministry. But as we know the Jews and Jewish-Christian opposed and harassed Paul and his ministry. Which was mostly settled at the meeting in Jerusalem in Acts 15 with James and James issued a letter to stop the harassment.

And I think.....that this is the reason that the Jewish-Christian sect died out around the 1st century and the Gentile-Christians continued at the helm of the Church. But it was a bumpy road, when the Roman Catholic took over things went downhill from there......corruption.....false doctrines.....violence and the inquisitions etc, until the Protestant reform made corrections and required church Wedding Ceremonies to be married and put Bibles in the hands of the People. .....But then the Protestants fractured the church into tens of thousands of denominations.
So the story continues.

 

[Behold]

Many do not understand Paul, you are one of them,

Paul was chosen AFTER Jesus finished His minitry to the JEWS.
This is why Paul is the "Apostile to the gentiles".
Are you a gentile?

So, Paul's Gospel is unique, because its given in the "time of the gentiles" before the Trib starts.
And Paul's Gospel, is "the Gospel of the GRACE of GOD".........that is the "preaching of the CROSS".
Paul was also given all the Church Doctrine to give to the body of Christ.

 

[Lizbeth]

Well he did not mince words much.....But if the ministry of death, engraved in letters on stones, .....You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. The Jews..... God love 'em. I grew up with them in University City and Clayton, Missouri and had many friends that were Jewish.....But God raised them to be violent and they were stubborn and hardheaded.

Yeshua offered salvation to the Jews first.......which was only right. But most of them rejected it. Then it came to the call for the crucifixion of the Son of God. Crucify Him! Crucify Him! Let His blood be on us and our children!!!!
If you look at the history of the Jews from then on this call cursed them for hundreds of years. The Christians came to call them "The killers of Christ" and some Christians still hate them today. Their Temple was destroyed and they were treated like witches during the witch-hunts and shunned and expelled from Christian countries.

It wasn't until the United States befriended them in 1967 and supported them during the Six Day War that they regained the promise land back. Back during "Desert Storm" I helped install the Patriot Missile System in Isreal, so I can say I have stood between Isreal and her enemies. And now President Trump defends them again.

I love Isreal and the Jews, and the Apostle Paul loved them too. Of course, Paul was Jewish and understood they were hardheaded and set in their ways. And he was sympathetic for them but held the line against observing the Mosaic Law.

This is what makes the big difference between the Jewish-Christians and the Gentile-Christians. Yeshua taught the Apostles that the Mosaic Law would continue and if it would not change and anyone that changed it would be least in Heaven. So the Jewish-Christians followed the Mosaic Law and worshipped and sacrificed in the Temple.....because the Mosaic Law called for it. And any Gentiles they converted had to be circumcised first and learn and follow the Law.

Of course when Yeshua converted Paul on the road to Damascus, He apparently explained to Paul that none of this was necessary. Paul went to the Temple and Synagogues to worship and to convert the Jews and Jewish-Christians to his ministry. But as we know the Jews and Jewish-Christian opposed and harassed Paul and his ministry. Which was mostly settled at the meeting in Jerusalem in Acts 15 with James and James issued a letter to stop the harassment.

And I think.....that this is the reason that the Jewish-Christian sect died out around the 1st century and the Gentile-Christians continued at the helm of the Church. But it was a bumpy road, when the Roman Catholic took over things went downhill from there......corruption.....false doctrines.....violence and the inquisitions etc, until the Protestant reform made corrections and required church Wedding Ceremonies to be married and put Bibles in the hands of the People. .....But then the Protestants fractured the church into tens of thousands of denominations.
So the story continues.

Thank you for your response. I think we need to keep in mind that the bible says the ordinances of the Law were abolished and blotted out at the cross.......and though the moral/ethical lessons in the Law remain valid as a standard of righteousness (and even the ordinances are valid as allegories and spiritual lessons) nobody who is a believer is under the Law. When Jesus said not one jot/tittle would pass from the Law until all was fulfilled.......this was before the cross, and also before the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple which put an end to the sacrificial system.

 

[Grailhunter]

Thank you for your response. I think we need to keep in mind that the bible says the ordinances of the Law were abolished and blotted out at the cross

I agree they were, but I do not think you find a scripture that says that exactly. A lot happened when Yeshua passed on the cross. More than the twelve realized.

and though the moral/ethical lessons in the Law remain valid as a standard of righteousness (and even the ordinances are valid as allegories and spiritual lessons) nobody who is a believer is under the Law. When Jesus said not one jot/tittle would pass from the Law until all was fulfilled.......this was before the cross, and also before the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple which put an end to the sacrificial system.

You need to look at the ordinances of the Mosaic Law......most do not apply to us. And the Law has not passed or changed....it still applies to the Jews. And you will not find a scripture that the destruction of the temple put an end to the sacrificial system. What you are saying applies to Christians and it is true. But the twelve and Jewish-Christians still observed the Law.
Paul changed all that. The Gentile-Christians did not observe the Law or sacrifice in the Temple, for one thing they were not allowed in the Temple. Paul understood that Yeshua was the sacrifice that ended the need for all sacrifices. The morals expressed in the New Testament apply to Christians. Some of those morals were also expressed in the Mosaic Laws and it would make sense that they carried over to Christianity.

 

[Lizbeth]

I agree they were, but I do not think you find a scripture that says that exactly. A lot happened when Yeshua passed on the cross. More than the twelve realized.



You need to look at the ordinances of the Mosaic Law......most do not apply to us. And the Law has not passed or changed....it still applies to the Jews. And you will not find a scripture that the destruction of the temple put an end to the sacrificial system. What you are saying applies to Christians and it is true. But the twelve and Jewish-Christians still observed the Law.
Paul changed all that. The Gentile-Christians did not observe the Law or sacrifice in the Temple, for one thing they were not allowed in the Temple. Paul understood that Yeshua was the sacrifice that ended the need for all sacrifices. The morals expressed in the New Testament apply to Christians. Some of those morals were also expressed in the Mosaic Laws and it would make sense that they carried over to Christianity.

Have a look at these:

Eph 2:15

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Col 2:14

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Col 2:20

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

Heb 7:11-14

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.