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Mark 16:16
From 1974 to 1978 I was involved in evangelistic outreach ministry at two universities: Arkansas State University (1974-76) and North Carolina State University (1976-778). I often ran into students who believed that in order to go to heaven you had to be baptized. One of the passages they cited was Mark 16:15-16.

And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.”

In this article I will explain why this verse can’t be teaching salvation by baptism and then show what it does mean.

Mark 16:16 Isn’t Teaching That You Must Be Water Baptized to Go to Heaven

There are a number of clear and compelling reasons why we can be sure that Mark 16:16 isn’t teaching that water baptism is a condition of eternal salvation:

The basis of condemnation is unbelief only.
The apostles did not preach that you must be baptized to go to heaven.
The Gospel never changes.
There are NT examples of people who were saved before they were baptized.
Let’s briefly consider each of those points in more detail.

Condemnation Is for Unbelief Only

Jesus didn’t say, “He who is not baptized will be condemned.” Neither did He say, “He who does not believe and is not baptized will be condemned.” By this our Lord made it clear that faith alone was necessary to avoid eternal condemnation. He said the same thing in John 3:18: “He who believes in Him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God” (see also John 5:24; 6:47).

The Apostles Preached Salvation by Faith Alone

Two of the disciples in the inner circle were Peter and John. Both of them heard Jesus say the words recorded in Mark 16. Yet both of them taught that the only condition of eternal salvation was trusting in Christ and Him alone.

Peter proclaimed the Gospel to Cornelius and his family. He led them to faith in Christ before he even mentioned baptism (cf. Acts 10-34-44). Only after they were saved and baptized by the Holy Spirit did Peter mention Christian baptism and give them the opportunity to be baptized (Acts 10:45-48).

The apostle John wrote an evangelistic book that we call the Gospel of John. He repeatedly indicated that faith is the condition of eternal salvation. Yet not once in all of John’s Gospel, written after the event recorded in Mark 16:16 occurred, did John condition eternal salvation upon water baptism. (In fact, Christian water baptism is not even mentioned in John’s Gospel. )

The Gospel Never Changes

“What about the thief on the cross?” I would say. “Jesus said he would be with Him that day in Paradise, yet he was never baptized.”

The response I would get was inevitably this: That was before Pentecost. After Pentecost, you have to be baptized in order to be saved.

What these students were telling me was that the Gospel had changed. Before Jesus’ resurrection and the coming of the Spirit a person was saved without water baptism. After that water baptism is required.

That is an impossible position to defend since the apostle Paul clearly indicates that we are saved in this age the same way Abraham and David were saved in their age (cf. Rom. 4:1-8; Gal. 3:6-14). The Gospel has always been, and always will be, by grace through faith plus nothing. We find this in the first book in the Bible (Gen. 3:15; 15:6) and in the last book in the Bible (Rev. 22:17).

The NT Gives Examples of Salvation Before Baptism

In addition to the thief on the cross, there are other NT examples of people who were saved without being baptized. Martha (John 11:25-27) is one. Another is Cornelius and his household. According to Acts 10:43-48, they were saved the moment they heard Peter tell them that all who believe in the Lord Jesus receive remission of sins. At that very moment, before they were baptized with water, they were baptized by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ.

These four points prove that Mark 16:16 is not teaching that you must be water baptized to go to heaven. However, the question still remains as to what Mark 16:16 does mean.

Mark 16:16 Is Teaching That All Who Respond to the Great Commission Will Go to Heaven

The key to understanding these verses is to recognize that they are a summary statement of the Great Commission. Mark is not reporting everything that Jesus said about the Great Commission. He is recording one summary statement that Jesus made of it.

The Great Commission was communicated by the Lord on five different occasions (once each in the Gospels and Acts). There is a lot of variety in the way the Great Commission is expressed in these five instances. In some of those statements only evangelism is mentioned (e. g. , Luke 24:47, though it could possibly be dealing with both evangelism and discipleship, and Acts 1:8). In some only discipleship is mentioned (Matt. 28:18-20; John 21:15-17). the Great Commission in Mark 16:15-16 includes both evangelism and discipleship. Preaching the Gospel to every creature (v. 15) is evangelism. Baptizing those who believe (v. 16) is the first step in discipleship.

What Jesus is saying in Mark 16:15-16 is this:

Preach the Gospel to everyone on earth (v. 15).
Tell people to believe in Him and to be baptized (implied in v. 16).
Those who believe and are baptized will be saved.
Those who don’t believe will be condemned.
It is, of course, true that all who believe and are baptized will be eternally saved. That is not to say, however, that those who either refuse to be baptized or who fail to be baptized through procrastination, ignorance, or lack of opportunity (for example, some people have died immediately after trusting in Christ) will not be saved. They will. At the very moment they believe, they are saved from the penalty of sin, eternal condemnation.

We must be careful not to read into Scripture. Jesus does not say or even imply that the one who isn’t baptized won’t be saved. We know that is not true from other Scripture, and even from the second half of v. 16. *

Conclusion

Mark 16:16 does not contradict salvation by faith alone. Rather, it affirms it. Jesus clearly and unmistakably indicates that the sole basis of eternal condemnation is unbelief. The sole basis for eternal salvation is believing the Lord Jesus, and Him alone, for it.

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*Another understanding of Mark 16:16 is that it refers to Holy Spirit baptism (see, for example, Lewis Sperry Chafer, Systematic Theology, Vol. 6, p. 150). Except for some exceptional cases in the Book of Acts, Holy Spirit baptism has always occurred at the point of faith. Compare 1 Cor. 12:13. While that view is possible, I don’t believe it fits the context as well as the one I have articulated here.

Bob Wilkin, The GES News, Mary-June 1995, pp. 2-4



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Amen!

Water is simply the object used to represent the spirit of God, making water baptism a mere parable of the actual subject, which is spiritual baptism and the need to be born again of the spirit of God.

All things from God come in parables, where the object and the subject are not the same but different. It's all parables.

And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables?
 

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Amen!

Water is simply the object used to represent the spirit of God, making water baptism a mere parable of the actual subject, which is spiritual baptism and the need to be born again of the spirit of God.

All things from God come in parables, where the object and the subject are not the same but different. It's all parables.

And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables?

Amen!

Water is simply the object used to represent the spirit of God, making water baptism a mere parable of the actual subject, which is spiritual baptism and the need to be born again of the spirit of God.

All things from God come in parables, where the object and the subject are not the same but different. It's all parables.

And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables?
Brother-I am about to be banned for a month-two more warnings and I'm gone.
I don't really understand what you are saying here re parables.
Shalom.
 

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From 1974 to 1978 I was involved in evangelistic outreach ministry at two universities: Arkansas State University (1974-76) and North Carolina State University (1976-778). I often ran into students who believed that in order to go to heaven you had to be baptized. One of the passages they cited was Mark 16:15-16.

And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.”

In this article I will explain why this verse can’t be teaching salvation by baptism and then show what it does mean.

Mark 16:16 Isn’t Teaching That You Must Be Water Baptized to Go to Heaven

There are a number of clear and compelling reasons why we can be sure that Mark 16:16 isn’t teaching that water baptism is a condition of eternal salvation:

The basis of condemnation is unbelief only.
The apostles did not preach that you must be baptized to go to heaven.
The Gospel never changes.
There are NT examples of people who were saved before they were baptized.
Let’s briefly consider each of those points in more detail.

Condemnation Is for Unbelief Only

Jesus didn’t say, “He who is not baptized will be condemned.” Neither did He say, “He who does not believe and is not baptized will be condemned.” By this our Lord made it clear that faith alone was necessary to avoid eternal condemnation. He said the same thing in John 3:18: “He who believes in Him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God” (see also John 5:24; 6:47).

The Apostles Preached Salvation by Faith Alone

Two of the disciples in the inner circle were Peter and John. Both of them heard Jesus say the words recorded in Mark 16. Yet both of them taught that the only condition of eternal salvation was trusting in Christ and Him alone.

Peter proclaimed the Gospel to Cornelius and his family. He led them to faith in Christ before he even mentioned baptism (cf. Acts 10-34-44). Only after they were saved and baptized by the Holy Spirit did Peter mention Christian baptism and give them the opportunity to be baptized (Acts 10:45-48).

The apostle John wrote an evangelistic book that we call the Gospel of John. He repeatedly indicated that faith is the condition of eternal salvation. Yet not once in all of John’s Gospel, written after the event recorded in Mark 16:16 occurred, did John condition eternal salvation upon water baptism. (In fact, Christian water baptism is not even mentioned in John’s Gospel. )

The Gospel Never Changes

“What about the thief on the cross?” I would say. “Jesus said he would be with Him that day in Paradise, yet he was never baptized.”

The response I would get was inevitably this: That was before Pentecost. After Pentecost, you have to be baptized in order to be saved.

What these students were telling me was that the Gospel had changed. Before Jesus’ resurrection and the coming of the Spirit a person was saved without water baptism. After that water baptism is required.

That is an impossible position to defend since the apostle Paul clearly indicates that we are saved in this age the same way Abraham and David were saved in their age (cf. Rom. 4:1-8; Gal. 3:6-14). The Gospel has always been, and always will be, by grace through faith plus nothing. We find this in the first book in the Bible (Gen. 3:15; 15:6) and in the last book in the Bible (Rev. 22:17).

The NT Gives Examples of Salvation Before Baptism

In addition to the thief on the cross, there are other NT examples of people who were saved without being baptized. Martha (John 11:25-27) is one. Another is Cornelius and his household. According to Acts 10:43-48, they were saved the moment they heard Peter tell them that all who believe in the Lord Jesus receive remission of sins. At that very moment, before they were baptized with water, they were baptized by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ.

These four points prove that Mark 16:16 is not teaching that you must be water baptized to go to heaven. However, the question still remains as to what Mark 16:16 does mean.

Mark 16:16 Is Teaching That All Who Respond to the Great Commission Will Go to Heaven

The key to understanding these verses is to recognize that they are a summary statement of the Great Commission. Mark is not reporting everything that Jesus said about the Great Commission. He is recording one summary statement that Jesus made of it.

The Great Commission was communicated by the Lord on five different occasions (once each in the Gospels and Acts). There is a lot of variety in the way the Great Commission is expressed in these five instances. In some of those statements only evangelism is mentioned (e. g. , Luke 24:47, though it could possibly be dealing with both evangelism and discipleship, and Acts 1:8). In some only discipleship is mentioned (Matt. 28:18-20; John 21:15-17). the Great Commission in Mark 16:15-16 includes both evangelism and discipleship. Preaching the Gospel to every creature (v. 15) is evangelism. Baptizing those who believe (v. 16) is the first step in discipleship.

What Jesus is saying in Mark 16:15-16 is this:

Preach the Gospel to everyone on earth (v. 15).
Tell people to believe in Him and to be baptized (implied in v. 16).
Those who believe and are baptized will be saved.
Those who don’t believe will be condemned.
It is, of course, true that all who believe and are baptized will be eternally saved. That is not to say, however, that those who either refuse to be baptized or who fail to be baptized through procrastination, ignorance, or lack of opportunity (for example, some people have died immediately after trusting in Christ) will not be saved. They will. At the very moment they believe, they are saved from the penalty of sin, eternal condemnation.

We must be careful not to read into Scripture. Jesus does not say or even imply that the one who isn’t baptized won’t be saved. We know that is not true from other Scripture, and even from the second half of v. 16. *

Conclusion

Mark 16:16 does not contradict salvation by faith alone. Rather, it affirms it. Jesus clearly and unmistakably indicates that the sole basis of eternal condemnation is unbelief. The sole basis for eternal salvation is believing the Lord Jesus, and Him alone, for it.

________________

*Another understanding of Mark 16:16 is that it refers to Holy Spirit baptism (see, for example, Lewis Sperry Chafer, Systematic Theology, Vol. 6, p. 150). Except for some exceptional cases in the Book of Acts, Holy Spirit baptism has always occurred at the point of faith. Compare 1 Cor. 12:13. While that view is possible, I don’t believe it fits the context as well as the one I have articulated here.

Bob Wilkin, The GES News, Mary-June 1995, pp. 2-4



A healthy, edifying debate.
Johann



Going to start this again? Didn't learn the first time?

“Now why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock; and when there was a flood, the river burst against that house and yet it could not shake it, because it had been well built. But the one who has heard and has not acted accordingly is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation; and the river burst against it and it immediately collapsed, and the ruin of that house was great.” Luke 6:47-49

What is it about this new age that people try to prove they can do and live different than what the Bible says....what God said.....and still get to Heaven?

I will tell you the same thing I told Behold....find a scripture that says specifically that water baptism is not necessary for salvation.....to get to Heaven.

Or admit you can not find that scripture.....Do you have a problem with being honest? Why not start out by saying I cannot find a scripture that says water baptism is not necessary for salvation.....to get to Heaven....But these scriptures are why I believe water baptism in not necessary to be saved or go to Heaven.

The necessity for water baptism has never been questioned....not in the Bible.....not in the early writings of Christians....Even during the Protestant reform the Protestants fought for the right to water baptize .....not until this new age. Neither Christ or any Apostle told people to go out and spirit baptize people. How would you do that and what would it look like anyway?

If the Bible and all of Christian history do not mean anything it is just as easy to question belief, faith, repentance, and the need for the Bread and Wine ritual, living a moral life and helping others. Christianity is not a club you sign up for and go on about your business like nothing changed.

And you had a long post there and you were wrong on so many things it would take me sometime to correct everything that is wrong. How can people read the Bible and get it so wrong in so many ways? Its some where between humorous....sad.....and scary. I do not understand how people can be so wrong, but I suspect that it is because they only remember the scriptures they like. Sometimes it is just easier to say….you are so wrong on everything so you need to start your studies over again from scratch. And in your case get your money back for college.
 

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Going to start this again? Didn't learn the first time?

“Now why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock; and when there was a flood, the river burst against that house and yet it could not shake it, because it had been well built. But the one who has heard and has not acted accordingly is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation; and the river burst against it and it immediately collapsed, and the ruin of that house was great.” Luke 6:47-49

What is it about this new age that people try to prove they can do and live different than what the Bible says....what God said.....and still get to Heaven?

I will tell you the same thing I told Behold....find a scripture that says specifically that water baptism is not necessary for salvation.....to get to Heaven.

Or admit you can not find that scripture.....Do you have a problem with being honest? Why not start out by saying I cannot find a scripture that says water baptism is not necessary for salvation.....to get to Heaven....But these scriptures are why I believe water baptism in not necessary to be saved or go to Heaven.

The necessity for water baptism has never been questioned....not in the Bible.....not in the early writings of Christians....Even during the Protestant reform the Protestants fought for the right to water baptize .....not until this new age. Neither Christ or any Apostle told people to go out and spirit baptize people. How would you do that and what would it look like anyway?

If the Bible and all of Christian history do not mean anything it is just as easy to question belief, faith, repentance, and the need for the Bread and Wine ritual, living a moral life and helping others. Christianity is not a club you sign up for and go on about your business like nothing changed.

And you had a long post there and you were wrong on so many things it would take me sometime to correct everything that is wrong. How can people read the Bible and get it so wrong in so many ways? Its some where between humorous....sad.....and scary. I do not understand how people can be so wrong, but I suspect that it is because they only remember the scriptures they like. Sometimes it is just easier to say….you are so wrong on everything so you need to start your studies over again from scratch. And in your case get your money back for college.
Thank you for the positive feedback-and I will ask for my money back from college.


I made the assumption you didn't listen to the video clip?
All good.
1:47 AM here in South Africa.

Take your time and list everything I have wrong-with Scripture references.
2:38 "Repent"

This is an AORIST ACTIVE IMPERATIVE
which means make a decisive decision. The Hebrew term for repentance meant a change of action. The Greek term meant a change of mind. Repentance is a willingness to change. It does not mean a total cessation of sin, but a desire to please God, not self.

As fallen humanity we live for ourselves, but as believers we live for God! Repentance and faith are God's requirements for salvation (cf. Mark 1:15; Acts 3:16, 19; 20:21). Jesus said "Unless you repent, you will all perish" (cf Luke. 13:3,5). Repentance is God's will for fallen man (cf. 2 Pet. 3:9, Ezek. 18:23, 30, 32). The mystery of the sovereignty of God and human free will can be clearly demonstrated by repentance as a requirement for salvation. However, the paradox or dialectic pair is that it is also a gift of God (cf. Acts 5:31; 11:18 and 2 Tim. 2:25).

There is always a tension in the biblical presentation of God's initiating grace and humanity's needed covenantal response. The new covenant, like the old covenant, has an "if. . .then" structure. There are several terms used in the NT which relate to the concept of repentance.



"be baptized"

. This is another AORIST PASSIVE IMPERATIVE



"in the name of Jesus Christ"


This is a Hebrew idiom (reflected in Joel 2:32) which refers to the person or character of Jesus. It may be that the early church's baptismal formula, which was probably repeated by the candidate, was "I believe Jesus is Lord" (cf. Rom. 10:9-13; 1 Cor. 1:13,15).

This was both a theological affirmation and a personal trust affirmation. In the Great Commission of Matt. 28:19-20 the triune name is the baptismal formula. Again we must guard against a mechanical sacramentalism! The title or formula is not the key, but the heart of the one being baptized.



NASB. NJB, NIV   "for the forgiveness of your sins"
NKJV, Peshitta   "for the remission of sins"
NRSV   "so that your sins may be forgiven"
TEV   "so that your sins will be forgiven"
REB   "then your sins will be forgiven"

The theological question is how does "for" (eis) function? Is forgiveness linked to "repent" or "be baptized"? Is forgiveness dependent on repentance and/or baptism?

What the video is all about---


The possible uses of eis are multiple. The most common use is "with a view to" or "for this purpose of." Most Baptist scholars choose "because of" for theological reasons, but it is a minor option.

Often our presuppositions even function at this grammatical analysis level. We must let the Bible speak in context; then check the parallels; then form our systematic theologies. All interpreters are historically, denominationally, and experientially conditioned.

Forgiveness through faith in Christ is a recurrent theme in these sermons in Acts (i.e., Peter 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43; and Paul 13:38).

"receive the gift of the Holy Spirit"

This is a FUTURE MIDDLE (deponent) INDICATIVE. The gift of the Spirit was

an assured salvation
an indwelling presence
an equipping for service
a developing Christlikeness

We must not push the items or the order of the events of salvation because they are often different in Acts. Acts was not meant to teach a standard formula or theological sequence (cf. How To Read the Bible for All Its Worth, pp. 94-112), but record what happened.

Should an interpreter use this text to assert a sequence of salvation acts: repent, be baptized, forgiveness, and then the gift of the Spirit?

My theology demands the Spirit as active from the first (cf. John 6:44,65) and crucial all through the process of conviction (cf. John 16:8-12), repentance (cf. Acts 5:31; 11:18; 2 Tim. 2:25), and faith. The Spirit is primary and necessary (cf. Rom. 8:9) from start to finish. He certainly cannot be last in a series!

One of the books that has helped me shed my denominational indoctrination and let the Bible speak with power is F. F. Bruce, Answers to Questions. In it he makes several good comments about Acts 2:38. One that grabbed me is:

"This reception of the spirit might be experienced before baptism (Acts 10:44), after baptism (Acts 2:38), or after baptism plus the laying on of apostolic hands (Acts 8:16; 19:54)" (p. 167).

Moderns want clear statements of doctrine which can be affirmed, but usually they react to a "proof-text" method of interpretation and isolate only those texts that fit their pre-understanding, biases (see seminar on Biblical Interpretation,--
Utley.


Shalom to you and precious family-I have none.
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Thank you for the positive feedback-and I will ask for my money back from college.


I made the assumption you didn't listen to the video clip?
All good.
1:47 AM here in South Africa.

Take your time and list everything I have wrong-with Scripture references.

Shalom to you and precious family-I have none.
Johann.

LOL Keep in mind that a friend will tell you if your zipper is down.

I call my ministry the Johnny Appleseed of Truth....the Truth will set you free......but......as Paul and the other Apostles found out.....it can also get you into trouble.....and in prison LOL If you want friends just agree with everyone......they may go to Hell but at least you are popular. You are only going to have so many friends if you tell the Truth because sooner or later you are going to step on someone's toes.

And go through and correct what you had wrong? That would not help you. Odd are that is just some of the things that you got wrong, odds are good you have a lot going on in your head that is wrong. That is why I said you need to get your money back for college......you cannot go through school with knowledgeable people and get it that wrong.
 
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LOL Keep in mind that a friend will tell you if your zipper is down.

I call my ministry the Johnny Appleseed of Truth....the Truth will set you free......but...... as Paul and the other Apostles found out.....it can also get you into trouble.....and in prison LOL If you want friends just agree with everyone ......they may go to Hell but at least you are popular. You are only going to have so many friends if you tell the Truth because sooner or later you are going to step on someone's toes.

And go through and correct what you had wrong? That would not help you. That is just some of the things that you got wrong, odds are good you have a lot going on in your head that is wrong. That is why I said you need to get your money back for college ......you cannot go through school with knowledgeable people and get it that wrong.
Excellent advice!
I will ask my money back from college.
You might want to read the post again, I have edited it just now.
Thank you for friends such as yourself-very polite-Christian like-that is what is needed on this Forum.
Shalom
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Excellent advice!
I will ask my money back from college.
You might want to read the post again, I have edited it just now.
Thank you for friends such as yourself-very polite-Christian like-that is what is needed on this Forum.
Shalom
Johann.
To the trenches , point to CHRIST JESUS till the last and final breath .
Water baptism , as we know is not what truly saved us as some try and teach it do .
We do as the early church did . They did it so we do it . But we know the true baptism is of the SPIRIT .
Ps , never follow the RCC either . as i know you already know my friend .
Only a true beleiver ought to be water baptized and the true spiriutal baptism cometh of the HOLY GHOST .
 

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Excellent advice!
I will ask my money back from college.
You might want to read the post again, I have edited it just now.
Thank you for friends such as yourself-very polite-Christian like-that is what is needed on this Forum.
Shalom
Johann.
Money back from college . yep .
but lambs know a deep truth . EVERY WORD OF GOD IS PRESCIOUS a true treasure .
Lambs feast on them bibles . Yep .
 

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To the trenches , point to CHRIST JESUS till the last and final breath .
Water baptism , as we know is not what truly saved us as some try and teach it do .
We do as the early church did . They did it so we do it . But we know the true baptism is of the SPIRIT .
Ps , never follow the RCC either . as i know you already know my friend .
Only a true beleiver ought to be water baptized and the true spiriutal baptism cometh of the HOLY GHOST .
A very rough day for me brother-keep me up in prayers.
Johann.
 

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Excellent advice!
I will ask my money back from college.
You might want to read the post again, I have edited it just now.
Thank you for friends such as yourself-very polite-Christian like-that is what is needed on this Forum.
Shalom
Johann.
What saves a person . BELIEVE YE ON JESUS CHRIST . FAITH IN HE my friend . POINT to CHRIST till the last breath .
 

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A very rough day for me brother-keep me up in prayers.
Johann.
Okay my friend . lambs will take a beating in this world . I been called anti christ and son of perditon
and a whole lot of names that simply cannot be repeated in the presence of the living .
And all for what , POINTING TO THE GLORIOUS LORD JESUS CHRIST .
OH its a badge of honor my friend . wear it and rejoice in the LORD .
 

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A very rough day for me brother-keep me up in prayers.
Johann.
Sadly , for their sakes , most but not all the name calling came from supposed christians . Yeah marvel not .
IF those of the house of GOD in earthly jerusalem called JESUS a devil
BELEIVE ME many within christendom , YET FOLLOW NOT CHRIST , gonna call us some names my friend .
 

amigo de christo

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A very rough day for me brother-keep me up in prayers.
Johann.
Trivia question my friend .
What was JESUS main warning to his own desciples .
WHO is the most dangerous type of deciever .
IT is one who is on the outside , or one who cometh from within and can appear as men of righteousness
and yet be doing the work of ..................the devil himself .
I dont think folks realize this . The most dangerous and deadliest decievers COME FROM WITHIN THE CHURCH .
That be a fact . Beware of wolves IN SHEEPS CLOTHING . many will come in HIS NAME and yet decieve many .
Folks dont seem to grasp this at all .
 

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Excellent advice!
I will ask my money back from college.
You might want to read the post again, I have edited it just now.
Thank you for friends such as yourself-very polite-Christian like-that is what is needed on this Forum.
Shalom
Johann.
A different sort of polite. LOL Kind of like Christ when he was talking to the Jews....“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? or when He knotted up a rope and turned the money changers tables over. I am obvious the guy that will go the extra mile.....I am theologian and attend church with several denominations and I have spent most of my life in one form of formal schooling or another in 5 countries. And I have the mind to back it up, I started college at the age of 15.....it would have been 14 but there were family issues.
 

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Hit the trenches dear sister . The lambs POINT TO CHRIST JESUS till our last breath .
Have to get out there is right!! We have to pray for one another often as well as:

Galatians 6:10 "as we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith."

Amen!