Mary the Queen of Heaven?

[amigo de christo]

Translation:
"I have NO way of refuting the truth you presented."

That's pretty much what I thought . . .

WHY how odd your response is .
That man DONT EVEN KNOW YOU and yet HE prayed for wisdom
and what a truthful answer came back to him .
YOU HAVE ALWAYS r esisted the truth people bring to you . Better repent and better open bible FOR YOU .

 

[amigo de christo]

buils?
Yes, shrines all over the world that are associated with miracles, that is a good thing.
And Marian altars in churches and Marian altars in homes, that is a good thing.'
How many more pictures of Marian altars with people kneeling in front of them with their hands folded in prayer do you want?
You need homework on how to be honest with people and yourself.

Understanding Marian Altars​

Marian altars are devotional altars dedicated to the Blessed Virgin Mary, used for prayer, veneration, and liturgical or domestic devotion.

What They Are​

A Marian altar is an altar specifically consecrated to Mary, the Mother of God, often featuring images, statues, or icons of her, and sometimes accompanied by saints associated with her. In Catholic tradition, these altars can be:

• Church altars: Such as the Marian Altar in the Shrine of St. Joseph in St. Louis, MO, which includes side altars for private daily Masses and devotional use
• Home altars: Smaller altars in private prayer spaces, often with Marian statues, icons, and altar cloths Etsy+1.
• Liturgical altars: Used in churches for special feasts or ongoing devotion to Mary

Historical and Religious Context​

Marian altars have deep roots in Catholic devotion. In churches, they were historically used for private Masses and devotional prayer by parishioners. They often feature symbolic elements:

• Top section: Angels (faith, Queen of Heaven and Earth) and saints like St. Cecilia and St. Agnes
• Center: The Blessed Virgin Mary with the Child Jesus
• Bottom section: Saints such as St. Justus of Beauvais

In the broader Catholic tradition, Marian altars are linked to Lady chapels—side chapels in cathedrals dedicated to Mary —and to devotional practices like the Rosary, Marian feasts, and acts of reparation

Examples and Sources​

• Shrine of St. Joseph, St. Louis, MO: Features a detailed Marian Altar with saints and symbolic imagery
• King Richards: Offers antique Marian side altars made of plaster or wood, often matching reredos and other altar pieces
• Etsy: Sells Marian altar cloths, lace trims, statues, and decorative items for home altars.

How to Use or Obtain One​

• In a church: Marian altars are often part of the church’s liturgical layout or devotional areas.
• At home: You can create a Marian altar with a statue or icon of Mary, an altar cloth, candles, and personal devotional items
• Purchase: Antique or new altars are available from religious suppliers, artisans, and online marketplaces

In short: Marian altars are a tangible expression of devotion to Mary, blending art, liturgy, and personal prayer, and they can be found in both sacred and domestic settings.

never bow too or make excuse for IDOLATRY . do not bend the knee to a harlot or forever she will lead you into only
g reater and greater darkness .
That is just a friendly reminder and not hate speech or accusations . Just keep exposing it .

 

[amigo de christo]

buils?
Yes, shrines all over the world that are associated with miracles, that is a good thing.
And Marian altars in churches and Marian altars in homes, that is a good thing.'
How many more pictures of Marian altars with people kneeling in front of them with their hands folded in prayer do you want?
You need homework on how to be honest with people and yourself.

Understanding Marian Altars​

Marian altars are devotional altars dedicated to the Blessed Virgin Mary, used for prayer, veneration, and liturgical or domestic devotion.

What They Are​

A Marian altar is an altar specifically consecrated to Mary, the Mother of God, often featuring images, statues, or icons of her, and sometimes accompanied by saints associated with her. In Catholic tradition, these altars can be:

• Church altars: Such as the Marian Altar in the Shrine of St. Joseph in St. Louis, MO, which includes side altars for private daily Masses and devotional use
• Home altars: Smaller altars in private prayer spaces, often with Marian statues, icons, and altar cloths Etsy+1.
• Liturgical altars: Used in churches for special feasts or ongoing devotion to Mary

Historical and Religious Context​

Marian altars have deep roots in Catholic devotion. In churches, they were historically used for private Masses and devotional prayer by parishioners. They often feature symbolic elements:

• Top section: Angels (faith, Queen of Heaven and Earth) and saints like St. Cecilia and St. Agnes
• Center: The Blessed Virgin Mary with the Child Jesus
• Bottom section: Saints such as St. Justus of Beauvais

In the broader Catholic tradition, Marian altars are linked to Lady chapels—side chapels in cathedrals dedicated to Mary —and to devotional practices like the Rosary, Marian feasts, and acts of reparation

Examples and Sources​

• Shrine of St. Joseph, St. Louis, MO: Features a detailed Marian Altar with saints and symbolic imagery
• King Richards: Offers antique Marian side altars made of plaster or wood, often matching reredos and other altar pieces
• Etsy: Sells Marian altar cloths, lace trims, statues, and decorative items for home altars.

How to Use or Obtain One​

• In a church: Marian altars are often part of the church’s liturgical layout or devotional areas.
• At home: You can create a Marian altar with a statue or icon of Mary, an altar cloth, candles, and personal devotional items
• Purchase: Antique or new altars are available from religious suppliers, artisans, and online marketplaces

In short: Marian altars are a tangible expression of devotion to Mary, blending art, liturgy, and personal prayer, and they can be found in both sacred and domestic settings.

warn and keep warning .

 

[amigo de christo]

lol yes that is a good one and it does remind me of the double standard of things. Like people complaining about quoting the Church Fathers when their own theology is heavily based on the interpretation of a Magisterial Reformer.


On a different yet similar note on the Apologetics front I have been doing some work on Calvinism (Who are the most challenging of Protestants). Now lots of people have issues with them over predestination etc. but there are some really low hanging fruit on Calvin's position against Rites, and "Binding the Conscience". In a nutshell Calvin does the opposite of his claim, he binds the conscience in a negative way by being anti-rite, rather than being more permissive. And the big irony is this goes against the usual Calvinist motifs of talking about "The original audience" or context of scripture. Basically, Calvin dogmatizes the Red Letter commands of Christ that is all Christian dogma and praxis can be based on which is high reductionistic for people in the Early Church where the New Testament was being slowly written and would not be canonized till centuries later. Basically, the Early Church had to largely due the Justin Martyr / Saint Paul thing of preaching Christ through the types and shadows of the Old Testament.

I shun the RCC as i do calvins doctrines too . so now what excuse you gonna make .
I dont just expose the RCC but a heap ton of protestantville too .
IT BIBLE TIME PAVEL . or you as will many shall wail the most heart wrenching sound on JESUS day .
As soon as you realize , what a few of us already knew . THE RCC was not the place to have sat under
any more than was calvin and the nar realm and a whole heap o protestant realm .
SO allow me to sum up a real simple solutoin to help us all who sit in either RCC or PROTESTANT VILLE .
IF YOU church is connected in any way , in any shape , to anything or anyone
ecumeincal inclusivity , GET OUT and dont look back . iTS INFILTRATING EVERYTHNG NOW .

 

[Grailhunter]

You have made it clear that you are here to defend the Catholic Church, even if that means appealing to the writings of men rather than the Word of God.

But why should I accept the writings of the early Church Fathers as authority? No one should do that.

Were their writings inspired by God? No

Second Timothy 3:16-17 tells us that Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is sufficient for doctrine, correction, and instruction in righteousness.

And this brings us to a much more serious issue.

The Catholic Church teaches a false gospel, and sadly, many people are being deceived by it.

The Catholic Church teaches that justification involves sacraments, penance, and human cooperation with grace. But Scripture says:

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Paul warned in Galatians 1:8 that anyone preaching another gospel is to be accursed. He also said in Galatians 2:21, "For if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

Salvation is not something we earn through religious ceremonies or our own righteousness. It is God's gift through faith in Jesus Christ. Good works follow genuine salvation, but they do not purchase it (Ephesians 2:10).

And what about Mary?

You claim Mary judges women while Jesus judges men. Yet John 5:22 says, "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son."

Notice that word ALL. Scripture does not divide judgment between Jesus and Mary.

First Timothy 2:5 also says, "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

So where does Scripture tell us to pray to Mary? Where does it give her authority to judge women? Where does it teach that she shares Christ's role as mediator?

You have yet to provide a single passage establishing any of those claims.

Jesus warned, "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" (Mark 7:7).

That is exactly why these teachings are dangerous. People can spend their entire lives trusting religious traditions while never understanding the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

My concern is not defending Protestantism or attacking Catholics as individuals. My concern is that people are being led away from the sufficiency of Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross.

If a church teaches something contrary to God's Word, that teaching must be rejected, regardless of how old the tradition is or how many people believe it.

So instead of directing me to the writings of men, show me from Scripture where these doctrines are taught.

God's Word is the authority, not the Catholic Church.

You are right.
Catholics are saved Christians and Protestants are saved Christians.
The modern Catholic Church is a good church, particularly after Vatican II. The Catholic Church has a horrible history with gruesome atrocities. Most of which the Church has officially apologized for.
The sad thing even during the periods of atrocities there were orders made up of men and women that did great good. But it all gets over shadowed by the atrocities.
The Catholics have different beliefs and there are Protestant denominations that have different beliefs, we should love fellow Christians.

 

[Grailhunter]

never bow too or make excuse for IDOLATRY . do not bend the knee to a harlot or forever she will lead you into only
g reater and greater darkness .
That is just a friendly reminder and not hate speech or accusations . Just keep exposing it .

Ya, God bless you, I know you don't like the Catholics. Don't waist your time belittling them to me. I love Christians. Which of the 30,000 Protestant denominations do believe in?

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, Hislop and Jack Chick have done more to pollute the nibds of Protestant that virtually ANY other source.

Make me wonder of anybody would refer to this GIGANTIC monument to some of the Protestant Father as ostentatious or idolatrous . . .
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well on the fact that even a heap of protestantville is big time polluted , YOU DO stand correct , though probably not for all
the reasons you THINK . cause the RCC is POLLUTED massively itself .
SO allow me some parting words . That might just at least be a helping start .
GET OUT OF ANYTHING ECuEMINCAL INCLUSIVE NOW . they lead you all to the peace of anti christ and NOT JESUS CHRIST .
that is a fact . one you probably cannot see . But it is a fact .
Even ya pope francis was not catholic . Though i do not support RCC .
And look at how fast his inclusive message infiltrated you realm and i think even more the protestant realm .
OF course politics keeps them all divided and distracted .
Because both sides now pump out the same inclusive anti christ wickedness unto their peoples . GET out
Get out now and do not look back . Do remember i did warn you . So you and the protestants
cannot blame me nor will i be held accountable for yalls blood on JESUS day .
I know that sounds quite rough and very grave . buT WE DO Not have the time left folks think we do .
YOU must get out , as must everyone else get out of such places NOW .

 

[amigo de christo]

You are right.
Catholics are saved Christians and Protestants are saved Christians.
The modern Catholic Church is a good church, particularly after Vatican II. The Catholic Church has a horrible history with gruesome atrocities. Most of which the Church has officially apologized for.
The sad thing even during the periods of atrocities there were orders made up of men and women that did great good. But it all gets over shadowed by the atrocities.
The Catholics have different beliefs and there are Protestant denominations that have different beliefs, we should love fellow Christians.

vatican two was as bad as was vatican one .
What on earth you talking about .
IT was just more focused on the ecumeincal time . OH but its gonna lead this world
to a far greater crusade than at any time in history . Yall been sold a false inclusive bill of rotted goods .
GET OUT of anything ecumeincal inclusive NOW . or you will go down with them all .
We dont allow anyone sitting in any bad place to feel safe . The catholics must GET OUT of it NOW
and so must any protestant sitting under wicked leaders as well .
And please dont bring the same five words to me as this g eneration is so keen to do .
dont judge God is love . cause satan himself infiltrated the churches USING such words
and as usual TWISTING Such words to fit his version of what HE says they mean .

 

[amigo de christo]

Ya, God bless you, I know you don't like the Catholics. Don't waist your time belittling them to me. I love Christians. Which of the 30,000 Protestant denominations do believe in?

you love christains you say .
THEN WHY on earth do you allow any of them to sit under anything ecumeicnal inclusivity .
that aint love at all .
And just cause i warn dont mean i hate . Just cause i correct dont mean i hate .
YOU even correct , does that mean you hate . exactly .
You just dont correct the big kahuna . the lie called love that has come in to merge us all
and not just with the vatican but all false religoins too .
You wanna love someone , warn them to flee it .

 

[David1701]

Ahh, yes – the ol’, “I don’t like your use of bolding and underlining!” nonsense.

I ALWAYS get that from people who are ill-equipped to respond to Biblical and historical truth.
Good job . . .

I gave you about a DOZEN Scripture verses that YOU were completely unable to answer.
BIBLICAL facts that YOU claim I am "not open to" . . .

How about trying to REFUTE those verses instead of running away?

It's not a case of "running away", but of highlighting the issue that keeps you from having productive conversations with anyone.

I certainly am able, and willing, to respond to biblical and historical truth; but, not hysterical untruth. To be honest, your posts come across as unhinged rantings.

 

[Grailhunter]

vatican two was as bad as was vatican one .
What on earth you talking about .
IT was just more focused on the ecumeincal time . OH but its gonna lead this world
to a far greater crusade than at any time in history . Yall been sold a false inclusive bill of rotted goods .
GET OUT of anything ecumeincal inclusive NOW . or you will go down with them all .
We dont allow anyone sitting in any bad place to feel safe . The catholics must GET OUT of it NOW
and so must any protestant sitting under wicked leaders as well .
And please dont bring the same five words to me as this g eneration is so keen to do .
dont judge God is love . cause satan himself infiltrated the churches USING such words
and as usual TWISTING Such words to fit his version of what HE says they mean .

Find a scripture that says the true religion or the true truth will happen 1500 years in the future. What were Christians to do for that 1500 year period? Yeshua endorsed the Roman Catholic Church, did He endorse the 30,000 Protestant denominations? Catholics and Protestant worship Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit, so they are all Christians.

 

[Grailhunter]

you love christains you say .
THEN WHY on earth do you allow any of them to sit under anything ecumeicnal inclusivity .
that aint love at all .
And just cause i warn dont mean i hate . Just cause i correct dont mean i hate .
YOU even correct , does that mean you hate . exactly .
You just dont correct the big kahuna . the lie called love that has come in to merge us all
and not just with the vatican but all false religoins too .
You wanna love someone , warn them to flee it .

I love Christians and stand and worship with many denominations, and non of them are perfect. And I speak against many of Ecumenical Council's decisions, which on this forum can get you in trouble. There are false beliefs that the Catholics started that the Protestants swallowed hook line and sinker.
There are a lot of different beliefs out there, but if they stand and worship Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit, I will stand with them and over look the errors in their beliefs.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

I shun the RCC as i do calvins doctrines too . so now what excuse you gonna make .
I dont just expose the RCC but a heap ton of protestantville too .
IT BIBLE TIME PAVEL . or you as will many shall wail the most heart wrenching sound on JESUS day .
As soon as you realize , what a few of us already knew . THE RCC was not the place to have sat under
any more than was calvin and the nar realm and a whole heap o protestant realm .
SO allow me to sum up a real simple solutoin to help us all who sit in either RCC or PROTESTANT VILLE .
IF YOU church is connected in any way , in any shape , to anything or anyone
ecumeincal inclusivity , GET OUT and dont look back . iTS INFILTRATING EVERYTHNG NOW .

Why does "Bible Time" sound like a Fundamentalist Protestant doing his own defacto version of the Assuming the Charism of Infallibility, where he assumes his selective interpretation of a popular translation of scripture is the same thing as channeling the mind of God? Your comment reminds me of the old adage, "You become what you hate!"

 

[Marvelloustime]

you love christains you say .
THEN WHY on earth do you allow any of them to sit under anything ecumeicnal inclusivity .
that aint love at all .
And just cause i warn dont mean i hate . Just cause i correct dont mean i hate .
YOU even correct , does that mean you hate . exactly .
You just dont correct the big kahuna . the lie called love that has come in to merge us all
and not just with the vatican but all false religoins too .
You wanna love someone , warn them to flee it .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

well on the fact that even a heap of protestantville is big time polluted , YOU DO stand correct , though probably not for all
the reasons you THINK . cause the RCC is POLLUTED massively itself .
SO allow me some parting words . That might just at least be a helping start .
GET OUT OF ANYTHING ECuEMINCAL INCLUSIVE NOW . they lead you all to the peace of anti christ and NOT JESUS CHRIST .
that is a fact . one you probably cannot see . But it is a fact .
Even ya pope francis was not catholic . Though i do not support RCC .
And look at how fast his inclusive message infiltrated you realm and i think even more the protestant realm .
OF course politics keeps them all divided and distracted .
Because both sides now pump out the same inclusive anti christ wickedness unto their peoples . GET out
Get out now and do not look back . Do remember i did warn you . So you and the protestants
cannot blame me nor will i be held accountable for yalls blood on JESUS day .
I know that sounds quite rough and very grave . buT WE DO Not have the time left folks think we do .
YOU must get out , as must everyone else get out of such places NOW .

@amigo de christo

 

[David1701]

Why does "Bible Time" sound like a Fundamentalist Protestant doing his own defacto version of the Assuming the Charism of Infallibility, where he assumes his selective interpretation of a popular translation of scripture is the same thing as channeling the mind of God? Your comment reminds me of the old adage, "You become what you hate!"

The only person who has ever had the "charism of infallibility" is the Lord Jesus Christ!

 

[Taken]

Mary the Queen of Heaven?​

No.

Mary like many others mentioned by name were Living humans Faithful to God and Bodily died Faithful to God, and their Saved Departed souls presently waiting in Heaven for the resurrection of their glorified bodies.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Pavel Mosko]

The only person who has ever had the "charism of infallibility" is the Lord Jesus Christ!

Exactly. Well maybe not, if were being picky. Being Truth Incarnate is not the same thing as exorcising a Charism.

 

[David1701]

Exactly. Well maybe not, if were being picky. Being Truth Incarnate is not the same thing as exorcising a Charism.

I hope you meant exercising a charism!

One could that Jesus' human nature had the grace-gift (charism) of infallibility, by virtue of him also having his divine nature; but, it's a minor point.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

I hope you meant exercising a charism!

One could that Jesus' human nature had the grace-gift (charism) of infallibility, by virtue of him also having his divine nature; but, it's a minor point.

lol I think you missed a lot of my point. 1) Namely quibbling over Roman Catholic doctrine, while Protestants can act almost exactly the same way via their own private belief in the will of God via reading this or that passage of the Bible. The former poster basically was dogmatizing his position without realizing it.


2) Yes, I think your previous statement is more or less right, but the quibble point is a Charism is something punctiliar, that does not run all the time. (something on or off like a light switch but mostly off).