Mary the Queen of Heaven?

[David1701]

lol I think you missed a lot of my point. 1) Namely quibbling over Roman Catholic doctrine, while Protestants can act almost exactly the same way via their own private belief in the will of God via reading this or that passage of the Bible. The former poster basically was dogmatizing his position without realizing it.


2) Yes, I think your previous statement is more or less right, but the quibble point is a Charism is something punctiliar, that does not run all the time. (something on or off like a light switch but mostly off).

Some R.C. doctrine is extremely heretical (e.g. several Marian doctrines); so, to oppose that is not a mere quibble.

Of course Christians can make mistakes in doctrine (and some are serious); however, that is not the same thing as codifying heresies , then commanding Christians to believe then, or be anathematised, as the R.C. system does.

A grace-gift is not necessarily punctiliar (yes, I do know what that means - my vocabulary is quite good, thanks), although it can be.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It's not a case of "running away", but of highlighting the issue that keeps you from having productive conversations with anyone.

I certainly am able, and willing, to respond to biblical and historical truth; but, not hysterical untruth. To be honest, your posts come across as unhinged rantings.

Look - I don't care if yuou don't want to respond. MY point here was to expose your lies to the point where you could no longer argue for your false position.

As evicenced by your last 3 dodges - I'd say, "Mission accomplished . . ."

 

[BreadOfLife]

buils?
Yes, shrines all over the world that are associated with miracles, that is a good thing.
And Marian altars in churches and Marian altars in homes, that is a good thing.'
How many more pictures of Marian altars with people kneeling in front of them with their hands folded in prayer do you want?
You need homework on how to be honest with people and yourself.

Understanding Marian Altars​

Marian altars are devotional altars dedicated to the Blessed Virgin Mary, used for prayer, veneration, and liturgical or domestic devotion.

What They Are​

A Marian altar is an altar specifically consecrated to Mary, the Mother of God, often featuring images, statues, or icons of her, and sometimes accompanied by saints associated with her. In Catholic tradition, these altars can be:

• Church altars: Such as the Marian Altar in the Shrine of St. Joseph in St. Louis, MO, which includes side altars for private daily Masses and devotional use
• Home altars: Smaller altars in private prayer spaces, often with Marian statues, icons, and altar cloths Etsy+1.
• Liturgical altars: Used in churches for special feasts or ongoing devotion to Mary

Historical and Religious Context​

Marian altars have deep roots in Catholic devotion. In churches, they were historically used for private Masses and devotional prayer by parishioners. They often feature symbolic elements:

• Top section: Angels (faith, Queen of Heaven and Earth) and saints like St. Cecilia and St. Agnes
• Center: The Blessed Virgin Mary with the Child Jesus
• Bottom section: Saints such as St. Justus of Beauvais

In the broader Catholic tradition, Marian altars are linked to Lady chapels—side chapels in cathedrals dedicated to Mary —and to devotional practices like the Rosary, Marian feasts, and acts of reparation

Examples and Sources​

• Shrine of St. Joseph, St. Louis, MO: Features a detailed Marian Altar with saints and symbolic imagery
• King Richards: Offers antique Marian side altars made of plaster or wood, often matching reredos and other altar pieces
• Etsy: Sells Marian altar cloths, lace trims, statues, and decorative items for home altars.

How to Use or Obtain One​

• In a church: Marian altars are often part of the church’s liturgical layout or devotional areas.
• At home: You can create a Marian altar with a statue or icon of Mary, an altar cloth, candles, and personal devotional items
• Purchase: Antique or new altars are available from religious suppliers, artisans, and online marketplaces

In short: Marian altars are a tangible expression of devotion to Mary, blending art, liturgy, and personal prayer, and they can be found in both sacred and domestic settings.

Altar Definition
1
: a usually raised structure or place on which SACRIFICES are offered or incense is burned in WORSHIP

2
a: a tablelike construction used in the Christian church in celebrating the Eucharist
b: a table or place which serves as a center of WORSHIP or ritual


Altar Etymology
altar
/ˈôltər/
The English word altar comes from the Latin noun altāre (plural altāria), meaning a high altar or a place for making burnt offerings.

- Worship
- Eucharist
- Sacrifices
- Burnt Offerings

NONE of these things apply to Mary - only GOD.

ONE more time:
An Altar is a place of SACRIFICE, BURNT OFFERINGS, WORSHIP, and where the EUCHARIST is celebrated.

A SHRINE, on the other hand, is a monument of veneration to a person.

There ends the Lesson . . .

 

[David1701]

Look - I don't care if yuou don't want to respond. MY point here was to expose your lies to the point where you could no longer argue for your false position.

As evicenced by your last 3 dodges - I'd say, "Mission accomplished . . ."

LOL!

 

[BreadOfLife]

well on the fact that even a heap of protestantville is big time polluted , YOU DO stand correct , though probably not for all
the reasons you THINK . cause the RCC is POLLUTED massively itself .
SO allow me some parting words . That might just at least be a helping start .
GET OUT OF ANYTHING ECuEMINCAL INCLUSIVE NOW . they lead you all to the peace of anti christ and NOT JESUS CHRIST .
that is a fact . one you probably cannot see . But it is a fact .
Even ya pope francis was not catholic . Though i do not support RCC .
And look at how fast his inclusive message infiltrated you realm and i think even more the protestant realm .
OF course politics keeps them all divided and distracted .
Because both sides now pump out the same inclusive anti christ wickedness unto their peoples . GET out
Get out now and do not look back . Do remember i did warn you . So you and the protestants
cannot blame me nor will i be held accountable for yalls blood on JESUS day .
I know that sounds quite rough and very grave . buT WE DO Not have the time left folks think we do .
YOU must get out , as must everyone else get out of such places NOW .

How I grow weary of your psychotic rants . . .
But, then, I realize that this is ALL you have.

It's better to have Christ.
MUCH more fulfilling . . .

 

[Grailhunter]

Altar Definition
1
: a usually raised structure or place on which SACRIFICES are offered or incense is burned in WORSHIP

2
a: a tablelike construction used in the Christian church in celebrating the Eucharist
b: a table or place which serves as a center of WORSHIP or ritual


Altar Etymology
altar
/ˈôltər/
The English word altar comes from the Latin noun altāre (plural altāria), meaning a high altar or a place for making burnt offerings.

- Worship
- Eucharist
- Sacrifices
- Burnt Offerings

NONE of these things apply to Mary - only GOD.

ONE more time:
An Altar is a place of SACRIFICE, BURNT OFFERINGS, WORSHIP, and where the EUCHARIST is celebrated.

A SHRINE, on the other hand, is a monument of veneration to a person.

There ends the Lesson . . .

 

[amigo de christo]

How I grow weary of your psychotic rants . . .
But, then, I realize that this is ALL you have.

It's better to have Christ.
MUCH more fulfilling . . .

so much better indeed to have THE CHRIST OF GOD
rather than this other ecumeincal incluisive jesus . that one cannot save .

 

[Brakelite]

++ "It is appointed unto men once to die..." Heb9:27

Yet in 1 Thess 4:16-17 the ALIVE in Christ are raptured without dying ?

Your thoughts ?

They spiritually died daily through surrender and submission to the will of God, just as Jesus died mentally and spiritually in the garden of Gethsemane.

 

[Taken]

Mary the Queen of Heaven?​

No.

Remember…
Veneration…
Bowing…
Statues / Idols
Worship…
Praying TO…
Praying FOR…

Routinely such things are discussed, debated, accepted, denied, rejected by Traditions of specific Christian Church Organizations.

Scripture itself Sets a Desire of what is Acceptable to God…

Lev 26:
[1] Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

* Prayer Only TO The Lord God.

* Prayer FOR saints (Converted), Believers, Enemies.

Some believe and do as Scripture teaches, Some do not.

Not mysterious.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[David1701]

++ "It is appointed unto men once to die..." Heb9:27

Yet in 1 Thess 4:16-17 the ALIVE in Christ are raptured without dying ?

Your thoughts ?

When the living believers in Jesus Christ are resurrected, at the return of the Lord, their physical bodies "die", to be replaced by their resurrected bodies.

 

[BreadOfLife]

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And yet again, you've failed to show an "Altar" to Mary . . .

Where is the Sacrifice ?

 

[BreadOfLife]

so much better indeed to have THE CHRIST OF GOD
rather than this other ecumeincal incluisive jesus . that one cannot save .

You have neither - because you preach neither . . .

 

[Grailhunter]

And yet again, you've failed to show an "Altar" to Mary . . .

Where is the Sacrifice ?

The altars to Yeshua do not have sacrifices either.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The altars to Yeshua do not have sacrifices either.

Spoken like a person who has NEVER attended a Catholic Mass.
The ULTIMATE sacrifice is offered on the Altar, which is Jesus in ithe Eucharist.

His eternal sacrifice is re-PRESENTED at each Mass. He is not re-SACRIFICED, contrary to what anti-Catholics believe. Thi is why it is referred to as "The Holy SACRIFICE of the Mass."

Rev. 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[amigo de christo]

Spoken like a person who has NEVER attended a Catholic Mass.
The ULTIMATE sacrifice is offered on the Altar, which is Jesus in ithe Eucharist.

His eternal sacrifice is re-PRESENTED at each Mass. He is not re-SACRIFICED, contrary to what anti-Catholics believe. Thi is why it is referred to as "The Holy SACRIFICE of the Mass."

Rev. 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

i will die before i follow the god of the rcc .
You all just gonna have to figure out what do to with all
who did not conform to the all inclusive ecuemincal chambers of a harlot and her all inclusive god
that many now call God . I REJECT IT WITH ALL MY HEART and all my soul and all my being .
Now what do you think about me . AM i a man of GOD and of Christ
or am i one that needs serious re education , perhaps in a camp or institution .
I honestly do want to know your answer . BUT I SHUN with all my heart ecumeincal inclusive intefaith .
And i will have no part with or in its merger for world peace .

 

[amigo de christo]

Spoken like a person who has NEVER attended a Catholic Mass.
The ULTIMATE sacrifice is offered on the Altar, which is Jesus in ithe Eucharist.

His eternal sacrifice is re-PRESENTED at each Mass. He is not re-SACRIFICED, contrary to what anti-Catholics believe. Thi is why it is referred to as "The Holy SACRIFICE of the Mass."

Rev. 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

this in red sounds more like a confession coming from your lips .
OH i must agree ALL that dwell upon the earth will worship him , whose names are not written in the book of life
of the LAMB slain from the foundation of the world .
The only thing is Ecuemenical incliusivsm and its intefaith has led them into
the worship of and is leading them into the worship of this beast .
Go on bread . And no sir i will NOT say OF LIFE .
SO just accept bread for now .
SO go on bread , in your heart , in your heart
what do you believe is the best possible solution for men like me
that refuse anything to do with anything or anyone tied into that ecumeincal inclusive camp .
What do you think is the next step for men like me .
Perhaps to be relocated to some reeducation , or if it sounds better to love camps that might
b e able to help us . I already know the solution that is coming
But i just wonder if you are alreading b eing led into accepting it or not .
So do you beleive men like me are religous extremists . at least answer that

 

[David1701]

Spoken like a person who has NEVER attended a Catholic Mass.
The ULTIMATE sacrifice is offered on the Altar, which is Jesus in ithe Eucharist.

His eternal sacrifice is re-PRESENTED at each Mass. He is not re-SACRIFICED, contrary to what anti-Catholics believe. Thi is why it is referred to as "The Holy SACRIFICE of the Mass."

Rev. 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The Bible teaches, and, therefore, Christians believe, that Christ's sacrifice was once and for all, on the cross. The so-called "unbloody sacrifice" of the Mass, is, consequently, blasphemous and idolatrous.

 

[Grailhunter]

Spoken like a person who has NEVER attended a Catholic Mass.
The ULTIMATE sacrifice is offered on the Altar, which is Jesus in ithe Eucharist.

His eternal sacrifice is re-PRESENTED at each Mass. He is not re-SACRIFICED, contrary to what anti-Catholics believe. Thi is why it is referred to as "The Holy SACRIFICE of the Mass."

Rev. 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Only probably 3,000 Catholic Mass in churches and cathedrals in the US and Europe.

 

[Fathom]

 

[Fathom]

Romans 13:1-2
"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."