Mark 16:16 Isn’t Teaching That You Must Be Water Baptized to Go to Heaven

[amigo de christo]

Then what did he say about baptism?

TO DO IT . and that alone would be reason TO DO SO . that alone would be reason to DO SO .
even though we can learn more on the why in scripture .
IF JESUS said do , then DO . its just that simple .

 

[Godslittleservant]

Did you ever consider that it is the time and place God actually did what it says is only symbolic Could God truly be doing his transforming work of changing us from dead in sin to alive in Christ after that is what Paul said is happening in the baptism of Christ name when he explained it in Romans 6:3-6

Okay sorry if it seems that was directed at you it was a general statement that a lot of people does not understand the teaching on baptism it has more meaning than lets do it because it was asked it also tells what is accomplished and why it is needed.

 

[Godslittleservant]

TO DO IT . and that alone would be reason TO DO SO . that alone would be reason to DO SO .
even though we can learn more on the why in scripture .
IF JESUS said do , then DO . its just that simple .

Not really baptism is a faith response you should know why you are being baptized without the faith behind it it is nothing you are just getting wet.

 

[amigo de christo]

Then what did he say about baptism?

Take the peoples to the book of acts . In a time many moons ago
there lived a man named cornelious .
The man was told to send for peter and to hear words .
SO he sent for peter to hear them words .
As peter spoke the words of the glorious gospel of truth the LORD
opened their hearing to recieve it . For peter heard them even speaking with tongues .
AND YET STILL PETER said , is there not water here that these can be baptized .
YOU SEE IF JESUS said to do , THEY DID . and thus WE SHOULD TOO . its just that simple .

 

[amigo de christo]

Not really baptism ids a faith response you should know why you are being baptized without the faith behind it it is nothing you are just getting wet.

Well amen my friend . SO allow me some parting words to CONFIRM what you just said
so that EVERYONE else will read them as well .
Let us go again to the book of acts .
Many moons ago there lived a man named phillip . Who was one of the seven who had also waited tables .
HE was traveling through the desert . A man , a eunach was returning from his trip to JERSUALEM .
HE had went up to jerusalem to worship and was now on his way back .
The SPIRIT Told phillip to go to that man . the eunach was having a hard time grasping the fifty third chapter of ISSIAH
so peter gladly expounded JESUS CHRIST TO HIM .
NOW HERE IT COMES and the RCC and many others BETTER TAKE HEED TO THIS .
THEY SEEN WATER . now notice the eunach said LOOK , LOOK here is some water
what does HINDER me from being baptized . And what did phillip said THIS
IF , IF , IF , IF , IF , IF , IF
YOU BELIEVE , yeah BELIEVE with all thine heart you may be . AND THE EUNACH SAID I BELIEVE
AND THEN he was baptized . YEP . YOUR RIGHT MY FRIEND . the water is but a ritiual that meaneth NADA
IF ONE believeth not . And babies dont know squat , barely able to even hold onto a teet .
YEAH . YOUR RIGHT MY FRIEND . You are .

 

[Berserk]

Mark 16:17 is part of 16:9-21, which is a bogus later addition to Mark written by Aristo of Pella and therefore should not be invoked in this discussion. But let me play devil's advocate. This is how believers in baptismal regeneration would make their case.
First, they would quote Peter's 2 baptismal references;

"Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ IN ORDER THAT your sins may be forgiven (Acts 2:38)."
The grammar implies 2 conditions to receive divine forgiveness: repentance and baptism. Proponents of baptismal regeneration insist that other texts teaching salvation by grace through faith just take for granted that the new believer will meet God's conditions for salvation, including baptism. But Peter never explicitly teaches that baptism saves you, does he? Oh yes, he apparently does:

"Baptism... now saves you--not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as a pledge to God of a good conscience (2 Peter 3:21)."

Peter is merely repeating Jesus' teaching that to be born again one must be baptized in water and receive the Holy Spirit:

"Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit (John 3:5)."

The phrase "born of water" refers neither to amniotic fluid nor the Holy Spirit. Jesus refers to the Spirit as "living water," but never just as "water."

 

[MatthewG]

Its a joy to just read the bible. Its amazing how much people will argue about baptism, look at what John was looking forward to; being baptised by the Lord.

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[mailmandan]

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.

The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Godslittleservant]

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.

The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I am sorry but that is faulty reasoning seek away around what Jesus did say
Jesus said that to be saved you have to believe and be baptized but if you do not believe in him then nothing matters not baptized in his name for why would you if you did not believe in him see he need not say anything but if you do not believe then it matters not what else you do
Jesus did not mention all he expects from us in one verse salvation is not found in a single verse but take all the verses cumulatively to get the full plan

He said you must believe but he did add repent to that one verse we find it in his worg he said you must confess that Jesus is Lord but not in a single verse with believe and repent he also said you must be baptized in his name but not in one single verse was this listed he said study to show thyself approves study all his word not just hang your hat on a single verse but to search the scriptures for there in lie the truth of his word the words that give life.

He told you that he that believes AND is baptized will be saved do you really want to question his word or just abide in it He say his words are truth and life do you think he can not make himself clear. Remember if you do not believe you are lost already and nothing else in his word matters.

 

[mailmandan]

I am sorry but that is faulty reasoning seek away around what Jesus did say

Jesus clarified the first clause with ..but he who does not believe will be condemned. What I shared with you is not faulty reasoning. We need to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching our conclusion on doctrine.

Jesus said that to be saved you have to believe and be baptized but if you do not believe in him then nothing matters not baptized in his name for why would you if you did not believe in him see he need not say anything but if you do not believe then it matters not what else you do

That is faulty reasoning. If someone does not believe in the existence of Jesus then of course they would not get water baptized, yet there are still numerous people (especially "nominal" Christians who are members of false religions and cults) who have been water baptized and at best believe "mental assent" in the existence of Christ and that His death, burial and resurrection "happened" yet they are still missing the crucial element of belief that saves, namely, trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) so they do not believe unto salvation, yet they still get water baptized anyway because they are trusting in water baptism to save them.

While Mark 16:16 does tell us something about believers who have been baptized (they will be saved), it does not say anything about believers who have not been baptized. In order for this verse to teach that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation, a third statement would be necessary, such as, "He who believes and is not baptized will be condemned" or "He who is not baptized will be condemned" but, of course, neither of these statements is found in the verse. Again, what did Jesus say in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26? What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

Jesus did not mention all he expects from us in one verse salvation is not found in a single verse but take all the verses cumulatively to get the full plan

Do you attend the church of Christ?

He said you must believe but he did add repent to that one verse we find it in his worg he said you must confess that Jesus is Lord but not in a single verse with believe and repent he also said you must be baptized in his name but not in one single verse was this listed he said study to show thyself approves study all his word not just hang your hat on a single verse but to search the scriptures for there in lie the truth of his word the words that give life.

Jesus does not need to spell out the word repent in that one verse because those who believe have already repented in the process of changing their mind and choosing to believe. Repent and believe are two sides to the same coin. Where one is mentioned in regard to salvation the other is implied or assumed. Also notice the order of repent and believe/faith.

Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

Mark 1:15 - And saying: The time is accomplished, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent and believe the gospel.

Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

I have often heard certain people misinterpret Romans 10:9,10 in such a way which means we can believe unto righteousness today, but are still lost until we confess Christ later, which may be next week and then we are finally saved next week, but that is not what Paul is talking about here. Someone who is moot (unable to speak) would also remain lost according to that erroneous interpretation of Romans 10:9,10 for failing to verbally confess with their mouth. Also, those who teach that we are not saved until after we are water baptized place confession before baptism in a 4-5 step plan of salvation, so confession is made unto salvation (Romans 10:10) before water baptism becomes a problematic contradiction for such people.

Now in regard to Romans 10:9-10, Confessing with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together, so it's not faith plus the work of confession. Confession here is an expression of faith and not a work for salvation.

Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (TOGETHER) that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, (notice the reverse order from verse 9-10) - that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Confess/believe; believe/confess.

1 Corinthians 12:3 - Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except BY the Holy Spirit. There is divine influence or direct operation of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a person when confessing Jesus as Lord. This confession is not just a simple acknowledgment that Jesus is the Lord (even the demons believe that), but is a deep, personal conviction from the heart that Jesus is that person's Lord and Savior.

*So simply believing in our head (and not in our heart) that God raised Him from the dead does not result in righteousness and simply giving lip service to the words "Jesus is Lord" not by the Holy Spirit is not unto salvation.

He told you that he that believes AND is baptized will be saved do you really want to question his word or just abide in it He say his words are truth and life do you think he can not make himself clear.

Jesus clarified the first clause with ..but he who does not believe will be condemned. Also, there is no AND is baptized in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26. Do you really want to question Mark 16:16(b) and John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26 or just abide in what Jesus said? ALL of what Jesus said or do you prefer to hang your hat only on one half of one verse? Jesus did make himself clear and nowhere does the Bible say "must be baptized in order to be saved" or "whoever is not baptized will not be saved." That is your eisegesis.

Now elsewhere, Jesus said unless you repent you will all likewise perish. (Luke 13:3) That's because if we don't repent (change our mind) then we will not believe in Jesus for salvation and become saved. Jesus also said, He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:18)

Remember if you do not believe you are lost already and nothing else in his word matters.

You really need to keep that in mind. If one does not believe/trust in Jesus as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation (John 3:18) then they are lost already and nothing else matters regardless of whatever else they believe or do.

 

[Godslittleservant]

Jesus clarified the first clause with ..but he who does not believe will be condemned. What I shared with you is not faulty reasoning. We need to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching our conclusion on doctrine.


That is faulty reasoning. If someone does not believe in the existence of Jesus then of course they would not get water baptized, yet there are still numerous people (especially "nominal" Christians who are members of false religions and cults) who have been water baptized and at best believe "mental assent" in the existence of Christ and that His death, burial and resurrection "happened" yet they are still missing the crucial element of belief that saves, namely, trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) so they do not believe unto salvation, yet they still get water baptized anyway because they are trusting in water baptism to save them.

While Mark 16:16 does tell us something about believers who have been baptized (they will be saved), it does not say anything about believers who have not been baptized. In order for this verse to teach that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation, a third statement would be necessary, such as, "He who believes and is not baptized will be condemned" or "He who is not baptized will be condemned" but, of course, neither of these statements is found in the verse. Again, what did Jesus say in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26? What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.


Do you attend the church of Christ?


Jesus does not need to spell out the word repent in that one verse because those who believe have already repented in the process of changing their mind and choosing to believe. Repent and believe are two sides to the same coin. Where one is mentioned in regard to salvation the other is implied or assumed. Also notice the order of repent and believe/faith.

Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

Mark 1:15 - And saying: The time is accomplished, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent and believe the gospel.

Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

I have often heard certain people misinterpret Romans 10:9,10 in such a way which means we can believe unto righteousness today, but are still lost until we confess Christ later, which may be next week and then we are finally saved next week, but that is not what Paul is talking about here. Someone who is moot (unable to speak) would also remain lost according to that erroneous interpretation of Romans 10:9,10 for failing to verbally confess with their mouth. Also, those who teach that we are not saved until after we are water baptized place confession before baptism in a 4-5 step plan of salvation, so confession is made unto salvation (Romans 10:10) before water baptism becomes a problematic contradiction for such people.

Now in regard to Romans 10:9-10, Confessing with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead are not two separate steps to salvation but are chronologically together, so it's not faith plus the work of confession. Confession here is an expression of faith and not a work for salvation.

Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (TOGETHER) that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, (notice the reverse order from verse 9-10) - that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Confess/believe; believe/confess.

1 Corinthians 12:3 - Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except BY the Holy Spirit. There is divine influence or direct operation of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a person when confessing Jesus as Lord. This confession is not just a simple acknowledgment that Jesus is the Lord (even the demons believe that), but is a deep, personal conviction from the heart that Jesus is that person's Lord and Savior.

*So simply believing in our head (and not in our heart) that God raised Him from the dead does not result in righteousness and simply giving lip service to the words "Jesus is Lord" not by the Holy Spirit is not unto salvation.


Jesus clarified the first clause with ..but he who does not believe will be condemned. Also, there is no AND is baptized in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26. Do you really want to question Mark 16:16(b) and John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26 or just abide in what Jesus said? ALL of what Jesus said or do you prefer to hang your hat only on one half of one verse? Jesus did make himself clear and nowhere does the Bible say "must be baptized in order to be saved" or "whoever is not baptized will not be saved." That is your eisegesis.

Now elsewhere, Jesus said unless you repent you will all likewise perish. (Luke 13:3) That's because if we don't repent (change our mind) then we will not believe in Jesus for salvation and become saved. Jesus also said, He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:18)


You really need to keep that in mind. If one does not believe/trust in Jesus as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation (John 3:18) then they are lost already and nothing else matters regardless of whatever else they believe or do.

I will leave you at your conclusion it seems you go to great effort to discredit what God has said . Just an observance here it appears to me the reader of your thoughts that baptism seems to be the only thing you discredit in God's word as if he does not know what he is saying when he talk about baptism. He recorded it in plain simple language that anyone can understand but then we have men come along and distort is so that it becomes foolish to them.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: Mark 16:16 is not teaching you must be water baptized to go to heaven?

Precious friend @Johann, and other diligent students of God's Word:

Respectfully disagree, because:

It actually Depends which 'economy' of God that one is in - ie:

Three Different Baptisms to prayerfully / Carefully consider:

In God's Previous Context Of Prophecy / Covenants / Law for
( the "lost sheep" of the house of ) Israel, in Yesterday's economy!:

►►► The Twelve Were Sent to { water } baptize! ◄◄◄

The Two Main (of 12 ) baptismS =

A) water, For remission of sins / induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30 = Yes, For remission of sins!)
(Acts_10:37 Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38 = Yes, For remission of sins!, 22:16;
Ezekiel_36:25; Isaiah 52:15)

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B) With The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)

Prophecy/Covenants/Law for Israel!

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

In God's Other Distinctive Context ( Today's economy! ) of:

Mystery / Grace! (Romans - Philemon) =

our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of Christ, Currently!:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to { water } baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today, Paul's "But Now":

Only One Baptism = "By" The One Spirit = God's Operation ( For Forgiveness of sin! ),
Spiritually Identifying members In (The One Body Of) Christ!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB)

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Conclusion: I believe "God's One Baptism 'By The One Holy Spirit' For The One Body of Christ,
Today, Under Grace / Mystery" Replaces Both:

"water baptism And The Baptism With The Holy Spirit, which were/will be under
God's Other program of prophecy / Covenants / Law for Israel!"

Who is willing to "give an account To God," for changing His One Baptism Into two?
Or Even? [ Blaspheming The One Holy Spirit? ] by marrying It ↑ into one With water?

Amen.

This have also been Very Helpful:

Water That Divides!!
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Amen.

 

[Godslittleservant]

Just a thought I had last night as I was trying to go to sleep.

Please take time to really consider this and don't just roll your eyes and pass it by but give it a little consideration.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Believeth what? The gospel of Christ that he is the son of God sent to die on the cross the death burial and resurrection and is baptized Why to join Christ at the cross in his death burial and resurrection Romans 63ff?

Does not Mark 16:16 more or less say the say thing Peter by the spirit of Christ say in Acts 2

Think about this if we are to believe Christ gospel as he said in Mark 16:16 and be baptized (in the name of Christ Acts 2:38) so we shall be saved then does he really need to say just what all you need not to believe to be damned? He already told you what you had to believe to be saved so why does he need to say anything else? It leads right into Acts. Where Mark leaves off Acts picks up.

I think if I readily admit it that trying to go past what he told me I needed to do to be saved in the first part and argue to say that is not what he meant because he did not say this or that is just my way of trying to get around what he did say so I can justify my understanding and not just accept what he did say.

 

[amigo de christo]

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.

The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

He who BELIEVES IN HIM would also have BELIEVED HIM .
Any man , woman or child who BELIEVETH IN JESUS CHRIST should be water baptized . I already KNOW
what saved one was FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST . But IS our faith TRULY IN HIM if we omit His teachings .
SEE that is the key . THE PROOF that our FAITH in HIM saves us can also be seen on that cross .
The man who said REMEMBER ME WHEN YE COME INTO THY KINGDOM
never got water baptized . HOWEVER , he was up on a cross and couldnt .
I am not advocating as does the wicked harlot RCC that it is the water itself that saves us
BUT I AM SAYING if we , if our faith IS IN JESUS CHRIST , we will be hearers and doers .
Now peter even had the gentile house of cornelious water baptized , EVEN AFTER they had been HOLY GHOST baptized
and had spoken with tongues . IF the early chruch DID IT , WE DO IT . KNOWING FULL WELL
THAT IT IS SOLEY BY WHAT JESUS DID FOR US , BELIEVING IN HIM , FAITH IN HIM , BY the GRACE OF GOD WE ARE SAVED .

 

[Godslittleservant]

Amigo did you not get my conversation request?

 

[amigo de christo]

Amigo did you not get my conversation request?

Be encouraged my friend . Hearers and doers of the Word . if the early church taught it and did it , we do the same .