MATTHEW 25:30 THE UNPROFITABLE SERVANT

[Fred J]

The body of Christ found in Paul's epistles will be in heavenly places.......only believing Israel will be priests in the kingdom on earth

Again i disagree strongly.

The body of Christ mentioned in Paul's epistle is the church on earthly places.

1 Corinthians 12:
12. For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond of free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
25. That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
27. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.


The body of Christ, the church, since the beginning consist of the remnant of Jews and Gentiles in 'equality' and 'oneness'.

From then on when their time on earth is up, they die or in other word, asleep, Jews or Gentiles alike await for the 'first resurrection'.

 

[Fred J]

...only believing Israel will be priests in the kingdom on earth

You're still in ancient Israel and Temple and under the Law and bound.

Acts 9:
15. But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

In all the epistles of Paul addressed to the Gentile nation churches, he prophesy all the promises of God 'equally' to the Gentiles and Jews now in one body of Christ.

There's no such divided testament that only the believing Israel will be priest in the kingdom of earth and in Heaven.

Again it's merely your usual 'spin' and 'twist' varying from the actual and truthful New Testament account.

Hope you get it or in vain am just talking to a brick wall.

 

[Jay Ross]

It should be understood that the basic problem in understanding the Parables of the Talents and the Minas can be found in who we believe is the man who goes away for a time to receive a kingdom?

My understanding is that the man who goes away for 1,000 years is Satan, whereas many "Christians" believe that this man is Jesus.

When we introduce an error in our understanding of the parables, then where we end up is not what we would hope for, becoming the servant of the wrong person/entity.

But that is the "sacred tradition" that many follow.

 

[Fred J]

It should be understood that the basic problem in understanding the Parables of the Talents and the Minas can be found in who we believe is the man who goes away for a time to receive a kingdom?

My understanding is that the man who goes away for 1,000 years is Satan, whereas many "Christians" believe that this man is Jesus.

When we introduce an error in our understanding of the parables, then where we end up is not what we would hope for, becoming the servant of the wrong person/entity.

But that is the "sacred tradition" that many follow.

So you mean to testify that before leaving satan gave talents to his servants?

Then after 1,000 years he return to have them give an account of their labor?

And he orders for the unprofitable servant to be cast into outer darkness?

Is the Kingdom of Heaven the kingdom of satan?

How do you study the parable?

 

[Jay Ross]

So you mean to testify that before leaving Satan gave talents to his servants?

Yes

Then after 1,000 years he return to have them give an account of their labor?

Yes

And he orders for the unprofitable servant to be cast into outer darkness?

Yes

Is the Kingdom of Heaven the kingdom of Satan?

No

How do you study the parable?

Slowly and with much reading of the scriptures.

 

[Fred J]

Yes

Yes

Yes

No

Slowly and with much reading of the scriptures.

Best you change your glasses or get one from the Kingdom of GOD, and not kingdom of satan.

Matthew 25:
14. For the Kingdom of Heaven is as ..................................................

Ask youself, how can satan fit in the parable about the Kingdom of Heaven is as?

 

[Jay Ross]

Best you change your glasses or get one from the Kingdom of GOD, and not kingdom of satan.

Matthew 25:
14. For the Kingdom of Heaven is as ..................................................

Ask youself, how can satan fit in the parable about the Kingdom of Heaven is as?

Actually, Jesus was describing just one aspect of God's everlasting Kingdom, that will be established in around 20 years from now, where Satan's Good and faithful servants will apply the money, they are given by Satan, to impede God's Everlasting Kingdom to progress.

You can choose how you want to understand both parables, but to make fun of me is a poor false argument to use to prove your rebuttal.

 

[Doug]

Sorry, am not a follower of Paul alone, but of Christ and the Gospel according to the Apostles.

Romans 5:
3. Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death?
4. Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the Glory of the FATHER, even so we also should walk in the newness of life.

[1Co 12:13 KJV] 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Paul describes being baptized by the Spirit not water

[Mar 1:4 KJV] 4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
[Act 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

water baptism was for Israel for the remission of sins

 

[Doug]

The first resurrection is indeed the coming 'rapture' of the dead and the living in Christ, during the reign of anti-Christ.

The rapture is only for the body of Christ but is not the first resurrection..........the first resurrection is at the end of the tribulation

 

[Doug]

Again i disagree strongly.

The body of Christ mentioned in Paul's epistle is the church on earthly places.

1 Corinthians 12:
12. For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond of free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
25. That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
27. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.


The body of Christ, the church, since the beginning consist of the remnant of Jews and Gentiles in 'equality' and 'oneness'.

From then on when their time on earth is up, they die or in other word, asleep, Jews or Gentiles alike await for the 'first resurrection'.

[Eph 1:3 KJV] 3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
[Eph 2:6 KJV] 6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
[2Ti 4:18 KJV] 18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve [me] unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Fred J]

Actually, Jesus was describing just one aspect of God's everlasting Kingdom, that will be established in around 20 years from now, where Satan's Good and faithful servants will apply the money, they are given by Satan, to impede God's Everlasting Kingdom to progress.

This is completely false.

It is not satan's, but verily Jesus' fruitful and unfruitful servants, where by the Holy Ghost they were given talents according to their abilities.

Talents to serve the Kingdom of GOD on earth, serve in the church or serve in the world, and invest, even financially, in the matters of the church.

The talent, amount and time invested by a servant is the amount one shall reap in return, knowing a fruitful servant.

But an unfruitful servant buried the talent, invested one's amount and time in the matters of the world and it's necessities.

Now Lord Jesus Christ the man has travelled into a far country that is Heaven, and coming back to ask an account from all His servants. (Hebrews 1:3/Matthew 25:30-46)

You can choose how you want to understand both parables, but to make fun of me is a poor false argument to use to prove your rebuttal.

There's no choosing in how i want to understand, unlike you misinterpret and misdirect another in the wrong direction.

There's only one truth and one path which we all should head on together in that direction.

Apparently you've made fun of yourself witnessing falsely the parable as referring to satan's kingdom.

The concern is of those babes in Christ reading, where another should not mislead them astray.

To whom this may concern, please don't take our words into account but also rather do a thorough Bible study on it.

Thank you

 

[Jay Ross]

It is not Satan's, but verily Jesus' fruitful and unfruitful servants, whereby the Holy Ghost they were given talents according to their abilities.

Yes, and the talents were a determined monetary value depending on whether it was a Talent of Gold, Silver or Bronze which was called a Talent and yes, the number of talents they were given was based on their ability to trade with the monetary value of their respective talents to make a profit from their trades to benefit themselves and Satan. The So Called Wicked Servant was the only one who deal with his received talent in accordance with the Law. He did not trade with the Talent he received to harm the people who lived around him.

Sadly, you have spiritualised these two parables such that you can only see Jesus is the man who goes away.

The entity man in both parables will be going away in around 20 years' time from now. Jesus ascended on the clouds around 2,000 years ago to go to His Father, but He will not receive a dominion over all the peoples of the earth such that they should worship/serve Him until the two ages of the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and the children's children during the third and the fourth age has come to its completion.

We know from scripture that when Satan goes away for a period of time that he will be imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years which is what Rev 20 tells us.

Now I have not twisted scriptures to conform with what I believe, rather I have conformed to what the scriptures clearly informs us as to what will happen after the time that God will establish His Everlasting Kingdom on the earth during the time of those king in Daniel 2.

Goodbye

 

[Fred J]

Yes, and the talents were a determined monetary value depending on whether it was a Talent of Gold, Silver or Bronze which was called a Talent and yes, the number of talents they were given was based on their ability to trade with the monetary value of their respective talents to make a profit from their trades to benefit themselves and Satan. The So Called Wicked Servant was the only one who deal with his received talent in accordance with the Law. He did not trade with the Talent he received to harm the people who lived around him.

Sadly, you have spiritualised these two parables such that you can only see Jesus is the man who goes away.

The entity man in both parables will be going away in around 20 years' time from now. Jesus ascended on the clouds around 2,000 years ago to go to His Father, but He will not receive a dominion over all the peoples of the earth such that they should worship/serve Him until the two ages of the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and the children's children during the third and the fourth age..

We know from scripture that when Satan goes away for a period of time that he will be imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years which is what Rev 20 tells us.

Now I have not twisted scriptures to conform with what I believe, rather I have conformed to what the scriptures clearly informs us as to what will happen after the time that God will establish His Everlasting Kingdom on the earth during the time of those king in Daniel 2.

Goodbye

Readers, beware of heresy of the 'imposters' and counterfeits.

Jesus was plainly teaching His disciples and us church about to what the Kingdom of GOD in Heaven is like.

As He explains them by using parables relating to our worldly way of perspective.

Heretics claim the parable about a man travelling afar, gave his servants talents, is satan and his servants, don't believe it.

Thank you

 

[Jay Ross]

Readers, beware of heresy of the 'imposters' and counterfeits.

Yes, and the imposters point their finger away from themselves implying that others, and not themselves, are the imposter with respect to God's recorded scriptures and His relationship with them.

Oh well, such is life.

 

[Fred J]

Yes, and the imposters point their finger away from themselves implying that others, and not themselves, are the imposter with respect to God's recorded scriptures and His relationship with them.

Oh well, such is life.

You sound like the people who told even Jesus, that He cast out demons using the power of the chief demon.

On another account, they even said Jesus have a demon in Him.

Such are as well 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' among us today.

Jesus clearly said this, "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."

 

[Jay Ross]

You sound like the people who told even Jesus, that He cast out demons using the power of the chief demon.

On another account, they even said Jesus have a demon in Him.

Such are as well 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' among us today.

Jesus clearly said this, "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."

Fred, while ever you use false claims and false arguments to sure up your POV, your standing on this forum will fall.

Goodbye

 

[Fred J]

Fred, while ever you use false claims and false arguments to sure up your POV, your standing on this forum will fall.

Goodbye

You fail to think that my standing on this forum will fall also for witnessing the truth.

Jesus clearly said, that if am not welcomed in a house, dust my feet as a warning to them and move to another.

And also He said, Blessed are they who are persecuted for righteousness sake.

Together He said, People will mistreat you, insult you and tell all kind of evil lies about you. Be cheer of heart, for they did the very same things to the Prophets of the Old.

Am merely an unworthy servant just doing my duty, and anyone can do anything to me.

It's no surprise, there's Pharisees and Sadducees religious hypocrites in Christianity too.

 

[Jay Ross]

You fail to think that my standing on this forum will fall also for witnessing the truth.

Jesus clearly said, that if am not welcomed in a house, dust my feet as a warning to them and move to another.

And also He said, Blessed are they who are persecuted for righteousness sake.

Together He said, People will mistreat you, insult you and tell all kind of evil lies about you. Be cheer of heart, for they did the very same things to the Prophets of the Old.

Am merely an unworthy servant just doing my duty, and anyone can do anything to me.

It's no surprise, there's Pharisees and Sadducees religious hypocrites in Christianity too.

Fred, I could not have said it better myself. Thank you for telling the above as a guide to identify Pharisees. Sadducees and religious hypocrites within the body of Christianity.

Goodbye