MORE PROOF OF THE PRETRIB RAPTURE

[rebuilder 454]

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Why do you think they are upset and going personal attack?????
The thread INVITED their "superior" views.
They could not make a legitimate case for a postrib rapture.
IOW, their view is not biblical.
That is why they are frustrated.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Matt 25 does not actually refer to the Rapture as the marriage supper doesnt happen till the end of the 7 year Tribulation

The rapture is the groom gathering the bride.
Who would of thought that a parable about the groom gathering the bride, would point to a groom gathering a bride?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Do humans ever go to heaven?

The belief and teaching that all humans have natural immortality via an immortal soul can be traced back thousands of years. We can see from history that nations like Egypt and Babylon taught their people about an immortal soul in every human, that continued to live, to think and to experience life, after the body had died. Depending on the nation and on their spiritual theology they had, would come various teachings about where and under what conditions this immortal soul would experience after the death of the physical body. Some nations would bury the dead body in graves with all kinds of things for the departed to take with them and to use to enjoy in the afterlife.

Different nations may have had different places where the departed soul would live when it left the dead body, but to put it in simple language, the immortal soul was in a "heaven" of some sort. They even had gloomy underworlds for those not thought to have done enough good in their physical lives to warrant the prize of "heaven."

All this should start to sound somewhat familiar with certain teaching and beliefs of many Christian churches and organizations. Many have heard the "hell-fire and brimstone" sermons preached loud and vigorously by a Christian minister or Camp-meeting tent revivalist. Such preaching of course includes telling you that if you "give your heart to the Lord" and turn from sin, you can "go to heaven" and live in bliss, doing...well they are not sure, maybe singing and strumming on a harp?

Just about all Christians today believe they shall "get to heaven" one day. They firmly believe that going to heaven is one of the basic rewards of being Christian. To think, and to teach otherwise, to them, is pretty close to being a nutty and strange heretic. They are convinced the Bible shows and tells us that going to heaven is the automatic reward of the children of God. And most believe that going to heaven takes place when the physical body stops breathing and dies. Yet this common and prevailing theological view was not the common view or teaching of the early New Testament Church of God.

The early NT church did not teach or believe in going to heaven at death, for those faithful Christians. Church history shows that it was only through the teachings of people like Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and others that most professing Christians gradually came to adopt the belief of the immortal soul, and going immediately "somewhere" after the death of the body. Many were coming into the popular church of the Roman Empire, founded in Rome, who already held to Hellenistic philosophy, Egyptian mythology, and Babylonian Mystery religions, with an after death life of some sort as the foundation of it all. They did not want to give up this teaching and belief, just as they did not want to abandon many other false teachings and practices. So, to accommodate them the large popular church took many of these old pagan beliefs and re-clothed them with Christian garments. Hence, as the millenniums came and went today's doctrines of the immortal soul as taught together with an ever burning hell fire for the wicked, a purgatory for those who may not have sinned unto eternal torment, and can possibly yet be granted heaven and a heaven where God is, for the righteous. All this came to be church doctrines.

Most Christians believe they will at some point "get to heaven" where God is dwelling. Some do not believe you go to heaven at death, but that death is a sleep until the resurrection, then when Jesus returns to raise the righteous dead, all go back with Him to heaven for a thousand years, until the new earth comes into being. Others believe that Christ returns to "rapture" His Church away from the terrible tribulation then taking place on the earth, and that they spent either 7 years or 3 1/2 years in heaven, before returning again with Christ to set up the Kingdom of God on earth for a thousand years.

Whatever the various beliefs of certain religious sects and denominations is on this matter, just about all of them teach and believe that the good Christian will someday, for some period of time "go to heaven" where the Father lives and dwells in the heavenly Jerusalem.


IF WE SHALL GO TO HEAVEN ONE DAY....

And if this is a fundamental plain teaching of the Bible, then surely we should be able to find many verses all over the Bible saying things such as: "When we get to heaven," "When we see each other in heaven," "They are up there in heaven with God," "We shall go to heaven at Christ's return," "We shall be in heaven where God is one day." BUT VERSES LIKE THIS CANNOT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE!

BUT, what we do read in the Bible is the Words of Jesus: No man goes to heaven, except the One who came from there. John 3:13 Where I go, you cannot come. John 7:34 Your home is in this world, Mine is not. John 8:23 I do not pray, Father, that You take them out of this world.... John 17:15

So the truth is, the idea of a 'rapture to heaven', is a straight out Satanic lie; one of his most successful ones, that will cause many unprepared Christians to fall on the Day of trial. 1 Peter 4:12, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

Most Christians think that heaven is our destination and preachers tout it from the pulpit. Why then didn't the people of the Bible use such language? Could it be that they knew that going off to heaven where God the Father now dwells was NEVER promised to any earthy mortal person?

The word "heaven" is used 570 times in the Bible. "Heavenly" appears 23 times and "heavens" is used 121 times. Surely, somewhere, in all those uses we can find a statement: "When we are in heaven" or "We are going to go to heaven" or maybe "He has gone to God in heaven." If you take a Bible concordance you can find all the verses where "heaven," "heavenly," and heavens" are used throughout the Bible. Look them up! See if you can find a verse that says, "We shall go to heaven," "Heaven is our eternal abode," "They are up in heaven" or any plain statement about Christians or children of God going to be with God in heaven for ANY length of time. You have over 500 places where "heaven" is used. Try to find any verse that tells us clearly we shall someday, sometime, go to live where God the Father dwells.

There are THREE heavens mentioned in the Bible. 1) The heaven [atmosphere] where the birds fly. 2) the heaven [space] where the planets and stars are. 3) The heaven [spiritual] where God's throne is, where God is now.
I knew a man in Christ.... caught up to the THIRD heaven....He was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words....2 Cor. 12:2-4 The third heaven is where God dwells!

KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ?

Some will say, "Well Christ talked about our being in the Kingdom of heaven. Surely that proves we shall 'go to heaven'. If it does, then some shall be in heaven while others are not. Matthew 5:3-5. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven....blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. The Kingdom OF heaven is the Kingdom that BELONGS to heaven. It is owned and operated by heaven. the Kingdom that BELONGS to God, not the Kingdom inside God. The Gospels according to Mark and Luke use "Kingdom OF God"

OUR REWARD IS IN HEAVEN

Is not our reward to go to heaven? Are there not some verses that say something to that effect? Here they are: Rejoice, and be exceeding glad; for great is your reward in heaven.... Matthew 5:12 Do not display your religion before others, if you do you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. Matthew 6:1 But lay up for yourselves treasure in heaven.....Luke 6:23 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled…reserved in heaven for you. 1 Peter 1:4

Now, let's be honest. Do the above verses say: "Our reward is to get to heaven" or "When we get to heaven we shall be given our reward." Do these verses say: "Our reserved inheritance is to get to heaven to be with God" ? No, they do not! Truly, Christians will receive rewards and we are to inherit eternal life, but when? Eternal life comes at the resurrection. Read 1 Cor.15; Rev.2:10; 2 Tim.4:8 Our rewards are to be given to us by Christ at His return. And, behold, I come quickly, and MY REWARD IS WITH ME, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev. 22:12 Our rewards and inheritance are reserved in heaven. They come down out of heaven with Christ at his return.

Total poppycock.
The rich man and Lazarus blow that entire deal away.
Revelation has people in heaven.
Jesus said he was going to heaven..."so that where I am you may be also"

 

[rebuilder 454]

More proof? You have got to be kidding! You have yet to bring evidence to the table. I think you think if you keep repeating this that it will somehow become true. It will not. It does not add up. It does not make sense. Your beliefs have been utterly refuted on this forum and you have ducked around the responses. You have to. That is because Pretrib does not add up. It has no biblical support. You know it. That is why you avoid the obvious.

Jesus said in Matthew 25:1-13: “Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried (the intra-Advent period), they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom; ‘go ye out’ [Gr. exerchomai] to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came [Gr. erchomai]; and they that were ready ‘went in’ [Gr. eiserchomai] with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.”

Most end-time commentators correctly relate this passage to the coming of Christ. Whilst we cannot find any mention of phrases like “caught up” or “gathering together” in this text there is broad agreement that there is a definite reference to the catching away or rescue of the saints in the direction “go ye out” and the resulting action – they “went in.”

The command “go ye out”is simply one Greek word exerchomai meaning depart, escape, or get out, go. The phrase describing the response of the faithful “went in” is the single Greek word eiserchomai normally translated in the New Testament as to ‘come in’ or ‘to enter’. It can also be interpreted ‘to arise’. In keeping with many second coming passages there is an allusion to those who escape the judgment of God as being those who made themselves “ready.” This is a common theme found in regard to the catching away. It certainly correlates with the consistent portrayal of this impending climactic event. This passage is basically a call for preparedness for Christ’s coming.

The parable of the virgins actually agrees totally with the climactic nature of the coming of Christ. Men are either caught up or caught on. Being ready means rescue, being locked outside means destruction. Interpreting Scripture with Scripture would assist you here. As in Noah’s day, “the door was shut” – the day of opportunity was final closed – and those left outside were totally destroyed.

The solemn side of this parable is the awful plight of the five foolish virgins who had no oil in their lamps. Like the wicked that were left in Noah’s day, the religious will cry when it is too late: “Lord, Lord, open to us.” The only problem is it is too late. The solemn cry will come from the Master, “Verily I say unto you, I know you not” (vv 11-12). This is exactly what Jesus says to the wicked at the final judgment. He isn't saying: ‘welcome to a 7 year tribulation period’ or ‘welcome to the Premil millennium for another chance’. Sadly, they are damned and doomed for all eternity.

The bible;
"10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut"

You;
"The word "gather" is not there.
So they were not gathered."

Only in your special world, would that silliness have an ounce of traction.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Still waiting on some biblical proof of a postrib rapture.
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[rebuilder 454]

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[ChristinaL]

The rapture is the groom gathering the bride.
Who would of thought that a parable about the groom gathering the bride, would point to a groom gathering a bride?

Yes but The wedding feast only takes place after the Tribulation. There can be no wedding feast when some of our brothers and sisters are still suffering. The Bride and the friends of the groom must be brought together

 

[WPM]

Still waiting on some biblical proof of a postrib rapture.
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We continually give it, and you continually avoid it. That is your MO. You have to! Ignoring the biblical evidence does not prove Pretrib. It exposes it.

Jesus said in Luke 17:24-34: “For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.”

We note three particular characteristics of this day, which will be repeated at the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. (1) The wicked lived as if there was no judgement coming, verse 38 says, “they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage.” (2) The wicked were caught unexpected, verse 39 says, they “knew not until the flood came.” And finally, (3) the wicked were ALL destroyed, verse 39 says, “the flood came, and took them all away.”

The days before the coming of Christ will see the wicked at ease living in pleasure, sin and carelessness, with no thought of eternity. The everyday occurrences of life (like eating, drinking and marriage) will continue as normal right up until Jesus comes. Christ's coming is going to catch the wicked unexpectedly. His arrival will surprise only those who are not prepared for it. The wrath of God is sudden and totally destructive. No one survives as this passage tells us.

I Thessalonians 5:2-7 the enormity of this climactic event: “the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.”

The peace and safety occurs just before Jesus comes at His one final future coming. Any way, if the day of the Lord in 1 Thessalonians 5:3 relates to a third coming of Christ, as some Pretribbers argue, and if they relate this to the event of Revelation 19, which they say is the end of a great 7 years tribulation, how can the wicked be crying “peace and safety”? Surely, according to Pretrib, this is a period of the wrath of God being poured out on all those left behind according to Pretrib theology?

We can see then: normal life continues on right up until Christ comes. They are eating, drinking and marrying as usual, they are claiming "peace and safety," then utter destruction strikes them unexpectedly. As in the time of the flood, all the unbelievers are destroyed.

There is no space for your tribulation period and a 2nd rapture and a 3rd coming. There is no space for some future millennium. All those that are left behind are destroyed. All the wicked are dead. All the mortals are dead. All the saints are glorified and the earth is glorified. We're now into the eternal state.

 

[ChristinaL]

I never believed it referred to the marriage feast.
It refers to the gathering of the bride.
It says in Matthew 25 at the bride and the groom go into a room that has a door and that door is shut. That is the exact same pattern of the Jewish wedding. The groom would fetch his bride sometimes it was around midnight and he would take her to a room that he built on to his father's house, and in that room they would consummate the marriage.
There are no postrib rapture verses.
Maybe post one ?
I have never seen one.
In Rev 19 the bride is now called the wife.
The feast is in heaven.
Jesus said I will not drink of the fruit of the vine again until I drink it with you a new, in my father's Kingdom. Jesus made it clear that he was going to heaven and that he would build mansions for his people his bride. There is zero evidence of any marriage supper on Earth. Post-tribbers need a lot of things changed in the word of God.

I believe in pre trib Rapture, friend. Not post

 

[Keraz]

Total poppycock.
The rich man and Lazarus blow that entire deal away.
Revelation has people in heaven.
Jesus said he was going to heaven..."so that where I am you may be also"

Total truth; NO ONE goes to heaven...... John 3:13

If the homily of the rich man and Lazarus is the best proof you have of people in heaven, then your beliefs are in fairy tales.

WHERE does Revelation, or any other Bible verse; say that a group of people will go to live in heaven. More than two; Rev 11:12 and those two Witnesses do not actually go to live in heaven, as Jesus has just Returned and they go with Him to Jerusalem.
I demand that you provide a verse, or that you cease your arrogant rubbish.

Jesus was referring to AFTER He Returns, His faithful people will be gathered to Him. Matthew 24:31

 

[ChristinaL]

Total truth; NO ONE goes to heaven...... John 3:13

If the homily of the rich man and Lazarus is the best proof you have of people in heaven, then your beliefs are in fairy tales.

WHERE does Revelation, or any other Bible verse; say that a group of people will go to live in heaven. More than two; Rev 11:12 and those two Witnesses do not actually go to live in heaven, as Jesus has just Returned and they go with Him to Jerusalem.
I demand that you provide a verse, or that you cease your arrogant rubbish.

Jesus was referring to AFTER He Returns, His faithful people will be gathered to Him. Matthew 24:31

John 3:13 does not say no man goes to heaven. with the exeption of Elijah and Enoch no man up till Jesus' day had gone to heaven but to Sheol/Paradise because Jesus hadnt died yet. Only after Jesus rose again was Paradise cleared out. Paradise is now EMPTY and people go to Jesus' heavenly mansions (John 14:2) and Revelation 6:9 and elsewhere. Rev 11 says the two witnesses go to heaven and stay there for 3-1/2 years joining Jesus when He comes down at the end of seven years.

The Rapture, which happens BEFORE the Tribulation is where all saved believers go to heaven to be kept safe for 7 years

 

[David in NJ]

Still waiting on some biblical proof of a postrib rapture.
Waiting
Waiting
Waiting

Well, you will be waiting until you stand before the LORD JESUS CHRIST and HE rmakes you read Matthew chapter 24

the BIG DIFFERENCE will be that you cannot hide behind the fig leaves and the nakedness of the LIE of pre-trib rapture will cause your eyebrows to singe as the LIE is Torched by His Eyes.

Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire;

 

[David in NJ]

John 3:13 does not say no man goes to heaven. with the exeption of Elijah and Enoch no man up till Jesus' day had gone to heaven but to Sheol/Paradise because Jesus hadnt died yet. Only after Jesus rose again was Paradise cleared out. Paradise is now EMPTY and people go to Jesus' heavenly mansions (John 14:2) and Revelation 6:9 and elsewhere. Rev 11 says the two witnesses go to heaven and stay there for 3-1/2 years joining Jesus when He comes down at the end of seven years.

The Rapture, which happens BEFORE the Tribulation is where all saved believers go to heaven to be kept safe for 7 years

The Rapture, which happens BEFORE the Tribulation

Not a single word, declaration or prophecy from God in His Holy Scriptures that says: pre-trib rapture

13But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[doctrox]

17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Gotta luv "the simplicity that is in Christ" (2 Cor. 11:3).

Looking closer at that awesome passage:

Believers don’t do the hackneyed “go to heaven” thing; rather, Christ sets up his kingdom here, with us. We, being "caught up" with others, meet the Lord in the air and then return back to earth with him.

For example, if your friends fly in from another country to visit you, you might travel to your local airport to meet them when their plane lands and then escort them back to your place. If they’re VIP friends, you might have a delegation meet them at your country's main airport, and then escort them back to your place. In either case, you don’t go to your airport, meet your friends, get on your friend’s plane, and then travel back with your friends to their place of origin!

So, do we have a scriptural witness to this scenario? Yes.

...we came the next day to Puteoli: Where we found brethren, and were desired to tarry with them seven days: and so we went toward Rome. And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage. And when we came to Rome... -- Acts 28:13-16

The brothers in Rome got word of their impending visitors, and so went out to meet them at Appii forum, and then escorted them back to Rome.

meet = same word in both Acts 28 and 1 Thes. 4.

Here are all four usages of the word meet:

Mat. 25:1 - Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Mat. 25:6 - And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Acts 28:15 - And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage.

1 Thes. 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

All four are consistent with “meet and greet and return to base.“

 

[Keraz]

John 3:13 does not say no man goes to heaven. with the exeption of Elijah and Enoch no man up till Jesus' day had gone to heaven but to Sheol/Paradise because Jesus hadnt died yet. Only after Jesus rose again was Paradise cleared out. Paradise is now EMPTY and people go to Jesus' heavenly mansions (John 14:2) and Revelation 6:9 and elsewhere. Rev 11 says the two witnesses go to heaven and stay there for 3-1/2 years joining Jesus when He comes down at the end of seven years.

The Rapture, which happens BEFORE the Tribulation is where all saved believers go to heaven to be kept safe for 7 years

I feel sorry for you, having been taught such rubbishy lies.
The Bible never says that Enoch or Elijah actually live, or did live in heaven. Otherwise; John 3:13 is untrue.

Paradise is a Roman Church false doctrine. Eccl 9:5 tells us the dead know nothing. There can be no consciousness until the Judgment.

Revelation 11 says the two Witnesses preach in Jerusalem for the 1260 days before Jesus Returns. Then He raises them, along with all the GT martyrs and they will be His priests and co-rulers. Revelation 20:6b

 

[David in NJ]

Gotta luv "the simplicity that is in Christ" (2 Cor. 11:3).

Looking closer at that awesome passage:

Believers don’t do the hackneyed “go to heaven” thing; rather, Christ sets up his kingdom here, with us. We, being "caught up" with others, meet the Lord in the air and then return back to earth with him.

For example, if your friends fly in from another country to visit you, you might travel to your local airport to meet them when their plane lands and then escort them back to your place. If they’re VIP friends, you might have a delegation meet them at your country's main airport, and then escort them back to your place. In either case, you don’t go to your airport, meet your friends, get on your friend’s plane, and then travel back with your friends to their place of origin!

So, do we have a scriptural witness to this scenario? Yes.

...we came the next day to Puteoli: Where we found brethren, and were desired to tarry with them seven days: and so we went toward Rome. And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage. And when we came to Rome... -- Acts 28:13-16

The brothers in Rome got word of their impending visitors, and so went out to meet them at Appii forum, and then escorted them back to Rome.

meet = same word in both Acts 28 and 1 Thes. 4.

Here are all four usages of the word meet:

Mat. 25:1 - Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Mat. 25:6 - And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Acts 28:15 - And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage.

1 Thes. 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

All four are consistent with “meet and greet and return to base.“

Gotta luv "the simplicity that is in Christ" (2 Cor. 11:3).
Looking closer at that awesome passage:
Believers don’t do the hackneyed “go to heaven” thing; rather, Christ sets up his kingdom here, with us. We, being "caught up" with others, meet the Lord in the air and then return back to earth with him.

Thank You
It was imperative to ENLARGE that TRUTH which sets His Children FREE

If they could just GRASP this and let it SING within their hearts and minds = FREEDOM from man-made doctrines that divide

 

[rebuilder 454]

Well, you will be waiting until you stand before the LORD JESUS CHRIST and HE rmakes you read Matthew chapter 24

the BIG DIFFERENCE will be that you cannot hide behind the fig leaves and the nakedness of the LIE of pre-trib rapture will cause your eyebrows to singe as the LIE is Torched by His Eyes.

Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire;

So, from this editorial, we can conclude, that the postrib rapture, without any scriptural basis, as you just enlightened us, is a LIE.
What else is new?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes but The wedding feast only takes place after the Tribulation. There can be no wedding feast when some of our brothers and sisters are still suffering. The Bride and the friends of the groom must be brought together

Ok, the gt is "Jacob's trouble", (Israel's trouble)
Jesus said Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles is complete. In Romans chapter 9 chapter 10 and chapter 11 we see how God plans on dealing with his Covenant people , the Jewish people. God's plan is to graft them back in. The Great Tribulation is the plow that works upon the Jewish people, to prepare them for the Gathering of Revelation 14, which is during the tribulation. In Revelation 14 verse 14 we see Jesus sitting on a cloud , with a sickle, and an angel tells him to gather the Harvest of the Earth. We know for a fact this is the Jewish people. Why do we know that? We know that because the 144,000 Jews that are in heaven in Revelation 14 versus 1 and 2 are called first fruits. First fruits always proceeds Harvest, every single time. Anytime you see first fruits it is directly connected to harvest. The 144,000 Jews, ethnic Jews, are in fact first fruit Jewish Harvest. So in verse 14 that Harvest is 100% Jewish Harvest. The marriage supper is in heaven as Jesus foretold. There's no evidence whatsoever that the marriage supper is after the tribulation and , on the Earth. Not a single shred of evidence to support that. But I do understand why somebody concocted that idea, it's out of necessity. It supports Doctrine , it's a made-up concept to support a Doctrine

 

[David in NJ]

So, from this editorial, we can conclude, that the postrib rapture, without any scriptural basis, as you just enlightened us, is a LIE.
What else is new?

Good Morning = WAKE UP to TRUTH

You have forgotten that ignorance of the written words of CHRIST keeps you in the dark.

You and your colleagues are true graduates of the 'school of willful ignorance' with and additional degree in man-centered worship.

The fear of man brings a snare,
But whoever trusts in the Lord shall be safe.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Good Morning = WAKE UP to TRUTH

You have forgotten that ignorance of the written words of CHRIST keeps you in the dark.

You and your colleagues are true graduates of the 'school of willful ignorance' with and additional degree in man-centered worship.

The fear of man brings a snare,
But whoever trusts in the Lord shall be safe.

This is why I started this thread. It was to prove to everyone on the board that you do not have a scriptural basis for your Doctrine. The post that you just made proves it. You have nothing. You have zero. You literally made the whole thing up. That is why you go personal on every single post you make. You have run out of gas. You are totally dead in the water.