Mary, Jesus' mother.
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aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Good question...I only saw where other's referred to Mary as Jesus' mother but not Jesus himself...I wonder why He did'nt ?
Mary is referred to as God's handmaid...Jesus Himself as Son of His handmaid.
Psa_116:16 O LORD, truly I am thy servant; I am thy servant, and the son of thine handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds.
But no reference to mother....
Psa_116:16 O LORD, truly I am thy servant; I am thy servant, and the son of thine handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds.
But no reference to mother....
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
There are quite a few references to Mary as Jesus's mother. but there is no record that Jesus ever called her mother.
During the visitation, Elizabeth greeted Mary as the mother of our Lord.
Hi aspen2, I don't know what you mean by Elizabeth's visitation...is this in the Bible ?
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
The emphasis placed on Mary is man attempting to place man,or in this case woman,on equal footing with God....works for the feminist i guess.
Webers_Home
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I hope this comment doesn't de-rail the thread; but I can't help but be a bit
puzzled why the Lord's mom wasn't out at the cemetery on resurrection
morning. Search the list of names of the women who went out to the Lord's
gravesite, and you will not find her mentioned among them; nor is she
mentioned among the witnesses listed at 1Cor 15:1-8 who saw Christ back
from the dead.
Any truly loving mother would want to be on hand when her boy was
restored to life and his injuries healed. Surely that would be just as much
cause for a joyous reunion as a son coming home alive and well from the
wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Mary loved her boy deeply; there can be no doubt about that because it was
predicted while he was yet an infant that the Lord would cause his mom to
experience the pain of a sword piercing her soul (Luke 2:35) which I take to
mean she experienced a depth of anguish at the Lord's crucifixion that only a
mother who's watched her own precious flesh and blood mutilated and
put to death with can truly understand how that really feels.
So I believe, with all my own parental heart, that the Lord's mom would
have been the very first person out at the cemetery on Easter morning if for
no other reason than to be there just in case what her son predicted about
his three days and three nights resurrection might actually be true. I think
she would have been out there with food and water, and a fresh change of
clothing like any normal mother would do for a child who's survived a
terrible ordeal. My wife and I would certainly have been out there for our
own son if for no other reason than to give him a ride home.
Anybody who's watched the televised home-comings of servicemen
returning from Iraq and/or Afghanistan; have seen for themselves what that
does to the emotions of kin waiting for their loved one's safe return. And
where do the families typically wait? At home? No, they mostly wait at the
airport; sometimes several hours ahead of arrival times. If Mary had
sincerely believed that her boy was going to return from his ordeal in just
three days; there's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that she would have
already been out there on Easter morning way before anybody else arrived.
(I guarantee that had Christ been my wife's son, and she was confident he'd
be back within three days; she would have gone straight to REI and bought
a tent and sleeping bag so she could camp-out in the graveyard all three of
those days)
Plus: it was forty days before the Lord ascended to heaven. Why isn't it
mentioned that he visited his mom before leaving? . . . that is: if he even
did.
Well; in my opinion, the Bible's authors-- under the Holy Spirit's supervision
--deliberately marginalized the Lord's mom as a precaution against the female
principle in worship so prevalent in some of the ancient pagan religions.
Christianity's focus is supposed to be upon a man rather than the man's
mom.
†. Luke 9:35 . . A voice came from the cloud, saying: This is my Son, whom
I have chosen; listen to him.
People trafficking with the Lord's mom just might be lacking one of the supernatural
elements of New Testament Christianity.
†. Gal 4:6 . . And because you are sons, God has sent forth the spirit of His
son into your hearts calling out: Abba! Father.
Abba is an Aramaic word that means, among other things, dad, daddy, pop,
papa, padre, da-da, or father, et al. It's not a formal word; but rather, pretty
much informal because it's a family vocative. What I mean is: when I'm
puttering around out in the garage and my son and his mother are in the
kitchen talking about me, the noun "dad" is just who I am to my boy. But
when he wants to get my attention by calling out: Dad! Where are you?
then dad becomes a vocative.
What that boils down to is this: the spirit of God's son always compels
Christ's people to call out to a father, never to a mother and the reason for
that is actually quite simple. The Bible's Christ never prays to a mother, nor
did he ever pray to a mother; but always to a father: hence those inhabited
by Christ's spirit will do the very same thing.
That, by the way, is a pretty good litmus test. If somebody is comfortable
praying to the Lord's mom, then there's a very strong possibility that they
are probably not inhabited by the spirit of God's son; and that would be a
very grave state of affairs.
†. Rom 8:9 . . If anyone doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he doesn't belong
to Christ.
†. 2Cor 13:5-6 . . Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith.
Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?
--unless indeed you are rejects.
Cliff
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I hope this comment doesn't de-rail the thread; but I can't help but be a bit
puzzled why the Lord's mom wasn't out at the cemetery on resurrection
morning. Search the list of names of the women who went out to the Lord's
gravesite, and you will not find her mentioned among them; nor is she
mentioned among the witnesses listed at 1Cor 15:1-8 who saw Christ back
from the dead.
Any truly loving mother would want to be on hand when her boy was
restored to life and his injuries healed. Surely that would be just as much
cause for a joyous reunion as a son coming home alive and well from the
wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Mary loved her boy deeply; there can be no doubt about that because it was
predicted while he was yet an infant that the Lord would cause his mom to
experience the pain of a sword piercing her soul (Luke 2:35) which I take to
mean she experienced a depth of anguish at the Lord's crucifixion that only a
mother who's watched her own precious flesh and blood mutilated and
put to death with can truly understand how that really feels.
So I believe, with all my own parental heart, that the Lord's mom would
have been the very first person out at the cemetery on Easter morning if for
no other reason than to be there just in case what her son predicted about
his three days and three nights resurrection might actually be true. I think
she would have been out there with food and water, and a fresh change of
clothing like any normal mother would do for a child who's survived a
terrible ordeal. My wife and I would certainly have been out there for our
own son if for no other reason than to give him a ride home.
Anybody who's watched the televised home-comings of servicemen
returning from Iraq and/or Afghanistan; have seen for themselves what that
does to the emotions of kin waiting for their loved one's safe return. And
where do the families typically wait? At home? No, they mostly wait at the
airport; sometimes several hours ahead of arrival times. If Mary had
sincerely believed that her boy was going to return from his ordeal in just
three days; there's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that she would have
already been out there on Easter morning way before anybody else arrived.
(I guarantee that had Christ been my wife's son, and she was confident he'd
be back within three days; she would have gone straight to REI and bought
a tent and sleeping bag so she could camp-out in the graveyard all three of
those days)
Plus: it was forty days before the Lord ascended to heaven. Why isn't it
mentioned that he visited his mom before leaving? . . . that is: if he even
did.
Well; in my opinion, the Bible's authors-- under the Holy Spirit's supervision
--deliberately marginalized the Lord's mom as a precaution against the female
principle in worship so prevalent in some of the ancient pagan religions.
Christianity's focus is supposed to be upon a man rather than the man's
mom.
†. Luke 9:35 . . A voice came from the cloud, saying: This is my Son, whom
I have chosen; listen to him.
People trafficking with the Lord's mom just might be lacking one of the supernatural
elements of New Testament Christianity.
†. Gal 4:6 . . And because you are sons, God has sent forth the spirit of His
son into your hearts calling out: Abba! Father.
Abba is an Aramaic word that means, among other things, dad, daddy, pop,
papa, padre, da-da, or father, et al. It's not a formal word; but rather, pretty
much informal because it's a family vocative. What I mean is: when I'm
puttering around out in the garage and my son and his mother are in the
kitchen talking about me, the noun "dad" is just who I am to my boy. But
when he wants to get my attention by calling out: Dad! Where are you?
then dad becomes a vocative.
What that boils down to is this: the spirit of God's son always compels
Christ's people to call out to a father, never to a mother and the reason for
that is actually quite simple. The Bible's Christ never prays to a mother, nor
did he ever pray to a mother; but always to a father: hence those inhabited
by Christ's spirit will do the very same thing.
That, by the way, is a pretty good litmus test. If somebody is comfortable
praying to the Lord's mom, then there's a very strong possibility that they
are probably not inhabited by the spirit of God's son; and that would be a
very grave state of affairs.
†. Rom 8:9 . . If anyone doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he doesn't belong
to Christ.
†. 2Cor 13:5-6 . . Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith.
Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?
--unless indeed you are rejects.
Cliff
/
I have come to judge any church by where it places Jesus and where it places man,if Jesus is anywhere except on the throne and man is anywhere except at the foot of the cross i walk away.
MOTHERHOOD
Mariah was a lovely mother.
She showed Christ Jesus faith when she
asked him, her very son, no other,
if he could wine from water free.
Mariah was a lovely mother.
She showed Christ Jesus faith when she
asked him, her very son, no other,
if he could wine from water free.
maybe you should then also only look to Jesus words then and reject what the apostles say as well then ? one may get a better idea at a study from that prospective and then go look into what the apostles are saying and then look see at who and the position that Jesus mother is about.
Now Mary can not just be tossed aside and thrown in the bin, can she ? and why is that you may ask. well i can say without Mary there is no Jesus, as he would not of come about now would he ? the point i am making is that she exist and is not to be cast down or aside because that would give Satan a helping hand.
Now a lot of people start this stupidity of saying a whole lot of garbage ranting and raving about Mary being worshiped on the same level as Christ. and that is not true at all, if one understands the RCC true position. and any RC that worships Mother Mary in that way would be condemned for it by the RCC..
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Mary is fully redeemed today - she is an example of what God can do with a humble, obedient heart. Hopefully, we will all be redeemed like her and all the other saints, one day.
We were all created more than an earthen vessel and with God's justification and sanctification we will all be returned to creations we were intended to be before teh Fall.
Yes i agree with you to.
Why do people want to drag Mary and the Saints down as just noting. could be they do not aspire to anything at all.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
I know! They do not realize that when they insult Mary, the creation; they are in fact, insulting the creator.
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