Mary is all powerful!

[theefaith]

It's a difficult question to answer.

shall not prevail against the church founded by Christ! Matt 16:18-19

brothers does not make them children of Mary
The twelve sons of Jacob are all brothers but have four different mothers

Mary womb is sacred and only gives birth to Christ lk 1:42
And no sex ever lk 1:34

 

[theefaith]

The woman represents Israel.

how do you know?

I say Mary cos the child is Jesus and Mary is his mother?

israel was not the adversary of satan but crucified Christ with satan

and the children of Mary vs 17 keep the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus
Israel does not

 

[theefaith]

She wasn’t even powerful enough to save herself … so by definition, that makes her LESS THAN ALL powerful.

I never said she was God or all powerful according to nature but according to grace cos her son is God!

 

[theefaith]

Yes, she shall (future tense) live, in the time of the resurrection to come, but now she sleeps in the dust of the earth in the first death. Read the context of John 11. It's about resurrection.


The woman isn't Mary. It's the old testament church. It's a symbol of God's people BEFORE the Messiah/Christ is born, NOT AFTER.

the child IS JESUS
Mary is his mother!

Jesus IS the resurrection and the life
Jn 14:6 I AM THE LIFE

 

[theefaith]

Yes, someday Mary shall live again in a new body after her son returns.

Jesus said: I AM!!!

I am the resurrection and the life
The way the truth and the life!

only God can say that

only God can command existence!

only God can command the change of existing substance!

Matthew 26:26-28
And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

He took bread and wine and changed its substance into His own body and blood! Only God can do so!

He is God!

 

[theefaith]

The church never wrote anything. The New Testament was written by individuals.

The church wrote it

It is the possession of the church and can only be interpreted by the church with her valid hierarchical jurisdictional authority from Christ.


The doctrine of the “Bible alone” or the “Bible is the only source of authority”

Deny’s the divine tradition: Christ teaching the apostles in person.

Deny’s the power of the Holy Spirit: to guide the apostles into all truth, Jn 16:13 and to governing the church.

Deny’s the apostolic tradition:
Authority to define scripture:
Authority to interpret scripture:
Authority to teach the entire divine revelation.

Denys the authority other than the “Bible alone! Including
Divine authority
Apostolic authority
angelic authority
Civil authority
Parental authority


Restricts the divine revelation and the word of God to scripture alone.

Provides no authority to know what is scripture.
Provides no authority to know what is not scripture.
Provides no authority to safeguard and protect scripture from errors.
Provides no authority to teach scripture without error.
Provides no authority to interpret scripture.

Reasons to oppose the doctrine of the “Bible alone”

Blind or illiterate and cannot read scripture. (Most people before the 20th century were illiterate)
Rare & Expensive (even after the printing press)
Faith comets by hearing not reading.


The Bible alone does not teach the doctrine of the “Bible alone”.

Biblical reference to authority other than the Bible alone.
Matt 16:18-19
Matt 18:18
Matt 28:18-20
Matt 18:17
Jn 20:21-23
Acts 2:42
Acts 8:31
1 Tim 3:15


When God called abram, Moses, the prophets, John the Baptist, and apostles it was not by the “Bible alone” Lk 3:2 the word of God came to John in the wilderness… a book did not fall out of the sky.


There is no list of scripture in scripture!

How does a person know what books, chapters, and verses are scripture and which ones are not?


The word of God is not limited to the “Bible alone”!

The word of God came to Abraham, to Moses, the prophets, and to John the Baptist in the wilderness (Lk3:2) but it did not come by the Bible, or the “Bible alone” not by any book, chapter, or verse!


Scripture all scripture is inspired, all the books and chapters of the canonical scripture authorized by Christ and His church!

The teaching authority of the apostles is the God breathed word of God!

Jn 20:23 He breathed on them (the apostles) and said receive the Holy Spirit…

Lk 10:16 he who hears you (the apostles) hears me. (Hears the word of God)

Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, I send you.

Acts 2:42 the doctrine of the apostles is the word of God!

Matt 28:18-20

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

1 Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ

1 Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

(The apostles received the word of God and handed it down to us, partly in the scripture)

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

All scripture is inspired! 2 Tim 3:16
(Not only 66 books with missing chapters)

2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.

Did the apostle John possess the truth? Or only when He wrote it down did it become the truth?

Is what He taught only mere human tradition of men? But what He wrote was the inspired word?

Why is there joy complete in the person of the apostle?


The doctrine of the “Bible alone”
or that the church believes by the “Bible alone” is a heresy!


The truth is revealed by God thru Christ and taught by His church with the unity of the spirit and obedience of faith! Jude 1:3 Matt 28:19
One shepherd & on flock!
Jn 10:16


Scripture challenge!

Show me from or in “the Bible alone”?

1) a list (not contents) of the Ten Commandments.

2) what things is Lk 1:49 referring to.

3) what Christ commanded his apostles in Matt 28:20

4) a list of scripture (books chapters) in scripture?



Not in Bible not important
Acts 8 the eunuch had scripture, God sent an apostle to teach him!
Lk 3:2 the word of God came unto John in the wilderness, a book did not fall out of the sky!
Jn 21:25 many more things than those in scripture!
2 Jn 1:12 the apostle in person makes their joy complete not scripture!


Essential doctrine:
Some doctrines are necessary and some are not is error, it is unlawful and forbidden to reject a truth revealed by God, who can neither deceive or be deceived.

Examples of oral tradition! (Teaching)

Peter speaks at Pentecost acts 2
Paul speaks at Athens acts
Even Christ teaching the divine revelation to His apostles in person.

WHEN???

When did it become divine revelation?
When did it become the inspired word of God?

When it was Spoken by Christ to His apostles?

When it was taught by the apostles?

When it was Written down decades latter?

When it was canonized by the supreme Roman pontiff in 381?

When did it become the inspired word of God?

If only when written down (Bible alone) then when it was spoken it should have been rejected as mere human tradition or the tradition of men, and therefore they would not possess the truths revealed by God and could not write scripture!

If you believe the false doctrine of the “Bible alone is the only authority” then you must reject the authority of Christ and His apostles!

It is an error to believe that the office or authority of the apostles ended with the apostle John and public revelation, revelation was complete with the apostle John but the teaching authority or office of the apostles must continue till the return of Jesus Christ! Matt 28:19-20 I am with you (the apostles) unto the end of the world.

Tongues of fire at Pentecost represent the light of divine Truth and the fire of divine Love!

The apostles possessed the Authority of Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit in their persons!










Questions about the doctrine of the “Bible alone” or the “Bible is our only authority”?

How can we know what is scripture?

How can we know what is not scripture?

How can we safeguard and protect scripture from errors?

Who has authority to teach scripture without error?

Where does scripture say: “the Bible alone”?

Why does scripture support tradition? The teaching authority of the apostles?

Who has authority to Authentically interpret scripture?

Where does it say the word of God is limited to the “Bible alone”?

Why does scripture teach the authority of Christ in His church in the persons of the apostles?
AKA The Apostolic Tradition (teaching)

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Praise honor veneration and devotion redound to the Glory of God who created Mary immaculate Lk 1:49 and Christ source of all grace! Jn 1:16-17

Praise, honor, veneration, and devotion are not worship, worship requires intent!

And it's the INTENT of Catholics to get their Mary thing to Arm twist their "version" of Jesus to give 'em what they want. The very definition of "Worship".

 

[theefaith]

You cannot even reason . When i read that i knew what it meant , it simply meant she had no children . WE CANT and wont have
children after death . THUS your reasoning makes no sense . Anyone knows , or should know , we dont have kids
after we die .
This type of reasoning only proves you cannot let go of what men have taught you .
You aint alone in this , i see many protestants that twist stuff and try and make the bible seem hard to grasp
SO as they too can have power over the people . PS , it dont and wont work on a lamb .
PSSP , give it up thee faith , this dear sister wont be going to ROME . HER HOME is with KING JESUS
and HE keeps her safe from dangerous places .

i suppose you have a personal covenant with Christ?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Not a myth, just your misreading and misunderstanding of the texts.

They are sons and daughters of Joseph, not Mary. Read more carefully.

BUT Jesus Read the scroll in the temple (Luke 4:16) AS WAS HIS CUSTOM. That fact alone would make him the ELDEST SON in Joseph's absence, so the myth of "Joseph's kids from a former marriage" (the "OLD JOSEPH" BS) is a phony as a three dollar bill. THERE ARE NO "BIBLICAL VERSES" supporting "perpetual virginity", Immaculate conception, Assumption, No half-siblings, etc. Nothing but Roman Catholic "Traditional Garbage".

 

[theefaith]

None of these people are Biblical authors, so they are just people's opinions. Sola scriptura!

the apostles have no authority in your opinion!

 

[theefaith]

I have never seen Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, or Peter walking around anywhere. So you have made another false statement when you wrote "God initiated each covenant and the mediator always remains on earth mediating the covenant except for Christ who made Peter His personal representative and vicar". Also, Peter, the man who denied Christ three times, was the apostle to the Jews, and a hypocrite (see below), was never made Christ's "personal representative and vicar"

Galatians 2:14, "When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas [Peter] in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?"

customs are a matter of discipline not faith and morals

explain Matt 16:18-19 please

 

[theefaith]

More questions here

Jesus Christ is the rock of salvation!

Peter is the rock that the church is built on by Christ alone!

Lk 22
All apostles But Jesus prays for Peter alone

Jn 21:17 Peter entrusted with the flock or church

Only Peter and His successors have
Jurisdictional authority from Christ to govern the church!

Already acting in the person of Christ even acting as intermediary!

It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself!

Matt 17:24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the houser, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself! Matt 17:27

Jesus Christ gives the keys of the kingdom to peter matt 16:18-19 making him prime minister applying Isa 22:21-22 to peter

It’s Christ who does this

Why is the name of peter even mentioned?

Why does Christ change Peter’s name, God changing a persons name like Abram to Abraham or Jacob to Israel always signifies a mission or ministry!

Why does Christ give him the keys of jurisdictional authority that the prime minister holds under the king to administer the kingdom? Isa 22:21-22

How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?


also have to explain
Isa 22:21-22 jurisdictional authority of the keys and called father
Matt 28:19 go teach baptize
Jn 20:21-23 same mission power and authority as christ
Eph 2:20 church built on the apostles
Matt 23 successors of Moses have the jurisdictional authority and the power to bind and loose which Christ says must be obeyed, then taken from them matt 21:43 given to Peter and the apostles and their successors

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.



Applies only to Peter as “prince of the apostles”!

Peter and his successors are the Leader of the apostles and the head of the church until Christ returns!

Matt 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter,

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Lk 22:32 Christ prayed for Peter!

Peter is head of the church on earth in the place of Christ until His return!

Isa 22:21-22 21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Matt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matt 23:1 power and authority of the kingdom known in the keys and binding and loosing, Matt 21:43 kingdom shall be taken from you given to another who will bear fruit. (Peter the apostles in holy church Lk 22:29)

Matt 17:27 Jesus identified peter with himself.

Matt 16:17 Peter alone received revelation from the Father

Lk 22:32 Peter to strengthen his brethren (the apostles)

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep

Peter exercises his authority over the apostles and the church!

Acts 1:15
Acts 3:4
Acts 5:5 5:10
Acts 15:7

ONLY TO PETER CHRIST SAID: THOU ART PETER AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILT MY CHURCH, AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT!Matt 16:18

Peter is the prime minister, father, and head of the church on earth until Christ returns Isa 22:21-22

Seat of peter remains Until Christ returns
Matt 28:19-20


Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.


Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

4 important questions:

1) How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

2) How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

3) How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?

4) why did Christ give the keys to Peter (and only to Peter) keys of jurisdictional authority. Isa 22:21-22 why even bother to mention Peter if he is not involved?

Explain Jn 20:21 Peter and the apostles and their successors have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! “As the father sent me, so I send you”!

Matt 28:19 christ communicates his authority to peter and the apostles to teach all nations, baptize all disciples!
Jn 20:21-23 apostles even have authority to forgive sins
Eph 2:20 church built on the apostles
Matt 23 the authority and power of the successors of Moses required to be obeyed are taken from them and given to Peter and the apostles

Jn 21:17
Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:

2 Tim 3: 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
(Protestants, fundamentalists, etc.)

Christ and His church are one!
God cannot reveal error and the church cannot teach error!

True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics like luther, calvin, etc. but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!






Questions about Jesus, Peter, and the keys!

How can Jesus be the builder and the church being built?

If Christ is the rock:

1) Why does Christ even mention Peter?

2) Why did Christ change Peter’s name? (Indicating an office or ministry, similar to Abram & Jacob)

3) Why did Christ give the keys to Peter? (and only to Peter) keys of jurisdictional authority. (Refer to Isa 22:21-22)

4) Why does Christ identify peter with himself! Matt 17:27
Where is the coin for the other apostles?

5) Why is Peter commanded to feed Christ’s sheep (the other apostles) and the lambs? (The people)
Jn 21:17

If Peter’s confession is the rock:

1) How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

2) How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

3) How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?

 

[theefaith]

A lot of words of no effect my friend . Should have stuck with the scriptures .

why?

the same teaching authority is here as that which gave us scripture!
Which says what is scripture!
Which gives the authorized interpretation of scripture!

the teaching authority of Christ in his church

 

[theefaith]

A lot of words of no effect my friend . Should have stuck with the scriptures .

timothy was a disciple of Paul

polycarp a disciple of John

same teaching

 

[theefaith]

A lot of words of no effect my friend . Should have stuck with the scriptures .

they are the successors of the apostles and have authority

same as the successors of Moses who jesus said to obey in Matt 23

 

[Jim B]

why?

the same teaching authority is here as that which gave us scripture!
Which says what is scripture!
Which gives the authorized interpretation of scripture!

the teaching authority of Christ in his church

I am not sure what these comments mean.

The Bible, a.k.a, Scripture is the written words of God. If the teachings of the church contradict what Scripture says then the teachings of the church are in error. Tons and tons of nonsense have been added to the teachings of the Bible by people who claim to speak in God's name. The RCC is the worst offender but they aren't alone.

Sola Scriptura.

 

[Jim B]

they are the successors of the apostles and have authority

same as the successors of Moses who jesus said to obey in Matt 23

You are using Matthew 23 to justify your opinion? Really? Let's have a look... (with my emphases)

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

“Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.

“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted."

There is no better Scripture than this to negate your doctrine.

 

[amigo de christo]

the church must be universal
Jw’s Sda’s Lds don’t qualify

Yeah i dont follow those doctrines either . I told you , i keep to the biblical pattern
and by the grace of GOD and HIS indwelling Spirit i have been kept safe and far from the leaven of men .
Time for you to do the same . Flee the CC , she is er bit as deadly and dangerous .
The true church is still in this world , and the LORD keeps it safe from the deceptoins of men who can APPEAR
righteous yet indeed within are full of the doctrines and leavens of men . Hurry thee faith , Hurry
and return to the bible and flee the CC .

 

[amigo de christo]

they are the successors of the apostles and have authority

same as the successors of Moses who jesus said to obey in Matt 23

The sad thing is , even the treachers pharisees who said but did not
were even less dangerous than the wolves that crept into christainity and yet preached another jesus and another gospel .
That apostolic tradition you think is true , i have read what some of them taught
and its in direct opposition to GOD , to CHRIST and to what the orginal apostels did teach .
Yet you cannot see it . And the CC has taught you well on how to twist things in order to justify very clear errors .
Now that my friend is a real scary place to be .
Real scary .
Truly it is .
You are so determined that the apostels of the CC who made cliam they were following in the steps and lineage of the true apostels
are indeed true . AND YET have long forgotten that they should have been tested and tried .
Cause i have tested and tried some of them , and have found them liars . You dont do that .
You just took the word of mouth of the CC as trusted that they are true . And yet i see very clearly
that they indeed have twisted things and brought confusion and error and blasphmey right into the peoples .

 

[theefaith]

You wrote that "We must submit and obey the king of kings!

And His authorized ministers that He Himself appointed!

Matt 16:18-19 & 28:28 eph 2:20 Jn 20:21-23"

Except all "His authorized ministers" mentioned in those verses are dead.

You got one thing right in all your posts...

We must obey the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Jesus Christ.

Congratulations on agreeing with Scripture -- once!

Sola Scriptura.

and His authority ministers which remain to the end

there must be successors of the apostles to administer the kingdom till Christ returns

the kingdom was taken from them and given to the apostles

Christ commanded them to be obeyed so the same applies to the apostles who Christ appointed the kingdom refer Matt 23