Marriage under false pretenses

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We were discussing this recently, and I wondered about other believers' opinions regarding the subject.[list type=decimal][1] A man and woman have a several-month-long relationship during which the woman is faithful about attending church with him, seems to be fine with the church, and while she says she is a believer, through their six weeks of church-mandated counseling never gives any indication that she is of another religion. Within a couple weeks after they marry, she informs the husband that she is of another religion, which he would consider a cult, and she will no longer be attending his church.[2] A widowed man and woman have a several-month-long relationship during which the man never mentions that before they met, he had molested his daughter. She also has a daughter, and unaware of this, they marry. Years later, his daughter tells what had happened. He denies what she says, but the woman tells the man that believes the daughter. He finally admits that the daughter is right.[3] A man and woman have a several-month-long relationship resulting in marriage. Within weeks after the marriage, they start receiving collections bills for credit cards she had acquired before the marriage, that she had neither mentioned to him nor paid in the last four months.[4] A man and woman have a several-month-long relationship during which the man was loving, caring, and gentle. During the honeymoon, he informs her he had never loved her and he thinks she is unattractive, but he felt pushed into the marriage by his parents.[/list]Regarding each individual case:Biblically speaking, are these legitimate marriages? Why or why not?Based upon the provided information, are there biblical grounds for divorce? Why or why not?Upon divorce in any of the cases, are the biblical grounds for remarriage the man? for the woman? Why or why not?
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Suppose, for each case, the wounded spouse initially decided to stay with the wounding spouse. Two years later, [list type=decimal][1] The woman who is is of another religion becomes beligerant and non-supportive.[2] The man who abused his daughter becomes beligerant and non-supportive.[3] The woman with the unpaid credit cards becomes beligerant and non-supportive.[4] The unloving man becomes beligerant and non-supportive.[/list]Regarding each individual case:Biblically speaking, are these legitimate marriages? Why or why not?Based upon the provided information, are there biblical grounds for divorce? Why or why not?Upon divorce in any of the cases, are the biblical grounds for remarriage the man? for the woman? Why or why not?
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Suppose, for each case, the wounded spouse initially decided to stay with the wounding spouse. Two years later, [list type=decimal][1] The woman who is is of another religion starts seeing another man.[2] The man who abused his daughter is caught watching Internet porn.[3] The woman with the unpaid credit cards starts seeing another man.[4] The unloving man is caught watching Internet porn.[/list]Regarding each individual case:Biblically speaking, are these legitimate marriages? Why or why not?Based upon the provided information, are there biblical grounds for divorce? Why or why not?Upon divorce in any of the cases, are the biblical grounds for remarriage the man? for the woman? Why or why not?
 

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Oh boy. Why do I smell a hint of deception here?In all 4 cases, it seems to me that one or the other and possibly both were out of the will of the Lord. And in all 4 cases one or possibly both were hard-headed and/or allowing themselves to be deceived. This is why I said earlier that the Lord kept me from such a mate and I asked the rhetorical question "Where was God when they married?" Geeez. What one will do to get out of a bad relationship because they were too dumb or hard-headed to listen to others who probably saw that they were a bad match to begin with. Maybe they should all take biblical classes on how to start and keep a relationship because such hypothetical people certainly did not have the smarts to begin with.As I said before, If a husband or wife is beating them up that badly, or are in danger, they can leave the marriage. Even Paul allowed that freedom. But then stay divorced until the other dies---- indeed, such a person probably isn't fit to be discerning enough to pick a suitable mate especially since they were apparently not in God's will enough for Him to put the brakes on to begin with. I'm not as cynical as I sound, as many of our friends are divorced and remarried, and they know my position, but still feel comfortable with me. I'm a little more lenient, actually. I always said that the first divorce can be anyone's fault. The second divorce is your fault.
 

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Matthew 19:6
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
A couple things there - God joins them together. Does this mean that every marriage carried out by man is ordained by God? No. Fact of the matter is He is not going to put you with someone you cannot bear. As Tim said, that pretty much comes down to your own fault. It goes back to knowing the fruit of a person.Secondly, the two become one. In marriage, what the other does falls right back on you, and the vice versa is true.I think I'm probably as cynical as Tim in these hypothetical marriage because it seems a great bit of common sense is lacking.In fact, spiritual discernment is lacking. I think it impossible for someone nonChristian to fake being Christian.
 

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HammerStone said:
Matthew 19:6

Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
A couple things there - God joins them together. Does this mean that every marriage carried out by man is ordained by God? No. Fact of the matter is He is not going to put you with someone you cannot bear. As Tim said, that pretty much comes down to your own fault. It goes back to knowing the fruit of a person.Secondly, the two become one. In marriage, what the other does falls right back on you, and the vice versa is true.I think I'm probably as cynical as Tim in these hypothetical marriage because it seems a great bit of common sense is lacking.In fact, spiritual discernment is lacking. I think it impossible for someone nonChristian to fake being Christian.
WOW!!! That was right on!!! I can relate to that... You absolutely have to take a 50/50 responsibility.... I'm having to accept that right now.... Its a nasty cookie to swallow, but you gotta.. Well played, sir!
 

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Geshem said:
We were discussing this recently, and I wondered about other believers' opinions regarding the subject.[1] A man and woman have a several-month-long relationship during which the woman is faithful about attending church with him, seems to be fine with the church, and while she says she is a believer, through their six weeks of church-mandated counseling never gives any indication that she is of another religion. Within a couple weeks after they marry, she informs the husband that she is of another religion, which he would consider a cult, and she will no longer be attending his church.[2] A widowed man and woman have a several-month-long relationship during which the man never mentions that before they met, he had molested his daughter. She also has a daughter, and unaware of this, they marry. Years later, his daughter tells what had happened. He denies what she says, but the woman tells the man that believes the daughter. He finally admits that the daughter is right.[3] A man and woman have a several-month-long relationship resulting in marriage. Within weeks after the marriage, they start receiving collections bills for credit cards she had acquired before the marriage, that she had neither mentioned to him nor paid in the last four months.[4] A man and woman have a several-month-long relationship during which the man was loving, caring, and gentle. During the honeymoon, he informs her he had never loved her and he thinks she is unattractive, but he felt pushed into the marriage by his parents.Regarding each individual case:Biblically speaking, are these legitimate marriages? Why or why not?Based upon the provided information, are there biblical grounds for divorce? Why or why not?Upon divorce in any of the cases, are the biblical grounds for remarriage the man? for the woman? Why or why not?
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Suppose, for each case, the wounded spouse initially decided to stay with the wounding spouse. Two years later, [1] The woman who is is of another religion becomes beligerant and non-supportive.[2] The man who abused his daughter becomes beligerant and non-supportive.[3] The woman with the unpaid credit cards becomes beligerant and non-supportive.[4] The unloving man becomes beligerant and non-supportive.Regarding each individual case:Biblically speaking, are these legitimate marriages? Why or why not?Based upon the provided information, are there biblical grounds for divorce? Why or why not?Upon divorce in any of the cases, are the biblical grounds for remarriage the man? for the woman? Why or why not?
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Suppose, for each case, the wounded spouse initially decided to stay with the wounding spouse. Two years later, [1] The woman who is is of another religion starts seeing another man.[2] The man who abused his daughter is caught watching Internet porn.[3] The woman with the unpaid credit cards starts seeing another man.[4] The unloving man is caught watching Internet porn.Regarding each individual case:Biblically speaking, are these legitimate marriages? Why or why not?Based upon the provided information, are there biblical grounds for divorce? Why or why not?Upon divorce in any of the cases, are the biblical grounds for remarriage the man? for the woman? Why or why not?
The Christian ALWAYS sticks at the marriage no matter what. We really are too carnal with this!!!!! The reality is that people RUN from Jesus. They divorce you. They commit adultery on you. You please God and stick at the marriage. Though let them go if they leave you (adultery = leave). If they choose to stay...GUESS WHAT???? They choose to stay with you AND JESUS!!!!!

Matt 16:25 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.

1. The guy is not close to God to have not see through her. He must be the Christian and stick at it.
2. Terrible mortal sin from the guy. There is no way this guy will stick with a good Christian / be faithful to her / God will not cause him to move on if he chooses to remain as such ''one capable of mortal sin''. She must be the good Christian and stick at it.
3. Answered above.
4. She (the Christian) sticks at it. She lets him go if that is what he wants. The Christian NEVER does the 'leaving'.
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1 - 4. God looks after His children. The good Christian who stuck it out to please God will receive God's provision irrespective of the non-Christian spouses past Matt 6:26.

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1. Adultery = them leaving = Christian lets them go = Christian files for divorce.
2. Christian wife encourages him to therapy before his mortal sin returns.
3. See 1 above.
4. See 2 above.
 

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Ephesians 5:28

"So husbands should care for their wives as if their lives depended on it, the same way they care for their own bodies. As you love her you ultimately are loving part of yourself. (remember, you are one flesh)"
 

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Geshem,

I personally know four couples who fit two of the scenarios you mentioned.
All of the couples were made up of people who said they were Christians before they were married; all ended in divorce.

The thing that was consistent in all of those relationships was that none of them really ever prayed about God’s will regarding their relationship (this was their confession). They wanted what they wanted, and convinced themselves that it was God’s will for them to get married. Two of the couples didn’t even last three months before separating.

I do not think divorce for these issues is Biblical; unless one of the spouses was forced into the marriage, chained up and held captive (I have heard of this happening, brainwashing too).

Jacob was planning to marry Rachel, he went to the marriage bed expecting Rachel. He consummated the marriage thinking in his mind and heart that he was with Rachel, but when he woke up it was Leah. Still, despite the deception, there was no divorce. Jacob was a man, he rushed into the marriage bed, didn’t even think to light a candle, perhaps he was tipsy from the wedding feast. The point is he was a full grown man who failed to check, and he stuck with his decision, he kept Leah as his wife. Sad situation, but God used it for His purposes. The same is true for the marriages like the ones you mentioned.

As emotional, googly-eyed, and giddy a romantic relationship makes us, it’s important to seek God, to be sober-minded, and to shed as much light on your intended as possible. It’s another topic, but this is one reason why it seems people shouldn’t date until they are doing so with serious intentions of marrying the person they are dating.